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Originally posted by AngryOne
reply to post by Dendro
You misunderstood me; that is not what I was insinuating.
Basically, I am just of the opinion that if gays want equal treatment, they MUST learn to just back off and keep this to themselves.
Dragging children into it just seems like such an awful idea.
That is my opinion,make of it what you will.
Originally posted by JohnnyTHSeed
reply to post by AngryOne
I honestly can't see an issue with it.
They will be vetted by the same agencies that handle adoptions by heterosexuals, to make sure the child will be entering a healthy environment.
If you are referring to potential harassment the kid may receive from his peers, the problem exists with the bullies. Every kid eventually learns there are assholes in the world.
Originally posted by Varemia
Originally posted by AngryOne
reply to post by Dendro
You misunderstood me; that is not what I was insinuating.
Basically, I am just of the opinion that if gays want equal treatment, they MUST learn to just back off and keep this to themselves.
Dragging children into it just seems like such an awful idea.
That is my opinion,make of it what you will.
They would keep it to themselves if they could. The fact of the matter is that two homosexuals often fall in love and desire the ability to form a legal union that would allow them the ability to create a bond between each other just like heterosexuals have. It wouldn't be in your face if they simply had it already.
My sister has been living in California, and she can tell you just how normal it is to be gay over there. It's not a big deal at all to people in general once they allow it to be normal. If people would stop being so negative about it, gay people wouldn't have to enforce teaching of fairness and equality in schools or create penalties for jobs that discriminate based on sexual orientation.
What you're saying is that if you fell in love with a woman and wanted to get married, only to find that you couldn't marry her by law due to some religious bigots who said they thought your union was unnatural, you wouldn't consider fighting for your right to be with the woman you love?edit on 21-3-2011 by Varemia because: syntax
Originally posted by Dendro
reply to post by AngryOne
If the Civil Rights Movement "backed off" I wonder where we would be right now?
Not only that, but your whole argument for having the gay community cool it down for equal rights does not even fit with the topic of this thread and pretty much renders it moot. A corporation is the one saying that it can't properly hire qualified employees because the laws discriminate against those individuals.
Originally posted by AngryOne
With all due respect, I don't think it matters if you see an issue with it or not, nor am I convinced that my opinion is of much importance.
Originally posted by JohnnyTHSeed
Originally posted by AngryOne
With all due respect, I don't think it matters if you see an issue with it or not, nor am I convinced that my opinion is of much importance.
I was responding to your statement that I should be seeing something problematic with gays raising children. I stated why I don't see a problem with it, you obviously do and you speak of it as if it is readily apparent to any fool willing to look. Well, I'm looking - what is the problem?
Originally posted by Dendro
reply to post by AngryOne
Just because you claim an argument is strawmen but it doesn't make it true. Interracial marriages were illegal in the 1960s. If anything, the arguments are almost exact, just substitution of one group for another.
Originally posted by AngryOne
Completely serious question:Why bother?
This discussion is obviously going absolutely nowhere, so to hell with it.
Seriously, this ****ing sucks.
Shall we agree to disagree?
Yeah, and all I want is for the general population to just accept the gay community as is.
Originally posted by JohnnyTHSeed
Originally posted by AngryOne
Completely serious question:Why bother?
This discussion is obviously going absolutely nowhere, so to hell with it.
Seriously, this ****ing sucks.
Shall we agree to disagree?
I don't have a problem with how you feel towards gays. I would never debate your emotions or try to change them. But when you want to limit people's freedoms, like ban adoptions and surrogates for gays, you had better have a good reason IMO.
edit on 22-3-2011 by JohnnyTHSeed because: (no reason given)