What Will Happen In Winter When Snow Is All Over But OWS Caused City Costs to Soar?

maybe the snow will wipe away the smell of fecal matter, urine and socialism?

The cost of snow removal in nyc last winter was 29 million$
Source nyt


The treasury paid more than 200 billions on bailouts to financial crooks.

do the math !

and do not blame it on OWS.

Filthy Low Life OWSer's. LOL.... I DARE you to say that to my pretty,smart 20 year old daughter.

We disagree on the movement,but she can kick MY ass.....So I'd be careful.

In a dialog,not by force. She ignores mainstream on this topic.... With good reason I'm observing.

Originally posted by niceguybob
Filthy Low Life OWSer's. LOL.... I DARE you to say that to my pretty,smart 20 year old daughter.

We disagree on the movement,but she can kick MY ass.....So I'd be careful.

In a dialog,not by force. She ignores mainstream on this topic.... With good reason I'm observing.

You didn't quote me, but I'm assuming that is in response to my comment. She might ignore the mainstream on it, but a lot of people aren't, I wouldn't really be talking to her, but if she wants to duke it out, I do P90X so she can bring it.

Originally posted by svetlana84
The cost of snow removal in nyc last winter was 29 million$
Source nyt


The treasury paid more than 200 billions on bailouts to financial crooks.

do the math !

and do not blame it on OWS.

Cities's snow removal budget has nothing to do with the treasury

secondly what's your point?

Why don't you go murder 26 Austrian housewives and then say:
So what? How many iraqis died during the Iraq war?

What kind of mentality is this?

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by svetlana84
The cost of snow removal in nyc last winter was 29 million$
Source nyt


The treasury paid more than 200 billions on bailouts to financial crooks.

do the math !

and do not blame it on OWS.

Cities's snow removal budget has nothing to do with the treasury

secondly what's your point?

Why don't you go murder 26 Austrian housewives and then say:
So what? How many iraqis died during the Iraq war?

What kind of mentality is this?

It has everything to do with it, local govenments are cutting everything and the money they have left over isn't worth as much

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters

Zucotti is a private park that they turned into a tent city

And the lease owner has no problem with OWS being there.

Think about it.

Hmmm...
Ok I WILL think about it and how Brookfield Properties owns the park!

Now that I THINK about it as you suggested here's a video of Brookfield Properties security guards throwing an Occupy Wrong Street protester over a barricade.



Ya, that's how they roll out the red carpet right?
You call that an invitation?

Think about it!

Originally posted by assspeaker
I gave this a little more thought. Questioning how OWS could do a better job, and how it could benefit the city's funds.

This is only a proposal, and surely has flaws, but here goes sort of a plan.

1) OWS protesters sign a waiver that they will not intentionally break any laws. This includes the fact that parks close at night, so occupying those at night would not be allowed. And those that don't sign, will not be allowed to join the civilized group.
2) OWS elects a leader figure to run as liaison between OWS and the city. (some groups have taken this step)
3) OWS elects group leaders to oversee, and attempt to thwart any problems. This may include setting up a reformatory and clinics using those protesters that have been trained in health care.
4) OWS provides individuals with radios to police themselves. These people, and at least one channel could be in contact with police if any individual or group starts to get out of hand.
5) OWS provides their own toilets, and food with the funds they HAVE already gathered.
6) OWS begins to suggest solutions to the problems at hand.
7) OWS becomes a self sustaining community.

I know, woulda, shoulda, coulda is a factor. But an about face with professionalism an responsibility would put this movement in a much more serious light. I'm sure I am not the first to suggest this sort of a deviation from the current conditions.

edit on 18-11-2011 by assspeaker because: corrections

I think your list there shows some serious and well reasoned thought to how this can work and be productive as well as tolerated by the community going into the long term. I congratulate you on that. I'd like to think if suggestions like yours had been adopted earlier in this process and truly held to, things wouldn't have reached the point they have now where it's too late for things to really improve regarding relations with the community and authorities in so many locations.

To add to your points here, I had found this guide:

How to make a successful Occupation

I'd found this just before heading out to join a camp myself. I printed it up and distrbuted a few copies around camp. It was met with real support and great responses.....then ignored and thrown to the side. And..here we are. Fighting in the streets, crime waves in the camps and the outbreak of illness and chronic disease alredy starting. (sigh)

If only.... Yeah, If only your suggestions and my discovery above could have been taken to heart back at the start of all this, when the movement could have been formed and shaped with some of that at it's very core. A very different outcome is what I believe we'd be seeing today. Oh well... Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda and that saying about something in one hand with hope in the other. Depressing isn't it?

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by svetlana84
The cost of snow removal in nyc last winter was 29 million$
Source nyt


The treasury paid more than 200 billions on bailouts to financial crooks.

do the math !

and do not blame it on OWS.

Cities's snow removal budget has nothing to do with the treasury

secondly what's your point?

Why don't you go murder 26 Austrian housewives and then say:
So what? How many iraqis died during the Iraq war?

What kind of mentality is this?

It might be a different branch, but it comes down to taxpayers money being spent on crooks, in sensless wars (since you brought iraq up) and wasted in over bureaucratic nightmares instead of doing something for the actual people living in the states, such as shoveling snow for you and your mom.

