Are the London Riots a False Flag?

Originally posted by invetro
reply to post by Honor93

you can always choose to ignore my posts ... like it or lump it, no one is forcing you to read or comment on them. You bite, then i guess you better plan on chewing some crow.

your point about 'patronizing' falls on deaf ears dear ... your perceptions are your own, i promote facts. sorry if the truth is more than you can swallow.

had you bothered to read this thread, you may have had the ability to resist or are you just chomping at the bit to bite at the first person available?
sorry but your claim to being 'unaware' is BS and you know it

i am not here to impress you or anyone else ... if that is your goal, find another contributor, there are plenty these days.

i haven't tried your new link because in the grand scheme of things, it's irrelevant.

the BBM/Private message service was the important part of the brand discussion ... not that you'd catch that or anything, just pointing it out for your benefit since you decided to jump in with NO background on the issue being discussed.

ok, so you don't believe in capital punishment (could have said so, smarty pants) but here in the US, we do and if you're gonna "treat them all the same" (your words not mine), then there is no other option.
however, considering your response, one can clearly see where your 'authority' lies ...

expect the law to treat them like any other criminal with possible jail time

so, let's get this straight ... you claim ...
1. blackberry is the preferred phone of Most UK teens
2. all criminals should be treated equally
3. if the criminal were your child then they should possibly get jail time
4. you don't believe in capital punishment for any crime

good so far?
just trying to make sure i understand your stance, that is all.
if i am wrong, please correct me ... otherwise, buck up and talk rather sling mudd

reply to post by Honor93

had you bothered to read this thread, you may have had the ability to resist or are you just chomping at the bit to bite at the first person available? sorry but your claim to being 'unaware' is BS and you know it

I have read a lot of threads tonight on many issues, this being one of them. I don't see how my contribution is me biting? You are getting very heat up and I don't know what your exact issue is. Because I posted a dud link?

i haven't tried your new link because in the grand scheme of things, it's irrelevant. the BBM/Private message service was the important part of the brand discussion ... not that you'd catch that or anything, just pointing it out for your benefit since you decided to jump in with NO background on the issue being discussed.

My first link was all about BBM and how it relates to UK youth culture today.
You stated that Blackberry phones were more in use by adults than children, I have provided facts to counter that, but feel free to ignore them as is your choice.

ok, so you don't believe in capital punishment (could have said so, smarty pants) but here in the US, we do and if you're gonna "treat them all the same" (your words not mine), then there is no other option. however, considering your response, one can clearly see where your 'authority' lies ...

You were the one mentioning execution, not me. I don't agree with capital punishment, correct (can I call you smarty pants now?) and it really has nothing to do with me if America has it or not. That's your back yard, not mine.

My authority? I said possible jail time. Possible because here they are more likely to get community service if charges are deemed to be of a less serious nature. I'm not some tree hugging hippy. I really wish sentencing was harsher.
Maybe I confused you with the equality stance. Equality of treatment regarding crimes of a similar nature regardless of skin colour, not doling out indentical sentences to both petty and hardcore criminals.

Are we being civil yet?

this is not a false flag, this is what happens when a large area of society are fed benefits and left with nothing as far as education or skills go. Their offspring think they can do what they want, when they want... guess what, they can!

This will only get worse in the UK now

Jobs have gone in many western nations due to outsourcing of western jobs to China .India.Bangladesh,Phillipines,Taiwan, ect ect ect.
So now we have a large immigrant population who are now thinking living in a cold grey England without a job isn't very good.
The irony is incredible.

I see what the OP is saying.

