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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
If anything, your anecdote reinforces my desire to drop out. Why should I support people like her?
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
I agree 100% OP. I am leaving my job in a few weeks and I plan to go on unemployment and get all of the other socialist entitlements I possibly can. Between federal, state, local and property taxes I pay over 40k/year in taxes. I say ENOUGH!!! I QUIT! By the time I grab all of the benefits I can, I hope to become a net loss of 75k or more to the "system". Unless you know where I can find Galt's Gulch, I quit. I am done subsidizing the lazy.
I hope you reconsider.
We were at a barbeque a few weeks ago and ended up sitting at a table with a woman who grew up with my wife's friend who was hosting. She had just flown in from California with her two children and was telling us how great being unemployed was for her. She has been doing societally productive activities such as going to her wine club every week.
Her last comment (before I went in the house and rammed my head through a door) was that if unemployment was not extended further she might-MIGHT-have to go and get a job.
50%. How much more so other people can still enjoy their wine club.
Originally posted by yadda333
If you pay property taxes then you must own a home. That must be nice, huh?
If your property taxes are what you say they are, then I bet you have a pretty nice home, huh?
These threads are becoming tiring.
Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
i do feel the pain. 50% is steep, although I think the OP is using a bit of hyperbole. It is his last dollars earned (above $250,000 adjusted gross income) that is taxed at 50%. It is not the whole $250,000 that is taxed at 50%. Regardless, the tax rates are too high.
Originally posted by fooks
reply to post by Kitilani
depends on what state you are in.
things are better in MA than Nebraska
for people on the states payroll.
Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by newcovenant
If you should not be forced to pay for his kids school, why should he be forced to pay for yours when his kids are not attending the same school?
RE The minimum standards: What a joke. Look at the test scores and graduation rates since the formation of the dept of education. Look at literacy rates. Be serious. The dept of education is an example of Orwellian double speak.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
There has been a good deal of rhetoric coming from the White House and politcal pundits about people having to 'pay their fair share' or 'share the burden'. I am a former business owner (restaurant) who is now involved in the manufacturing sector for the past three years. While I no longer own a business I still put in nearly the same amount of hours, they are just condensed into the standard work week and no longer occupy my weekends.
I am not ashamed to admit that I was very successful when I had my business. I made a good profit each year and had a happy and dedicated client base. My partner and I sold it for a profit and I took the position I currently hold. I have also done quite well here and have helped our company grow despite the down economy.
While I am certainly not one of the 'millionares and billionaires' that seem to get vilified as of late I have done well and would fall under the target group of earners (due to filing jointly) that would see their taxes increase further if current White House sentiment were to become law.
When I sold my business I paid nearly 40% in taxes on the proceeds. This was after paying state and federal income taxes every year for thirteen years as well as strictly, in my opinion, punitive taxes such as New Jersey's Corporate Business Tax (CBT) which is basically a tax just for deciding you want to own a business. We decided to sell because of the prospect of diminshing returns for the amount of work required. I employed over 14 people when I sold it. Sadly, the people who bought it went out of business within two years and everyone lost their jobs. I has thankful that I was able to get a few of them work (one with me and two with friends) but I have second thoughts and regret about selling because of this and I know I could have kept the establishment running indefinetly.
In my new postition we currently pay, between our joint earnings, nearly 50% in taxes between state, federal and local property taxes.
So I ask again; at what point is it enough? How much more of the money I worked hard to earn will I be required to give? 55%? 60%? More?
At what point does someone feel obliagted to anymore of my hardwork? I have no issue paying my fair share, but I have a serious issue paying other people's fair share.
Originally posted by newcovenant
Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by newcovenant
If you should not be forced to pay for his kids school, why should he be forced to pay for yours when his kids are not attending the same school?
RE The minimum standards: What a joke. Look at the test scores and graduation rates since the formation of the dept of education. Look at literacy rates. Be serious. The dept of education is an example of Orwellian double speak.
I have no children. Why should I be forced to pay ANY of his?
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Originally posted by newcovenant
Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by newcovenant
If you should not be forced to pay for his kids school, why should he be forced to pay for yours when his kids are not attending the same school?
RE The minimum standards: What a joke. Look at the test scores and graduation rates since the formation of the dept of education. Look at literacy rates. Be serious. The dept of education is an example of Orwellian double speak.
I have no children. Why should I be forced to pay ANY of his?
Because you live in a civilized society and benefit from either working for, or with, or have working for you, a reasonably educated citizen. A reasonably educated society also means you and your loved ones have less to worry about having your head knocked off for petty reasons. The list would probably be too long to type it all....
Originally posted by mustard seed
reply to post by gandamack2
WOW! Gonna be nice about this
www.msu.edu...
As one of those Darkies I forgive your profound ignorance
seed
Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
Before you start blaming the poor for all your money woes, it's the government that's run by the super rich that are taking your money and squandering it. I don't get it; do the upper middle class like you actually think that poor people take up most of the high taxes they pay?
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
The great French classical liberal, Frederic Bastiat, stated that plunder is always easier than profit. In other words, it is easier for the poor to use government as a tool to plunder you for your earnings, than it is for them to get off of their a$$ and go earn it themselves. This is the basis for the Democrat party, and more importantly, the zero liability voter. The non-tax paying citizen votes for those that will use their power in government to take from you and give to them. To answer your question, it is never enough, and you will probably be called a racist or some other commonly thrown around term because you have the nerve to suggest that you are entitled to keep your personal property, instead of have it redistributed to those that did not earn it. So where is your incentive to work hard if the fruits of your hard work are taken from you? There isn't one... and that is the end result of progressivism aka hope and change.