Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

reply to post by poet1b


The Chairman of the Islamic Supreme Council of America and the Sufi Muslim Council has testified that Islamic supremacists control 80% of US mosques.

Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, a Sufi leader, visited 114 mosques in the United States.

Then he gave testimony before a State Department open forum in January 1999 declaring that Islamic supremacists controlled most mosques in America .

“The most dangerous thing that is going on now in these mosques,” Kabbani said, “that has been sent upon these mosques around the United States—like churches they were established by different organizations and that is okay—but the problem with our communities is the extremist ideology.

Because they are very active, they took over the mosques, and we can say that they took over more than 80% of the mosques that have been established in the U.S.

And there are more than 3,000 mosques in the U.S. So it means that the methodology or ideology of extremists has been spread to 80% of the Muslim population, but not all of them agree with it.”

www.humanevents.com...

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Istanbul, Turkey also has a very complex series of laws to keep radical Islam in check, and if we are going to continue to allow Islamic immigration to the U.S., we must also adopt similar laws, which is what I am saying needs to be done.

sharia.law.emory.edu...

It is good to embrace diversity, but not to the point of being foolish.

reply to post by poet1b


NY Police Department report states that extremists have permeated NY Muslim communities and sow the seeds of radicalisation.

NY Police Dept. Report On Page 69,

―Unfortunately, the City’s Muslim communities have been permeated by extremists who have and continue to sow the seeds of radicalization

USA: New York Police Department :Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat

www.nypdshield.org...

reply to post by poet1b


FBI counterterrorism official: 10% of U.S. Mosques Preach Jihad

www.newsmax.com...

About a quarter of the Muslims in America ages 18 through 29 believe that suicide bombings can be justified, according to a Pew Research Center poll.

Generating those attitudes are imams who preach jihad and hatred in American mosques and postings on the Internet, according to FBI counterterrorism officials interviewed for my book “The Terrorist Watch: Inside the Desperate Race to Stop the Next Attack.”

Saying he is being conservative, an FBI counterterrorism official told me in interviews for the book that 1 in 10 imams preach jihad. Before 9/11, the number of mosques where imams preached jihad was even greater than today.

An example was Ali al-Timimi, a spiritual leader at a mosque in Northern Virginia who preached jihad and provided contact information for those who went to Afghanistan for training in terrorist camps. Al-Timimi is serving a life prison term.

The FBI has outreach programs to try to develop sources in the Muslim community and solicit tips, but FBI agents have found little receptivity.

They find that Muslims often are in denial about the fact that the terrorists who threaten the U.S. are Muslims.

“I had this discussion with the director of a very prominent Muslim organization here in D.C.,” a frustrated counterterrorism agent says. “And he said, ‘Why are you guys always looking at the Muslim community?’”

The agent began laughing. “Okay, you know what I’ll do?” the agent said. “I’ll start an Irish squad, or how about a Japanese squad?

You want me to waste my time and your taxpayers' dollars going to look at the Irish?

They’re not killing Americans. Right now, I’m going to put my money and my people in a place where the threat is.”

If they had today's immigration policies during WW II, the NAZIs wouldn't have had to invade the U.S., all they needed to do was apply for VISAs, move large numbers of people to the U.S., and set up operations.

People on here would be posting to defend the rights of the NAZIs.

Especially considering Islams attitudes towards Jews and women.

Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

That statement is un-American.

If he believes this, then he has no right to become President of the US, because taking the oath to uphold the Constitution would make him a blatant liar.

The country was founded on religious freedom and security against religious persecution, and we do not need an ignorant, intolerant ideologue like this running for--or becoming--president.

Does he even know what the first Amendment is?

Originally posted by Ironclad

Originally posted by brindle
Just make it a law that mosques are totally illegal in the united states.

Good point actually.

Tell me, anyone.... anyone at all.

Are Christian, Jewish, Hundu or any other churches allowed in Lybia, or Saudi, or Syria or any other hardline muslim country?

No they aren't allowed to ;] hardcore Muslims are akin to the Nazis. They are not tolerant and hate everyone that is not them.. People seem to not have a survival instinct any more. No other religion today calls for the assimilation or death of fellow human beings.

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Originally posted by ElectricWizard
Let me ask you a question.. would you allow someone to stay in your house that was praising your death?

If you let a group of people stay in your house in the knowledge that some of them wanted to kill your neighbours in the name of their religion, would that mean you were being religiously tolerant?

