Anonymous Hackers Claim To Breach NATO Security.

reply to post by peck420


Except that:

- Anonymous dont send people to die or kill, as political leaders do.
- Anonymous provides the information for those who take part to remain secure and anonymous. If they dont bother to follow these measures, thats unwise of them.

So really, its not similar at all, is it?

This was made clear earlier by the same poster you used as reference for your claim. Did you miss that post?

reply to post by vermonster


You are so stupid. Do you that what nato is doing is right, killing people in american name??

They dont protect peace, they start wars in name of usa. They should end.

reply to post by Malcram


If Anonymous isn't a group, an organization, then who are they that are providing information? No doubt there are informants now or will be. No doubt someone working with the government will pose as a member of Anonymous to bring more people down. God bless em.

Dannija, indeed NATO should cease to exist but so should others. The E.U, The U.N, Federal Reserve, the IRS plenty.

These actions are not going to do anything to stop anything. Even if you did find something groundbreaking, so what? Most people don't care and will go on about their life thinking government knows what is best. Anonymous is unorganized, irresponsible and going about it the wrong way.
No one can be honest with their self and blame government's for all the problem's of society.
Your efforts do nothing to stop the sex trade in south-east Asian countries or the religious persecution in the world. It does nothing to stop the constant corruption going on in China.

When these guy first got going I was like, go for it, but they are going to give TPTB a justifiable reason to censor the internet left right and center. I understand the message but guys, don't do anything stupid, or alternatively, hack Iran and China.

reply to post by yeti101


did anons get hacked by another hacker group?

Originally posted by soaringhawk
reply to post by Malcram

 

If Anonymous isn't a group, an organization, then who are they that are providing information? No doubt there are informants now or will be. No doubt someone working with the government will pose as a member of Anonymous to bring more people down. God bless em.

Dannija, indeed NATO should cease to exist but so should others. The E.U, The U.N, Federal Reserve, the IRS plenty.

These actions are not going to do anything to stop anything. Even if you did find something groundbreaking, so what? Most people don't care and will go on about their life thinking government knows what is best. Anonymous is unorganized, irresponsible and going about it the wrong way.
No one can be honest with their self and blame government's for all the problem's of society.
Your efforts do nothing to stop the sex trade in south-east Asian countries or the religious persecution in the world. It does nothing to stop the constant corruption going on in China.

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Can't solve all of earths problems in one day you know. For now china is on their own, they have their own protests, and their own Anonymous there that do what they do. Whatever it is.

There is no right way to go about it. Your a political activist? you get arrested, your a hacktivist? you get arrested, so theres no real way to regardless.

And yes we can blame it all on the governments. If they didn't run into the middle east head first, we would have less death. If they spent more money for the benefit of the people, instead of killing the people. Then maybe they would have a different opinion. But the way i see it, one man, one congress, cannot make the decisions for 300 million people. They vote in whomever, and then never ask anything again.

Look at how many poor are in the US now. Look at unemployment. How many people are on foodstamps? how many people rely on social securit and medicaid? Yet they're going to cut funding to those things that are keeping people alive, barely, while the cost of living, food and gas skyrockets. And they wanna cut more? as opposed to cutting maybe, half the military budget and perhaps putting that money into something useful aside from shooting eachother.

Yes, it is the governments fault, if everyone were treated equal, if everyone had a home, food, a shower, and the things they need to be happy. There would be less crime, because people would not have to resort to it in order to survive.

Imagine if they found PROOF that 9/11 was an inside job, definitive proof, signed by the president or secretary of defence or whatever. What kind of ripple effect would that have? Go talk to some Military Anons. And see how they feel about the government, they would know quite a bit more.

Originally posted by Malcram
reply to post by peck420

 

Except that:

- Anonymous dont send people to die or kill, as political leaders do.
- Anonymous provides the information for those who take part to remain secure and anonymous. If they dont bother to follow these measures, thats unwise of them.

So really, its not similar at all, is it?

This was made clear earlier by the same poster you used as reference for your claim. Did you miss that post?

edit on 22-7-2011 by Malcram because: (no reason given)

And you seem to be under the impression that we are where we are due to violence...

We are at this point in time due to an idea. An idea that morphed into a movement, that morphed into a society, that morphed into an empire.

Somewhere along the way, possibly from the very beginning, it was directed by unseen hands that hide at the back.

Anonymous...different? Only if you have never looked at history.

Is Anonymous for the peoples benefit? Unknown. To know that we would need to know whom is running it and what their immediate and long term goals are. We would also need to know how they plan to accomplish said goals. None of these are known. That makes Anonymous no different than our current establishment...simply 2 generations behind in the game.

Ironically, the US was birthed by the very same idea that Anonymous claims to be born from. Now, Anonymous, is attacking an empire that has the US at its head. Tell me where and how Anonymous will play out any differently.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions...

reply to post by peck420


I agree with the 'unknowns' you gave regarding Anonymous. But those unknowns make them different to TPTB, rather than the same. The motivations, intent and brutal, violent mothods of TPTB are well known.

You would have to assume that Anonymous are the same or will inevitably become the same to claim they are the same. You dont know. So its an assumption. History does not tell us that this is inevitable. Not all well intentioned paths lead to hell.

What you are presenting is an incredibly negative assumption, couched as an inevitability.

Originally posted by vkey08
Just a question to all those who agree with Anon/Luzsec.

