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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
The fact that you've resorted to slinging mud, character assassinations proves without a shadow of doubt that you have been defeated and continue to lose.
Don't that just hurt to be proven wrong each and every single time?
I would've loved to have you at the other end of my negotiation table because I would've eaten you for lunch and would've had you leaving dumbfounded and speechless!edit on 13-12-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
More mud slinging and character assassinations. Is there anything else to your programming other then those 2?
Waaa, Waaaa, Waaaa, go cry because this little kid game approach is ineffective. Throwing a temper tantrum because he can't get his way! The sad and sickening truth is that you've probably got 20 - 25 years on me.edit on 13-12-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)
You don't get to define wealth for others, period.
Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by macman
You don't get to define wealth for others, period.
Well isn't that a brilliant argument. Just state something as though it were divine law; no need to use reason or logic.
Keep clinging to your straw man. I never did say all rich people got their money through exploitation.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by macman
Yeah but the IRS gets to define what you should pay and guess what, if you are wealthy enough you will pay less than someone who is middle class. That is fair right? When warren buffet says he pays less than his secretary then you should understand "houston, we have a problem"
Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by macman
What straw man? Read my post - You assumed that I said all rich people got their money through exploitation.
I get to question how their wealth is earned because their wealth is generally is some way derived from the collective efforts of the society of which I also happen to be a member. People do not create their wealth in isolation.
Between the two of us, I'm the only one actually offering reasons to support my statements. You, on the other hand, just make statements without anything to back it up.
Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by macman
Not envy, just trying to builder a more just society.
Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by macman
Within capitalist mode of production, not everybody has equal opportunity, mobility or freedom.
Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by macman
You want me to leave an employer who exploits me to work for another who... will do mostly the same. Working for myself? Perhaps - but it would have to remain a very small business and I would question myself the moment I started exploiting others for my gain.
Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by macman
Sure, I don't agree with your answers nor do you with mine. However, you have used the previous 2-3 posts to simply assert that I cannot "define wealth for others" without giving any reasons to support that statement. That's what I meant.
That will never happen. Everyone can be deemed equal in the eyes of the Law, but everyone will have different outcomes. Those outcomes are not the fault of anyone else except the person.
Yes they do, come now. Equality does not equal outcome.
So don't work. In fact, many people don't work. They get a check from the Govt twice a month. Still your choice. Sounds like you have not found the place to work for yet.
Originally posted by masterp
The real problem of America is not Obama, it is not the big government, it is not spending, it is not corporations, it is not lobbying, it is not even banks.
The real problem of America is GLOBALISATION.
To cut the long story sort, USA has all these problems because American products are no longer made by American hands.
There is a huge wealth leak from America to the outside world, as we speak.
Money does not flow to American families. That is the real issue.
Originally posted by lrak2
reply to post by macman
That will never happen. Everyone can be deemed equal in the eyes of the Law, but everyone will have different outcomes. Those outcomes are not the fault of anyone else except the person.
Outcomes in this society are rarely from hard work but rather luck, class, or socio-economic factors.
The outcomes we see today are the result of an unjust economic system.
Yes they do, come now. Equality does not equal outcome.
No, that is a libertarian myth. Economic and social circumstances vary considerably; people do not have equal opportunities.
So don't work. In fact, many people don't work. They get a check from the Govt twice a month. Still your choice. Sounds like you have not found the place to work for yet.
Sure, there may be some who live solely on welfare but they are a minority.
Do you really have to bash welfare recipients? You don't think they suffer enough?
Perhaps you want to leave them to the mercy of private charities?