I personally agree with the OP. When in the US, behave like americans do. Same goes for any other country in the world. Blend in and learn the local ways. Whenever I am invited in someone else's place, I leave my habits at home. Would you, anyone here, invite me at your place, knowing I love pissing in the sink and vomiting in the bath tub, my socks are radioactive, I don't speak your language and I am fiercely against any of your principles - while doing my best to impose mine on you - and it is normal and customary to me to abuse my hosts' wife, otherwise I'll just execute everyone in the house ? THANX !! Send me a private message with your address and I shall do my best to offer you the epitome off all mothers of entertainments. And maybe - just maybe - you'll learn something...

Sorry, while I was writing, something more or less similar appeared above. Just skip this, I don't mind

Originally posted by Sovaka

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Yeah maybe Herman should do what he does best:

Making some fine delicious Pizza and you know, leave politics to the adults who know how to run things.

Thanks for trying though Mr. Cain. Take your discrimination somewhere else though.

Case point... You just discriminated against Mr. Cain because you perceive his lack of Political Skill.

I think it's actually called observing someone who discriminates against a group of people because of their religious ideologies.

Thanks, son.

We don't allow any societies within our societies in the US that operate under their own jurisdiction at all!!!!!!!!!!

We don't have Amish, Mormons, Mennonites, and any Native American tribes in our country either.

We also don't have any people on this forum whose soul purpose is to disagree and debunk, instead of debating with an open mind.

And someone won't reply to this in a predictable, almost robotic opposing fashion.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by ElectricWizard
Let me ask you a question.. would you allow someone to stay in your house that was praising your death?

If you let a group of people stay in your house in the knowledge that some of them wanted to kill your neighbours in the name of their religion, would that mean you were being religiously tolerant?

seems to be the logic people have...

"HAY BREH IT IS COOL, THEY ARE JUST PRACTICING THEIR RELIGION IT IS COOL.. YEAH, DUDE IT INVOLVES YOUR DEATH IF YOU DO NOT CONVERT. DO NOT WORRY THOUGH WE ARE JUST SO TOLERANT... SO TOLERANT. DO NOT WORRY ABOUT THEM TRYING TO ASSIMILATE TO THE WAYS OF YOUR COUNTRY, YOU WILL LEARN SHARIA."

reply to post by poet1b


Sure, everyone who doesn't want to see a mosque in their town may do what they wish to stop such a thing from happening through every legal they can think of and that is perfectly fine.

However, as far as the constitution goes:

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Kind of walking on thin ice here in constitutional terms as well as political terms.

As for me, the religion stated is almost as far-fetched as scientology.

As long as religion isn't suppressed by any sort of law or regulation in terms of their beliefs that obey the law of the land its all good.

People will of course protest such religions in any lawful way they can and they should based on their opinions.

Originally posted by Elzon
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Kind of walking on thin ice here in constitutional terms as well as political terms.

People will of course protest such religions in any lawful way they can and they should based on their opinions.

Congress has no right to oppose the building of Mosques (or to favor them), but the people have every right to.

The first Amendment clearly prohibits Congress from interfering in religious affairs but it doesn't appear to stop non Congressional bodies from doing so, including private citizens.

Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," the former Godfather's Pizza CEO said protests and legal challenges to a planned mosque in Tennessee city are an example of local residents pushing back.

old.news.yahoo.com...

Having listened to Herman Cain, and followed along with all of the different controversies that surround the Muslim and Islamic groups in the United States of America, the following can be stated:
Tolerance is a pendulum that has to swing both ways. The problem is that both sides are correct in their assessment of the law and what they are wanting to do. The Muslims are correct that they do have the legal right to build a house of worship, and follow their faith, that is guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America. At the same time those who do not want such built, also have the right to protest and try to use legal means to prevent such. There has to be balance and understanding on both sides, while at the same time there needs to be common sense in the matter. There are many questions that should be asked and are never really asked, rather people tend to dance around this one issue, afraid to ask simple questions, such as is there a need for a mosque in this town, is there a large number of Muslims that live in that community which would require that a Mosque be built there? If the answer is no, then the citizens of that community have every right to say no, and the town and government should listen. But if there is, a large Islamic community in that town, then they should have a place to worship and practice their faith, as with any religious organization out there. That is the point of tolerance, and consideration of the other side, and that is what people need to think about. The question also should be asked, and some are asking, is why there, why in this town and why in this location? Does it need to be in a neighborhood or could it be built elsewhere? Too many questions and not enough answers, and for the proposed size of the building, there too are too many questions, after all do less than 1000 people really need a building that is 52 thousand square feet large?

reply to post by poet1b

If they had today's immigration policies during WW II, the NAZIs wouldn't have had to invade the U.S., all they needed to do was apply for VISAs, move large numbers of people to the U.S., and set up operations.

People on here would be posting to defend the rights of the NAZIs.

But Poet is this line of thinking not akin to McCarthyism?

