What Will Happen In Winter When Snow Is All Over But OWS Caused City Costs to Soar?

Originally posted by JIMC5499
Really? Here's one for you. Last year we had a heavy snow and the City's road crews were too busy to get to the smaller streets. My neighbor owns a landscaping company, so he had some of his employees clear the streets around his shop. He was FINED by the City.

Relevant point being...?

How about you build your own bridges and pave your own roads too?

Hey hey hey now. Sounds like Socialism you are preaching, komrad. What is up with that? You want the government to build your roads and bridges for you? Then they will get to tell you how to drive.
Better take that back to mother Russia.

If Corporations like Verizon and GE want to buy our government then they can pay to have their streets plowed and sidewalks shoveled. I would think with multi-billion dolloar profits inside the US and negative tax rates (multi-million dollar tax rebates) that they can afford such luxuries. No? Okay...

How about the governors and mayors across the US pay the snow removal bills out of their campaign donations? Still no? Okay...

Why not hand cops shovels and attatch plows to the busses and vans they come out of in full riot gear (toasty) and make them earn the tax dollars they're are just standing around guarding or beating peaceful protesters with?
They could even be nice heavy shovels so that they aren't defenseless without their batons.

Originally posted by FallenWun

Hey hey hey now. Sounds like Socialism you are preaching, komrad. What is up with that? You want the government to build your roads and bridges for you? Then they will get to tell you how to drive.
Better take that back to mother Russia.

Thanks for that, but dang, It's pretty early for me to have cognitive thought.

This is another very interesting topic, that our is infrastructure falling apart. (Sorry (OP) I am straying off topic a bit here). My first thought was the book " The Bridges over Madison County", and how I assumed most of these bridges where built by the farmers, but I was wrong. See www.madisoncounty.com... Looks like the city had them covered to preserve the flooring wood.
Next thought was the 2007 bridge collapse over the old Miss. in Minnesota. I'm thinking about how China is currently doing a major infrastructure renovation and improvement right now, and how Obama is ramping up highway and infrastructure repair to get some temporary jobs going.
Thinking about it, I'm sure the private sector could do a fine job building bridges and roads to code, without bureaucracy adding to the cost.
All that text for this next (I'm dreaming now) thought: Let the private sector inspect the bridges that they want to repair. Let them submit a quote with their credentials to a website. Let the website award the contract to the lowest QUALIFIED bidder after 3 bids have been received. Ensure the time line for repairs are met, or a penalty clause automatically kicks in for liquidated damages on slow construction (with automatic weather considerations). This system could potentially get us two to three bridges for the price of one, create a very fair competition for the work, and automate out the possibility of the city stealing the funds to fund other things. As it is now, I feel like we (taxpayers, whatever percentage that may be..lol) pay way too much for the results.

The sickening thought of Haliburton getting all the work would need to be considered also.

Kali74, I love the idea of our tax dollars going to people that can multi-task. I could only hope that someday those HYPO motorist assist trucks would include some asphalt patch and a shovel. You better get your quotta of holes filled, cause Bubba wants your job, and is not afraid to pick up a shovel.

If this becomes a financial burden on the city then they will be bailed out and the taxpayers will foot the bill. Very simple. The city will moan and complain that funds are being depleted, but daddy warbucks will get them a new credit card.

i expect the diehard protestors of the 'Occupy' to eventually huddle in the only sanctuaries left


the churches.... just like mobs of frightened people flocked to the churches and cathedrals in the movie
'War of the Worlds'

Originally posted by Riffrafter
You have to watch this "special comment" by Olberman. Probably the most amazing and dead-on thing I've seen on a major broadcast TV show ever....

it started out good talking about previous protests that actually meant soemthing
But then he compared ***OWS*** to them

Honestly that was an insult to previous protestors from previous decades

That was like Martin Luther King Jr.'s brother on Larry King Live saying MLK Jr would have voted ofr Obama
Saying that a very intelligent man like MLK Jr. would have voted for a facade "change"and "yes we can"
Slogans with zero meanings and zero substance, but apparently very efficient buzzwords for the zombie masses

Then he went on with his theatrical over-acting and over-staging
The speech became more of a personal insult to an individual, here Bloomberg, than relevant to OWS

Also Keith doesn't know what the world "platitude" means

Maybe you could make a thread about:

What will happen when the bankster thieves and Wallstreet have finally taken every penny in everyone's
401-K's, and they are all living in the streets when it snows, but the Wallstreet thieves have a five million dollar home in every country in the world?

What will happen then? You are so worried about the "elderly" when it snows, why not worry about what's going to happen to them when all their services are cut?