Our police can control 80,000 football fans WHEN they want to

This all seems planned to me, I mean 6 hours before even 1 cop turned up? C'mon... If this was a football match the water gun and rubber bullets would be out within minutes

Originally posted by invetro
reply to post by Honor93

i assure you, i am civil 99% of the time. we all have our moments

you openly admitted you didn't read this thread Before posting your nonsense, don't backpedal now.
if you "don't know what my exact issue is" ~~ why don't you try asking?

your dud link led to -0- information. as far as i'm concerned, you presented nothing
i'm not sure where you get that i'm 'heat up' ~~ but, you are seriously confused or deluded, your choice.

ok, so we mis-communicated on the punishment/equality topic, i can admit that, can you?
i would not agree with or support community service type punishment for these thugs.
or execution for that matter but, you'll call me whatever you desire whether i approve or not ... so why go there?

not too sure about you but i'd hardly call this destruction spree "petty" crime but whatever, i'm glad i'm not there.

Ok....I'll make a comparison!

By false flag, I'll compare it to Pearl Harbour!

They sat back and let it happen!...(encouraged in some cases)

Monday night 6000 officers throughout London!

Tuesday night 16000 officers in London.............Closing stable door after the Horse has bolted!!


I've watched it all with great interest and by the way the police have reacted from the very start through till now I smell a rat

Also!

Did anyone notice the MSM are only interviewing the middle classes?

Best people to ask for an opinion if propaganda is to be used!!

These people would never know what it is like in this country to go without!!

Their opinion don't count as far as I'm concerned as they didn't get dragged up on a council estate with between 2,000 and 10,000 others, with no future or prospects at all!.....and things are getting worse!

It wouldn't take a lot of encouragement for a few hundred of these people from each estate to take free stuff when offered!!....This is what I'm seeing!

The police Encouraged this behaviour by standing off and not "Nipping in the Bud"!!

This Was a police Order!!
This is a False Flag!

The only thing I find suspicious is that the cops dont seem to be doing a thing form what I've seen on the news. They could of eneded this already, but for some reason dont seem to want to.

reply to post by Honor93

first, i can and will offer any opinion and make any declaration i choose, with or without supporting evidence ... it's called Free Speech ... and i thoroughly enjoy it.

Sure you can say what you like, but if you want to be taken seriously then you need evidence.

thirdly, i can probably find more information about the miners' strike at my local library ... and

Well you’d have to wouldn’t you seeing as you’re not even British, you probably didn’t even know you Arthur Scargill was. So don’t pretend that you were at the miners’ strike or that you know from firsthand experience how British policing and society has changed in the past 24 years.

Next, since you fail to have an argument, why the personal attacks?

And what is your argument? “If you don't clearly see a false flag, you are not looking close enough.”?

Read my posts and you’ll see my argument.

Don’t whinge about personal attacks when you’re reply to me began “hahahaha”.

You’ve got no evidence of a false flag, you have no experience of how British society has changed you have nothing of consequence to bring to this thread at all.

reply to post by zerozero00


I have absolutley no doubt that whilst this not being false flag as such the police however have deliberately looked stretched and been slow to respond to make the point that they can't cope now and if the government go ahead with the planned cuts in the police force then they will be even less able to do so in the future.

In essence they are putting their own interests ahead of the welfare of those threatened by the looters.

I dare say so are lots of other groups and people.

After hearing Cameron today saying that all public workers complain that they dont get enough money (he ckind of i implied that) then I get the idea that the cuts will stya happen or maybe it will be less, who knows?

The three people killed in Birmingham were Muslims and that scares me a bit. You see, the whole Immigration/Muslim problem has been quite a stir and this is definetely going to have consecuences. This is a reflection of how other people feel, I have even read some of thise in ATS.

I dont think the looters are from a special racial background, I think most of them are from here, it seems, it also seems that they are all teenagers. I dont want to blame an specific race or whatever but there must be definetely be sdomething in commopn between themselves.

For me they are all Chavs. What is a Chavs? It is not someone that wear Adidas, walks in a way and such. It is someone that intimidates people for an specific race or brackground, it is someone that uses violence to get their point across. It is someone that is not doing anythign for his/her community and in fact are making theyr community worse. It is someone who doesnt want a better future but is quite okay in their little hole.

