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A middle-aged nonentity, a political failure outstripped by history – by the millions of Arabs demanding freedom and democracy in the Middle East – died in Pakistan yesterday.
And then the world went mad.
Fresh from providing us with a copy of his birth certificate, the American President turned up in the middle of the night to provide us with a live-time death certificate for Osama bin Laden, killed in a town named after a major in the army of the old British Empire.
A single shot to the head, we were told.
But the body's secret flight to Afghanistan, an equally secret burial at sea?
The weird and creepy disposal of the body – no shrines, please – was almost as creepy as the man and his vicious organisation.
Quote from : Wikipedia : Osama bin Laden
Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden (Arabic: أسامة بن محمد بن عوض بن لادن, ʾUsāmah bin Muḥammad bin ʿAwaḍ bin Lādin; March 10, 1957 – May 2, 2011) was the founder of the jihadist organization al-Qaeda, responsible for the September 11 attacks on the United States and numerous other mass-casualty attacks against civilian and military targets.
He was also a member of the wealthy Saudi bin Laden family.
Bin Laden was on the American Federal Bureau of Investigation's lists of Ten Most Wanted Fugitives and Most Wanted Terrorists for his involvement in the 1998 US embassy bombings.
From 2001 to 2011, bin Laden and his organization had been major targets of the War on Terror.
On May 1, 2011, U.S. President Barack Obama ordered a raid of bin Laden's suspected location in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The operation was successfully carried out by United States Navy SEALs, with intelligence support from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
During the 40 minute raid, bin Laden was shot in the head by the SEALs, the wounds of which were fatal. The SEALs commenced with intelligence searches of the building after which his body was taken in to custody.
Genetic testing and facial recognition were performed to positively identify bin Laden and his body was deposited into the sea for burial less than 24 hours after death.
The date and time of bin Laden's death has come under some scrutiny but it is generally believed to be May 2, 2011.
Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
Until such time as I've seen his body dead in front of me it is "allegedly dead".
Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
Some have said Osama bin Laden is dead.
Some have said Osama bin Laden was already dead.
Some have said Osama bin Laden is not dead.
Who really knows though?
Until such time as I've seen his body dead in front of me it is "allegedly dead".
However, would the Muslim World rebel even further, or would it rejoice?
Originally posted by doom27
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
Hit the nail on the head, i won't believe it until i see it.
I feel he never even existed, or did exist but wasn't what the Media portrays him as.
We will just wait for the next Goldstein to appear.
And for now we wait to find out what we are being distracted from.
Amazon Review :
Steve Coll's Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001 offers revealing details of the CIA's involvement in the evolution of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in the years before the September 11 attacks.
From the beginning, Coll shows how the CIA's on-again, off-again engagement with Afghanistan after the end of the Soviet war left officials at Langley with inadequate resources and intelligence to appreciate the emerging power of the Taliban.
He also demonstrates how Afghanistan became a deadly playing field for international politics where Soviet, Pakistani, and U.S. agents armed and trained a succession of warring factions.
At the same time, the book, though opinionated, is not solely a critique of the agency. Coll balances accounts of CIA failures with the success stories, like the capture of Mir Amal Kasi.
Coll, managing editor for the Washington Post, covered Afghanistan from 1989 to 1992.
He demonstrates unprecedented access to records of White House meetings and to formerly classified material, and his command of Saudi, Pakistani, and Afghani politics is impressive.
He also provides a seeming insider's perspective on personalities like George Tenet, William Casey, and anti-terrorism czar, Richard Clarke ("who seemed to wield enormous power precisely because hardly anyone knew who he was or what exactly he did for a living").
Coll manages to weave his research into a narrative that sometimes has the feel of a Tom Clancy novel yet never crosses into excess.
While comprehensive, Coll's book may be hard going for those looking for a direct account of the events leading to the 9-11 attacks.
The CIA's 1998 engagement with bin Laden as a target for capture begins a full two-thirds of the way into Ghost Wars, only after a lengthy march through developments during the Carter, Reagan, and early Clinton Presidencies.
But this is not a critique of Coll's efforts; just a warning that some stamina is required to keep up.
Ghost Wars is a complex study of intelligence operations and an invaluable resource for those seeking a nuanced understanding of how a small band of extremists rose to inflict incalculable damage on American soil.
--Patrick O'Kelley
Publishers Weekly :
The bin Ladens are famous for spawning the world's foremost terrorist and building one of the Middle East's foremost corporate dynasties.
Pulitzer Prize–winner Coll (Ghost Wars) delivers a sprawling history of the multifaceted clan, paying special attention to its two most emblematic members.
Patriarch Mohamed's eldest son, Salem, was a caricature of the self-indulgent plutocrat: a flamboyant jet-setter dependent on the Saudi monarchy, obsessed with all things motorized (he died crashing his plane after a day's joy-riding atop motorcycle and dune-buggy) and forever tormenting his entourage with off-key karaoke.
Coll presents quite a contrast with an unusually nuanced profile of Salem's half-brother Osama, a shy, austere, devout man who nonetheless shares Salem's egomania.
Other bin Ladens crowd Coll's narrative with the eye-glazing details of their murky business deals, messy divorces and ill-advised perfume lines and pop CDs.
Beneath the clutter one discerns an engrossing portrait of a family torn between tradition and modernity, conformism and self-actualization, and desperately in search of its soul.
(April 1) Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc.
All rights reserved.
Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Also we have the guy on sky news from Pakistan security services saying the Pakistani government allowed the raid,while the American sources are saying the SEALs basically snuck in without asking....
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Also we have the guy on sky news from Pakistan security services saying the Pakistani government allowed the raid,while the American sources are saying the SEALs basically snuck in without asking....
I heard an interview on the radio. Forget who the guy was.
He said - - there was one of those "off the record" agreements between Pakistan and America - - - that US forces could do covert missions to apprehend criminals - - - but that the Pakistan government had the right of denial.
Bin Laden was a hero to many Pakistanis. It put the government in a precarious position.
Anyway - - - this does seem logical/probable to me.
Originally posted by doom27
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
Hit the nail on the head, i won't believe it until i see it.
I feel he never even existed, or did exist but wasn't what the Media portrays him as.
We will just wait for the next Goldstein to appear.
And for now we wait to find out what we are being distracted from.
Quote from : Wikipedia : al-Qaeda
Al-Qaeda (play /ælˈkaɪdə/ al-KY-də or /ælˈkeɪdə/ al-KAY-də; Arabic: القاعدة, al-qāʿidah, "the base" or "the database"), alternatively spelled al-Qaida and sometimes al-Qa'ida, is a militant Islamist group founded sometime between August 1988 and late 1989.
It operates as a network comprising both a multinational, stateless army and a radical Sunni Muslim movement calling for global Jihad.
Al-Qaeda has attacked civilian and military targets in various countries, most notably the September 11 attacks on New York City and Washington, D.C. in 2001.
The U.S. government responded by launching the War on Terror.
Al-Qaeda has continued to exist and grow through the decade from 2001 to 2011.
Characteristic techniques include suicide attacks and simultaneous bombings of different targets.
Activities ascribed to it may involve members of the movement, who have taken a pledge of loyalty to Osama bin Laden, or the much more numerous "al-Qaeda-linked" individuals who have undergone training in one of its camps in Afghanistan, Iraq or Sudan, but not taken any pledge.