ModernAcadamia, yesterday i jumped the gun, throwing in short posts.

Today i am on the calmer, more analytical side.

So i d like you to ask the question:

- did city cost soar because of OWS at all ?
- if so, what numbers are we speaking ?

If you look at a city like NY they have hundreds of police officers anyway on duty, so the costs are not higher if there are demonstrations, the cops just get other tasks to do. ( less traffic tickets writing, less donut eating and so on).

reply to post by ModernAcademia

Honestly that was an insult to previous protestors from previous decades

How so? Do you think the issues they are protesting are less important? Or affect less people?

If so, I'd say you're way off base and don't really understand what the protests are about.

The issues affect almost everyone - i.e. - the 99%

What they are against is a system rigged to make the rich richer, the poor poorer and the middle class simply go away.

What they are against is a congress that gets elected on promises to represent the people, and then on day one in office most of them only care about representing themselves and how they will get re-elected.

What they are against is an all-out assault on the rights that were the basis of the founding of this great country and that so many service men and women fought and died for.

Sure they're disorganized and don't know exactly how to go about bringing on the change.

I think that's refreshing. If they said they had a solution, I'd be suspicious as hell as even our "greatest" minds either don't have a solution or cannot agree on the best way forward.

The problems are BIG. The solutions will probably also have to be BIG.

And this is how it starts....

BTW - before you go labeling me some knee-jerk liberal, I am probably in the 2 or 3%. I have a full-time job that pays very well and I also own a successful business too. I come from a family where 90% of the males on both sides are cops (family tradition from father to son) and have been for 40 years.

So - I am the 2% that is fully with the 99%

Things need to change. We're getting owned. Our rights have been continually eroded since 9/11 and most people don't seem to care. I have kids and that's scary as hell to me...

Originally posted by Riffrafter
How so? Do you think the issues they are protesting are less important? Or affect less people?

My entire posting/thread history on OWS has only been about 2 things
1) They are only protesting against the consequences of corruption and not the root cause
2) They have no list of demands, have almost no focus and are turned a private park into a tent city and are not acting like adults that clean up after themselves.

So why do I care so much if I disagree with them?
1) Because they are painting the history of protesting with a broad brush of nothingness, so they are giving future and more focused protesters a bad name.
2) They are dumbing down people by gathering such a huge mass of support for a big ball of nothing.

This is why i'm so against them

Originally posted by Riffrafter
If so, I'd say you're way off base and don't really understand what the protests are about.

See the problem is that I do

Originally posted by Riffrafter
The issues affect almost everyone - i.e. - the 99%

yes and above 99% of the problem is nowhere near the locations where they are protesting
I've debated with 99%ers, none of them know what they are talking about

Do me a favor, check my thread history, take a few minutes and do it
And tell me after seeing the number of corruption threads I've made in Breaking Alternative News and Global Meltdown.

Understand I very much know as everyone else here that there's a massive problem going on and you and me probably would agree on what.

But that has nothing to do with me disliking their general approach, their location, their level of competency, their disorganization, their support for entitlements which only hurts the masses and probably for the fact that most of them will vote Obama but are trying to occupy his biggest campaign donors.

Originally posted by Riffrafter
What they are against is a system rigged to make the rich richer, the poor poorer and the middle class simply go away.

Then why are they hating the players and not the game's moderators?

Originally posted by Riffrafter
What they are against is a congress

I'm going to stop you right there
They are not protesting any local representative's office are they?
Are they in washington?

You can't be against congress while only screaming at rich people

Instead of saying their are sick of congress tell them to protest in the correct areas.

Originally posted by Riffrafter
What they are against is an all-out assault on the rights that were the basis of the founding of this great country and that so many service men and women fought and died for.

Their location disagrees with you

Originally posted by Riffrafter
Sure they're disorganized and don't know exactly how to go about bringing on the change.

but they don't even know where to focus
before marching the streets educate yourselves
Forget about not knowing how to bring the change, just know what you are protesting against first

Do troops jump into a warzone without training or guns?

Do you at least understand where i'm coming from?

reply to post by ModernAcademia

I'm going to stop you right there
They are not protesting any local representative's office are they?
Are they in washington?

You can't be against congress while only screaming at rich people

Instead of saying their are sick of congress tell them to protest in the correct areas.

Yes they are, many protests across the nation have happened at City Halls, Federal Reserve buildings, and State Houses.

There is an Occupy DC.

Some from OWS are marching on foot to DC to protest Congress, they should be there by next week.
There's a massive protest planned to Occupy Capitol Hill set for Dec 5-9.