I have sene them here and they are spreading.

If I am racist I am racist againts Chavs. I cannto stand this cancer in UK

I find it sick how the BRITISH youth are being blamed.. when quite clearly its MULTI-CULTURALISM.. but the media wont admit that.. and im probaly racist for saying this..

Tomato Source..

blame on youths: www.denverpost.com...

Videos Showing Clearly Multi-Cultured PEOPLE and yes.. some are youths..



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I was amazed at how seemingly well organised the riots and looting was. They seemed to start up in a sequence designed to stretch the Met as great as possible while still staying within the Met area.
I don't believe that kids and people looting and burning would've been behind the organisation, these are individuals who pose for cameras to show off their thefts, cannot string a sentence together and can barely organise thier own Mcdoanlds order let alone systematic rioting.

I would not be shocked if there were individuals or group(s) behind this, not necessarily government, may be anarchist groups but don't rule out government. What is certain though is one of two things will come out of this. If the government comes out with heavy duty laws and proposals to combat protests and ant social behaviour then all you conspiracy lovers could be on the right path after all, if they don't then every one of you on ATS is full of sh1t, including me! Time to hedge your bets! Hold up Bet365 giving you the latest odds, evens oooooo!

As for the MPS acting overstretched, no, that's wrong. You have to have worked in the Met to know how they work. How they have to wait for the Home Secretary to get off her backside and give the approval to implement certain procedures, how shift patterns work and how many officers are on duty at any one time, as well as procedures during riots and deployment policies in situations, especially when overstretched. Lost control, yes, on purpose, no.

I don't really see why or how this would be a false flag, it is a bunch of young adults and teenagers organising riots through twitter, facebook and blackberry messenger.

As I said to someone yesterday, this is nothing more than a group of teens going on a late night shopping trip with little or no chance of being caught. Most of the riots are now being caused by opportunistic morons who couldn't care less about Mark Duggan or any of the original reasons.

reply to post by davesmart

perfectly orchestrated

What?

talk of the police beaing orderd to do nothing

On the first night I think they were because their numbers were stretched. Also, look at what happened in the G20 protests when that policeman pushed a man over and subsequently killed him. He got charged with manslaughter. I think a lot of the police were initially scared that that may happen to them, so they restrained.

superintendant goes on holiday

All holiday leave was cancelled was it not?

cameron going to do everything he can to bring this to an end

Yeah, so? That's what you'd expect the Prime Minister to do in this situation. I'd be more worried and suspecting foul play if he did the opposite

and 15000 police and specials to be in london by tonight

See above

This is a call to arms. Anarchists, Individualists, Socialists, anti-Capitalists to unite. We now have hundreds of hours of footage feature these mindless scum who are destroying our inner and outer cities across this land. These acts of destruction are not united against a pre-meditated source in our community or one that dictates our daily lives, but an attack against everyone no matter what political motivation, gender, age, or ethnicity they may be.

Anyone who has collective footage of these scum we urge you to hand in anonymously to the Police, and to maintain a vigil watch over your local neighborhood's. The elderly, disabled and especially those in isolated communities may feel vulnerable throughout all of this as the mainstream media continues to play their 24/7 climate of fear & cat and mouse games with these scum. If you have spare rooms in your homes or flats it would be wise to accommodate vulnerable family members or those you feel may be suffering personal stress throughout all of this.

There IS no political vantage to be had by what these scum are currently doing, so this message we hope can be sent as a unity pledge for all political-based groups (be it left/right/anarchic) to drop arms and remember who we are fighting against. The army has not yet been called in, so lets make the best of Britain and put the Great back in it again.

reply to post by RUDDD


Hear! Hear!

reply to post by RUDDD


Actually the usual suspects like SWP and Class War are quite noticeable in their absence.

reply to post by wcitizen


False flags do not include mobs.

Mobs form on their own.