So far there is little to no evidence which supports the notion that Islam is subverting our political system. In fact I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the US is almost void of any real (as in influential) Islamic political movements. One may argue that Islam is a political movement but as many other posters have mentioned in this thread, many if not all of religions are political in nature. They were not always like this, they simply became like this after being tainted by the powerful.

All in all no one has the right to subvert others rights. Under the first amendment "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

We can not pass laws which restrict others from practicing their faith. Why? Because its the law? No...because it is evolution of consciousness. It is what is wholesome, compassionate and right. That is the reason the US should not emulate places like Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany and Saudi Arabia because they preached (in the case of Saudi Arabia still preach) ignorance. I have always wanted to go to Mecca, and it saddens me that I cannot. Hopefully one day we all will be allowed to go. But I am proud to live in a county where you can go wherever and pray to whomever you want.

PS.

The Nazi's were in the US before, during and after WW2. The US has never cared about the extent your ideology goes. Just how useful you are. Operation Paperclip

reply to post by poet1b


Well done to Poet1b for posting this. Herman Cain is one of the very few courageous warriors daring to stand up for his family, his freedom and his nation, to defend them from the Pagan Moon God Death Cult, in which THE RELIGIOUS DUTY OF EVERY MUSLIM IS TO ESTABLISH THE GLOBAL CALIPHATE, and mass immigration to western countries is a DELIBERATE PART OF THIS RELIGIOUS DUTY. There are no "different types of Muslim"---there are only Muslims practicing "taqiyya" deception to fool the "Useful Idiots" as they call us into letting them parasitize us for money and then impose Sharia Law and start chopping off the hands of Christians, like they did for 50 years in Sudan, before the Christians of the South finally won their freedom and independence LAST WEEK.

It is shocking how few people commenting here in support of Islam have bothered to find out anything about it---have none of you read the ATS thread about what's happening now in Great Britain, because their Marxist politicians have deliberately allowed their Muslim allies to use Saudi oil money to build mosques everywhere, as bases for the totalitarian Global Caliphate? Since even the Public Radio station was apparently caught accepting Muslim funding under the table, I hope ATS has not also been accepting such funds to promote Islam and attack Christianity.

Please read this thread before feebly licking the jackboots of Islam, whose only purpose is to convert, destroy and enslave you:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please also see:

crombouke.blogspot.com...

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Originally posted by poet1b
Wow, looks like the republicans have a candidate who has some original ideas. I don't know anything about him, but I think he is right on this subject.

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Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Sunday that communities have a right to ban Islamic mosques.

Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," the former Godfather's Pizza CEO said protests and legal challenges to a planned mosque in Tennessee city are an example of local residents pushing back.
Cain said his view doesn't amount to religious discrimination because he says Muslims are trying to inject Shariah law into the U.S.

Shariah is a set of core principles that most Muslims recognize and a series of rulings from religious scholars. It covers many areas of life and different sects have different versions and interpretations of the code.
Asked if his view could lead any community to stand up in opposition to a proposed mosque, Cain replied, "They could say that." He pointed to opposition to the planned mosque in Murfreesboro, Tenn., as an example.
"Let's go back to the fundamental issue that the people are basically saying that they are objecting to," Cain said. "They are objecting to the fact that Islam is both religion and (a) set of laws, Shariah law. That's the difference between any one of our other traditional religions where it's just about religious purposes.

Cain's got a point, Islam isn't just a religion, it also consists of required law and seeks to establish a state within a state, and this shouldn't be allowed. It is about time someone came out and said the obvious.

Our laws state that their should be a separation between church and state, but Islam is a religion that refuses to separate church and state, so it essentially exists to override our own laws, and the principles our nation was founded on.

if a mosque is built on Private Property, then no, the community does not have the right to ban it. Unless you really want that can of worms opened. Then I'll start leading the charge to ban Christian Churches.

Private Property = None of your God @#$% business.

Originally posted by ollncasino


Congress has no right to oppose the building of Mosques (or to favor them), but the people have every right to.

The first Amendment clearly prohibits Congress from interfering in religious affairs but it doesn't appear to stop non Congressional bodies from doing so, including private citizens.

Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," the former Godfather's Pizza CEO said protests and legal challenges to a planned mosque in Tennessee city are an example of local residents pushing back.

old.news.yahoo.com...

A local referendum that is passed banning a religious building because of what what religion it is, is pretty unconstitutional, i am pretty sure. They could ban the building for another reason, but not simply because it is an Islamic mosque.

It's subordinate to the constitution, and if it did happen, and it was challenged and went to the SCOTUS, i bet it would be struck down as being unconstitutional.

I pretty sure citizens of a community could not decide to not let black people live there, or to expel all black people.

Muslims have little to no rights in our countries and the only reason they are here is to turn our countries into the hell hole their countries are in....yes.......read about the agenda behind this.