Thousands of Students and Workers March the Streets of London Against Cuts. (ATS Citizen Journalist)

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


Actually, I think they do know what's going on. Yesterday's demo was very different to the others I have covered. These people are angry, organised and believe in something. Yes, there are people out for a ruck, but there are others who know how to play the police and bring about major disruption very quickly.

nobody will take the students seriously when they are behaving this way!

seriously!
why should tax payers fund them when theyre acting like this

reply to post by herschel


This isn't just students anymore. The unions are getting involved and the solidarity between workers and students regarding the age of austerity is cementing hard. When yesterday's protesters joined the Egyptian demonstrators, strong and remembered bonds were made. There is something of a movement developing between people from all creeds, colour, religion and political persuasion.

reply to post by LarryLove


Larry

you say they believe in 'something'?

Can you be more specific ?

What is it that they believe in collectively apart from protesting about something ?

Regards

PDUK

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


Being out there yesterday and on previous students demos, it isn't so much about cuts and tuition fees, but a belief that we are being lied to by government. The protesters - students, unionists alike are beginning to see this as class war and that was very evident yesterday.

Originally posted by LarryLove
but there are others who know how to play the police and bring about major disruption very quickly.

and WHO do you think funded their training ???
I would mention his name but I'm
liable to get banned

reply to post by LarryLove


Larry

Fairpoint, something which I think ATS members have thought for a while, BUT the problems we are facing up to now ARE because of the actions of the 'PREVIOUS' government which is conviently forgotten by the Unions and class wars twits who quite frankley haven't got a brain cell between them !!

We are all to eager to forget the history and whine about the present............. the only person in your life who is repsonsible for you is YOU...... a point lost on many (fit and able) in todays society...

Cheers
PDUK

reply to post by boondock-saint


Basic school of anarchy!

Don't mention the name Boon, we aren't going there! Large groups splitting quickly into smaller ones, thus dividing and stretching the police. Text messages between group leaders tell the others where to meet up and that will usually be a busy road junction. There is no defined route, just march through major streets and use side roads to evade police and join the splinter groups.

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


I agree, it was the fault of the previous government and capitalism gone rogue, but this coalition has to face it down. The March demo is the 'big' one in terms of what this year will bring. As I say, the anger is there; so too willingness to disrupt and cause violence.

reply to post by LarryLove


the previous government had faults but the current government has borrowed more money per day in power than any other government in the history of the uk, they have also bailed out the top shop owner to the sum of 25 billion and have doubled the amount of finances available to foreign aid, while adding an extra 5 or 2.5 (depends which way you look at it)per cent to vat.

anyway we shall see what ed miliband has to offer quite soon as most of the lib dem voters will now vote labour and i think that labour under milliband will be more like what we kind of thought the lib dems to be like in the past.

cameron is a joke and only has eyes for his rich freinds, the people will suffer and then they will riot, just like under thatcher

reply to post by LarryLove


Here let me put your foolishness at ease. The majority of posters on this board, and it seems you proudly count yourself among them, would not recognize and act of Jihad even if it resulted in the removal of your head. And even fewer are able to, even for one split second, look at events through the eyes of the 1,400 year old Jihad.

Instead of supporting assertions with historical fact as I have done, many on this forum employ everything from ephemeral NWO plots, invisible CIA agents, and extraterrestrial interventions as their "evidence".

1,400 years of Islamic expansionism through violent Jihad is not paranoia. Just a matter of military history.

reply to post by lewman


Lewman... are you for real ??

"the previous Government had faults but...."

The Previous Government Lewman were the ones who borrowed more and more (in TIMES of PLENTY) creating employment here and there and giving you the illusion of change whilst spending wildly...

The current Coalition has been given the Bastard child of finances because what do you do to decrease an ever increasing problem ??

You are correct, the last months borrowing was the highest on record BUT if you inherit a growing deficiet without an increasing tax take (ie a plummeting economy) then what do you suggest ???? Get a magician off the TV and 'magic' more money out of thin air ????
In the REAL world, things don't happen overnight, change has to take a little time.

You can slag off the current Coalition Government easily, you can shout that the Liberal vote will move..... Fantastic Lrewman... well done......... big man.....!!

Whats your solution because it aint easy mate finding one to the mess that we are currently in.....

It is easy however to make quick and easy politcal points and then not provide a solution..

I will be interested in your answer ...

Regards
PDUK

Originally posted by lewman
the previous government had faults but the current government has borrowed more money per day in power than any other government in the history of the uk,

Elaborate! If they have, it is a result of previous budgets. We haven't had a full budget from this Government yet!