Pretty asinine question OP.

What happened when a bunch of rowdy freedom-loving colonists painted their faces and threw some tea into the Boston harbor? The cost to the king of England must have really soared, having to send all those army guys over here.

I guess we can't protest nowadays, because the costs to the government we are protesting against might soar. So stay inside, watch TV, and shut up. Sheeple.

Originally posted by Kali74
Yes they are, many protests across the nation have happened at City Halls, Federal Reserve buildings, and State Houses.

There is an Occupy DC.

Some from OWS are marching on foot to DC to protest Congress, they should be there by next week.
There's a massive protest planned to Occupy Capitol Hill set for Dec 5-9.

Firstly the majority of those going there probably could even get into a debate about why they are there
Secondly who is going there? Occupy WALLSTREET is
so their focus is still the consequences of corruption

Listen you can't point at rich people saying you should give your 'fair share'
You can't point your finger at bankers telling them they are corrupt

If someone robs from you are you going to occupy outside his house or will you call the cops and bring him to cour?

You can't point your finger at rich people or bankers, but politicians however want to be re-elected
The Occupy the Fed movement has been tarnished by the occupy wallstreet movement
And how many people there know what the FED even is?

So what you have listed is both not enough and should be done long ago

Organize yourselves, educate yourselves, have a plan, protest in the correct areas
And after educating yourself continue to educate others
And a$$man or whatever his ats handle is suggested signing a piece of paper which is they support this this and that, which is a well defined list of demands or a manifesto if you will

do that and you'll see me in the crowd helping you out
in the meantime please everyone stop tarnishing the image of protestors, be responsible educated people that focus on the issues and that clean up after yourselves
and no support for entitlement systems

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
I guess we can't protest nowadays, because the costs to the government we are protesting against might soar. So stay inside, watch TV, and shut up. Sheeple.

That is a very irresponsible statement to make
as if it's impossible to form protetsts without turning private property into a tent city and cleaning up after yourselves.

Stay inside and watch TV?
Why is it one extreme or the other?
Either be a disorganized bunch not knowing what you are protesting against or stay home and watch TV?
That's part of the problem isn't it, the lack of choice that pro-OWS'ers give

reply to post by ModernAcademia


You're blaming OWS for potentially making city costs soar due to snow removal - so what are you saying, stop protesting? It might inconvenience the government? Isn't that the point? OWS is along the lines of a sit-in. They're making sure the city and world are aware of their presence and their message.

Why do you assume city costs will soar over snow removal anyhow? The city already pays for snow removal, OWS or not, If anything, the occupiers will save them snow-removal costs since their presence will likely keep the park clear of snow.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


I haven't watched Olbermann since that disgusting, slobbering about his dad begging him to kill him, and using that whole episode to push the Totalitarian health rationing otherwise called the Affordable Health Care Act. His useless rants are just too disgusting for me to listen to.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


All of them are tied together (government, wallstreet, banks, corporations etc). It's not about hating the rich, it's about hating the corruption. Honestly we counter and counter and counter the misconceptions and answer the "I would be out there too but..." how many ya but's can there be? And why is it ok to slam them up to and until that magic moment happens when a person is converted to supporter? A movement can't be custom fit to all, sorry. Don't support it, that is fine. It's fine with me as a supporter to not have everyone support but please, please, please stop with the sillyness. While your wondering about snow budgets, protesters are being beaten, arrested for no reason, and pepper sprayed. These protests have exposed for the masses that we are in a police state, is it ok with you just because at the moment the focus of our police state is a bunch of dirty hippies?

reply to post by Kali74


Demands for ever taxing the rich higher and higher is class warfare and socialist/communist/Progressive. Also, the Progressive income tax slide puts everyone in an increasingly higher tax bracket so no matter how hard you work, you never really get ahead. It punishes success and hard work and destroys incentive.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

I'm going to stop you right there
They are not protesting any local representative's office are they?
Are they in washington?

You can't be against congress while only screaming at rich people

Instead of saying their are sick of congress tell them to protest in the correct areas.

Yes they are, many protests across the nation have happened at City Halls, Federal Reserve buildings, and State Houses.

There is an Occupy DC.

Some from OWS are marching on foot to DC to protest Congress, they should be there by next week.
There's a massive protest planned to Occupy Capitol Hill set for Dec 5-9.

What do you wanna bet they are only going to protest the half of Congress which does not support more entitlement spending?

Durring the colder and snowy days thses birds will migrate to warmer cities in the south. Or move back in with parents. Those that stay will be lost in the drifting snow, frozen.