How would you like it if it was your medical records they hacked and posted, or your banking info, or even your private documents. While the idea they are putting forth is good, the actions to the ends are not.

It is irresponsible for us a society to condone illegal actions just because the idea behind them is righteous.

I will answer you with an analogy. The colonist tea drinkers couldn't be happy that their cherished beverage was unavailable and in the Atlantic, tossed from merchant ships. However, it was received as the symbolic act of a frustrated people letting the powers to be know that even their culture iconic beverage would not be used to subjugate, control and suppress them.

I don't know of anything much more symbolic to leading edge Western cultural ideological "freedoms" than the Internet.

PLEASE let me be clear - I don't subscribe to or endorse any illegal or immoral act. But I believe that oppression - whether political, class-based, ideological or whatever the flavor of the culture is - is ultimately defeated by a refusal to play along by its youth and the "common man."

Also - so that my references to our country's original tea party aren't misconstrued - it is my humble, personal opinion that this "patriotic" reference has been completely hijacked by the "Tea Party" of today's political scene. But that's a thread of a different topic and time.

These govermnent agencies are stupid, do they not know how to keep there secret incrypted files off line, and away from any internet access.

reply to post by yeti101


Anonymous makes a valid point, they remind of Julian Assange's protege, the only thing I was against what they did was send porn to like 12 year kids, that's a little too much lol

Originally posted by Malcram
You would have to assume that Anonymous are the same or will inevitably become the same to claim they are the same. You dont know. So its an assumption. History does not tell us that this is inevitable. Not all well intentioned paths lead to hell.

What you are presenting is an incredibly negative assumption, couched as an inevitability.

It is an inevitability.

Let me ask you this:
Are there still people in the world that would rather take then create?

Until that answer is no, we are doomed to follow the cycle.

Anonymous has no control (or want of control as far as I can tell) of this fundamental issue.

And that is the only issue that matters, for until it is resolved, there will always be a pyramid with the few and powerful at the top and the remainder at the bottom. It will never be a question of "if", just a question of "when".

reply to post by AzureSky


You cannot blame the government's of the world for every single problem because it removes personal responsibility. There is no way except through education.

Even now with these talks about Anonymous or other things going on in our world, by having heated discussions, by letting grow in us seeds of hate we are contributing to the noise.
Like where everyone is talking at once and you can't listen to what's being said. If there was a real enemy and I believe the devil is that real enemy, then turning us against each other are one of the ways to destabilize our world, make us lost, confused and not sure what to believe and where to turn.
Be true to yourself, treat others as you want to be treated and those that don't want to obey their conscience will perish.

Our world is for a world of those that want to walk in love for all humanity and those that lose the way need help. If Anonymous were serious, if any of us are serious about wanting to stir the water and see change then we need to turn to God and walk in love. Love will unite us, love will destroy evil, love will take us places we never could dream of going. Love covers a multitude of sins.

There are campaigns, there are wars, there are new technologies to track, monitor, to kill. But where is the breakthrough in the advance of our humanness? So Anonymous and anyone else that purposefully or out of ignorance add to this great noise the world is made confused by.

For there to be progress we have to be honest with our self & each other. Some times I am lazy, some times I'm numb but know I shouldn't be. Some times I can behave toward a person that I know is wrong. Our growth to become better people is a lifetime race. A continual process of growth, shedding the old and being made new. May God, the Lord of the world help us all Amen.

Now if we can just get them to wipe the IRS computers.

Originally posted by soaringhawk

Your efforts do nothing to stop the sex trade in south-east Asian countries or the religious persecution in the world. It does nothing to stop the constant corruption going on in China.

edit on 22-7-2011 by soaringhawk because: (no reason given)

even worse still, if they are using zeitgeist as a truth manual for their recruits, it's an incredibly anti christian video series (and almost exclusively, anti-christian...... meaning you see an agenda developing to spread this same anti christian sentiment, amongst their members, all over the planet)!

reply to post by undo


Oh they do? Funny, Zeitgeist video has been proven wrong.

Originally posted by Firefly_
reply to post by Axebo

 

ANYONE can hack someone and claim they are Anonymous. Dont believe every case to be the same people, carrying out the same agenda. You completely misunderstand Anonymous if thats what you think.

and THAT'S the problem. right there. in a nut shell. because anyone can, no one will know who to believe. and because no one will know who to believe, everyone who isn't in the know, will react accordingly based on the evidence, only to be brow beaten, insulted, told their male body parts are small or their brains (or both), etc. it's the impossible scenario. you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

reply to post by soaringhawk


Wow, and is that your totally unbiased and unprejudiced ssessment as a devout Christian?

reply to post by yeti101


They should release it all no matter how "sensitive" the data may be. Might just be what the common folk need to band together and make a strike at the corrupt governments of the world.

reply to post by Malcram


Facts prove the Zeitgeist videos wrong. Wow indeed. Wow that people can be so brain dead to believe such nonsense, furthering the ignorance plaguing our world. If Zeitgeist is the inspiration for those in Anonymous, it shows how stupid they really are. That is not me condemning them but stating the truth.

Such people contribute to the static around us. The static of so much being said and done that there's confusion where those hearing the static can't listen to the truth. Turn the dial away from this band of chaos and tune into your conscience. Seek Jesus Christ, follow His path and walk in love.

Anyone associated with Anonymous, anyone that stirs up pointless argument, debates, are all contributors to the problems facing our world. Until there is a change in the heart you will change nothing.