Originally posted by lewman
they have also bailed out the top shop owner to the sum of 25 billion

Really? Please provide proof. Why would they bail out the owner of Top Shop for £25 Billion when the company isn't even worth a tenth of that. From what I have read, he seems to have avoided paying only £285 million in tax by using the old "non domicile" trick. A trick, I might add, that has been around since long before this Government took power and which the previous Government did bugger all to close.

Originally posted by lewman
and have doubled the amount of finances available to foreign aid,

I agree, foreign aid should be cut rather than increased, but it isn't all together a bad thing.

Originally posted by lewman
while adding an extra 5 or 2.5 (depends which way you look at it)per cent to vat.

They only added 2.5%, not 5%. Nice attempt at spin though Tony would be proud.

Originally posted by lewman
anyway we shall see what ed miliband has to offer quite soon as most of the lib dem voters will now vote labour and i think that labour under milliband will be more like what we kind of thought the lib dems to be like in the past.

Not alot, he has no policies and has an awful presence at the dispatch box when squaring off against Cameron or even that hopeless little muppet Clegg.

Originally posted by lewman
cameron is a joke and only has eyes for his rich freinds, the people will suffer and then they will riot, just like under thatcher

Yawn...Same old tired left-wing "they only loom after the rich". Not true. There are a raft of tax measures coming in that will actually see the take home pay of anyone under £42K go up! But, certain sections of the media don't like this as it doesn't jive with the fun they're having shooting at the Government.

Don't forget, Labour had 13 years to look after the poor and they did a right bang up job there didn't they!

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


Oh, be queit about bloody Jihad and Islam. This thread isn't about that! There are several active threads going on about this topic if you wish to continue there (oh, that's right, you did chime in but where shredded a new arsehole in the process)

reply to post by LarryLove


The roots of current economic issues go back further than the previous government. Thatcher broke the Unions and New Labour, Thatcher's bastard child, saw no point in any overt re-empowerment of the workforce.

Thanks for this Thread LarryLove, it's good to see members reporting events in this way.

To anyone wanting to join any upcoming marches/demos etc, protect yourselves. Keep this contact information with you;

Bust card
This is the text of the bust card which will be distributed on Mayday - make sure you get a copy.

IF YOU ARE ARRESTED ask why and note the numbers of the arresting officers.

At the police station you have the right: TO A SOLICITOR of your choice (free of charge) and to let somebody know you have been arrested.

TO REMAIN SILENT - There is NO requirement to talk to the police. We strongly advise that you say you are making "NO COMMENT" to police questions until you have spoken to a solicitor. Don't write a statement, don't sign a statement written by the police & don't sign any police notebook.

THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT DID NOT GET RID OF THE RIGHT TO SILENCE

It is in your interest to give the police a name & address. You don't have to give a date of birth but it may delay your release.
www.urban75.org...

And beware of police intelligence gathering activities. If you carry a placard provided by the Socialist Workers Party, remove the top strip of the placard that carries their name, you may not want to be permanently associated with a left-wing organisation that the PTB consider a major threat to the civil status quo.



As for the 'essential austerity measures', people may be more inclined to believe in them as a just and equitable policy if they applied right across the board and not just to the middle, lower middle, working and dependent classes.

reply to post by stumason


Why do wish for me to be silent? What is it about my factual linking of violent Jihad in the past with parallel events happening today that has you so upset.

It seems like you aren't even sure if Jihad is real.

And as far as I can tell, none of what I say with regards to the military history of the Islamic Jihad has ever been refuted. The corpses are piled too high.

Oh well, the Intifada will come to those who sit idle.

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


With respect, please leave this thread as it has nothing to do with Islam or any of the points you raise in your posts. I am always happy to debate opinion, but opinion based on the thread content.

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


I am asking you to move on, as it where, because what you are prattling about has no bearing with the discussion at hand. It's like joining a debate about Cheese and it's applications when all you have to offer is an opinion on the Hydrodynamics of Ocean currents.Totally unrelated!

Like I said, threads exist about your Jihad-phobia and you have participated in them, so you know where to find the debate you seek.

reply to post by teapot


Some good advice there Teapot.

You always gotta be on guard at these things. I had my fair share of trouble yesterday, but came away unhurt and a little bit more streetwise.

The thing with New Labour is that they never represented the working class voters that the party was set up to represent. Tony Bliar and Brown were just neo-libralists who cozied up to big business and the banks and turned their back on their reason to be. I'm afraid Ed Miliband is no better,.another career politician, who knows very little about the common man and woman in the uk.

With regards to the cuts, you have to question why the poor are being targeted the most. We definitely arn't all in this together, despite what they may tell you.