OWS is amongst others things protesting the bailout of banksters.


And speaking of mentality, what mentality is it to assume OWS is responsable for city costs? I never heard the OWS calling for hordes of police.

Two things will happen:

1. They raise taxes to cover the cost.
2. They will get a bailout to cover those costs.

With a limited budget already and the costs for those protest's someone is going to pay and those business who lost revenue from those protests who pay the bulk of taxes now will not be paying as much to the city/state.

Any they say Freedom of speech and assemble was free not so much.

Originally posted by FallenWun
No, I expect people to be consistent in their message about less government, less dependance, less spending, less taxes, being self sufficient, boot straps, yadda yadda yadda. I am not sure why I should have to chip in to plow a street because you need to go somewhere. I do not need the government to plow for me. Why so dependent on big government?

Really? Here's one for you. Last year we had a heavy snow and the City's road crews were too busy to get to the smaller streets. My neighbor owns a landscaping company, so he had some of his employees clear the streets around his shop. He was FINED by the City.

How about you build your own bridges and pave your own roads too?

reply to post by Ahabstar


Love it.
Green Shovel ready jobs while dealing with the crisis of Global Warming.
Obama couldn't ask for anything better.

Aren't public services a form of socialism ?
Everyone pays everyone benefits .
The OWS people don't pay ?
They pay to ride busses and subways.
They pay tolls.
They pay tax on gas , food and services.
And thats ontop of what you don't know.
You don't know who has a job,owns a business, goes to school, is homeless , a drug addict or even an undercover cop.
This is America, equal rights FOR ALL.
Not just for clowns who wish to posts their hate for others who wish to take an active role in democracy.
You have every right to post your hate and the 99% have every right to protest.

Go shovel your own snow, socialist, and your mothers too.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by assspeaker
Really? Did the OWS tell the city to waste (and how much?) money on a police presence that makes the police look like the thugs? Well then you think they should just have unlimited spending to sustain the status quo?

As Capt. Ray Lewis said "The police commisioner works for the mayor, the mayor tells the commisionner how he wants it handled and the commisionner trickles down the orders to the white shirts who then gives the orders to cops"

So once again, don't Occupy Wrong Street
Occupy the mayor's office

See what i'm saying now?

You have to watch this "special comment" by Olberman. Probably the most amazing and dead-on thing I've seen on a major broadcast TV show ever....

I think states are broke cities are broke. Lots of empty houses mean no tax money for the city to clear the streets. I hope this will get better but I just don't no. There are jobs but not good ones and education cost to much. We need a plan like a very good job placement program so everyone in America can work. No matter what the circumstance of the person. With on the job training built-in for all jobs from doctors to brick layers and so on.peace out...

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Thanks for the kind words! Your guide has a much better perspective on the do's and dont's of a successful movement. I guess it's not to late to get with some program, but as you said, it seems hard to get everyone on track at this stage.

Originally posted by Riffrafter

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by assspeaker
Really? Did the OWS tell the city to waste (and how much?) money on a police presence that makes the police look like the thugs? Well then you think they should just have unlimited spending to sustain the status quo?

As Capt. Ray Lewis said "The police commisioner works for the mayor, the mayor tells the commisionner how he wants it handled and the commisionner trickles down the orders to the white shirts who then gives the orders to cops"

So once again, don't Occupy Wrong Street
Occupy the mayor's office

See what i'm saying now?

You have to watch this "special comment" by Olberman. Probably the most amazing and dead-on thing I've seen on a major broadcast TV show ever....

Awesome video! Thanks for that, I seem to go to CNN, but I really like to watch Keith get colorful when he is on to something. G>>Da__ Batman Movie!..I lost it!

Originally posted by BohemianBrim

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Tough to remember what the cogent point was here. May I suggest fewer baseless personal attacks as an opening line? I guess it all depends on whether or not you are interested in having a discussion or looking cool for two people.
Nice chatting with ya.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Ok that's a completely other topic

How so?

Right now the city removes the snow and your money does go towards that

I know that. In fact, I believe I said that.

If your money goes towards that you want it done

I hope you meant to say something completely different. You automatically support everything you tax money goes to just because you tax money goes to it? I do not. Do not pretend you can tell me that I do.

What you are saying is a completely other topic

It is dead on topic here. This is the usual response I get when I feel I made a good point.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
As a homeowner, taxpayer and FORMER OWS supporter in it's current form, this actually matters quite a bit. I do shovel my own snow. However, I also pay my fair share of taxes into my city. Some of that is intended for things like snow removal on major and secondary streets that the OP is right about. Where will the money come from when it's already been spent?

You are telling me that you paid the government money to remove your snow, they spent it on something else, and you are upset with people not in control of any of that over it? If you paid your snow removal taxes and are not getting your snow removed, you should be looking at the people that took your money to pay for snow removal. How many of them are in OWS?

NONE of that money went with the intention of paying security (police) for protests camping 24/7. When viewed that way it's getting to be a question of whose rights are violated here after all? The OWS camp members or the 99% out here who will get short changed on the service vs. taxes paid? It really is getting into numbers where that is a relevant thing to start discussing.

You are not making your argument any better by making up your own imaginary 99%. 99% of people will not be snowed in this winter because your city decided to blow the money on riot gear and looking badass in the face of some "dirty kids."