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Originally posted by stumason
What flawed logic! You assume because someone eats meat, they won't drink milk or esat eggs!
Originally posted by stumason
Also, that Soy milk you drink, processed crap. Not natural in the slightest and a modern invention that enables vegetenarianism, not proof we're naturally veggies.
Originally posted by The_Zomar
The amount of ignorance in this thread is unbelievable !
I've been a strict vegetarian for 7.5 years and I am completely healthy. In fact, I'm the healthiest I have ever been.
If humans were suppose to eat meat, then why do we have to cook it? Carnivores don't have to cook their meat.
Its obvious humans were meant to be vegetarian, and the only way to find out is to become one. You will quickly learn that it was the right thing to do as your health will actually improve.
And no, I don't need vitamins or supplements. It's very easy to get all the nutrients I need as a vegetarian. The BS that is wrote about vegetarians strangely originates from tyson and other companies, and you guys fall for it hook line and sinker. Makes me wonder what other BS you unquestionably believe.
I've been there, done the research, and became a vegetarian for close to a decade. Sorry, but I have more credentials than anyone in this thread and I call BS on all you.
Have fun with flesh rotting in your colon for months after you eat it, have more fun trying to argue it's the right way to go.edit on 22-1-2011 by The_Zomar because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Echtelion
Originally posted by spookfish
reply to post by Vandalour
The reason these hominids are our ancestors and not our contemporaries is precisely because they were vegetarian. If we had remained vegetarian we would still be living in the trees. Meat was necessary for the explosion in our brainsize.
Our nearest ancestor the Neanderthals hominids were vegan, and NO they were not living on tree branches. They were very social beings, living in caves for the most part.
Also there are still humans living in trees today and there's nothing wrong with that... They don't have regular internet access and a shopping mall nearby, but I don't see how it makes them less "evolved".
Originally posted by The_Zomar
Assuming again I see. I'm not playing a "See who gets the most B12" game, I was simply stating I can easily get the equivalent amount of B12 that is in 4 sirloins. Not having to consume meat was just a bonus.
Originally posted by The_Zomar
Evolution, anyone?
Originally posted by Gradius Maximus
Perhaps instead of denying the value of meat, we should be encouraging the practice of a balanced diet.
Originally posted by spookfish
Originally posted by Echtelion
Originally posted by spookfish
reply to post by Vandalour
The reason these hominids are our ancestors and not our contemporaries is precisely because they were vegetarian. If we had remained vegetarian we would still be living in the trees. Meat was necessary for the explosion in our brainsize.
Our nearest ancestor the Neanderthals hominids were vegan, and NO they were not living on tree branches. They were very social beings, living in caves for the most part.
Also there are still humans living in trees today and there's nothing wrong with that... They don't have regular internet access and a shopping mall nearby, but I don't see how it makes them less "evolved".
Firstly Neanderthals were vegan? Wow that's news to me because until relatively recently the exact opposite was the widely held belief. So your entire snipe falls apart there but lets continue. www.bbc.co.uk...
I never said anyone was living in tree branches. You've added your own slant there. Read my words not what your perceive to be my words. "We would still be living in the trees" is a phrase in the English language which is a descriptive catch all term to refer to the ancient apes before they came down from the trees and took up living in the savanna. This is way way before Neanderthals. My apologies if English is not your first language and you have difficulty with this concept. I promise to try harder to make things simpler and clearer.
As for your pathetic snipe about evolution, get over yourself. Where in the above statement you quoted have I mentioned 'evolution'. where have I mentioned internet access and shopping malls. Where have I even intimated that certain tribes and cultures are less evolved because they choose to make their homes in trees. I live in a stone house, it's basically a man made cave with a defendable back and front access point. So what who cares?
I see a pattern here. you like to snipe even though you are wrong on the facts. There's a nasty streak in you isn't there.
The gist of my post as can easily be gleaned while reading it is that meat allowed our brainsize to increase as it did with all other descendants who were coming down from the trees to venture onto the savannah. Millions of years later a few hominid species had evolved and they were all mainly meat eaters. We just happened to get lucky and be the ones whose brainsize had increased the most, hence the other species are now dead.
Jeez what's your damage?
Originally posted by Frontkjemper
As an ex health nut myself who used to work out on a regular basis who's life was bent on being "healthy", our bodies need a varied but balanced diet. Notice how many Vegans need to consume vitamin pills? That's because their bodies don't get it's recommended dietary needs through eating plants. Meaning that it's impossible for man to be "plant-eaters". Our ancestors would have perished from various deficiencies.
Besides, why do I have these neat canines if I wasn't meant to eat meat?
The American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada have stated that at all stages of life, a properly planned vegetarian diet is "healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provides health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases". Large-scale studies have shown that mortality from ischaemic heart disease was 30% lower among vegetarian men and 20% lower among vegetarian women than in non-vegetarians. Necessary nutrients, proteins, and amino acids for the body's sustenance can be found in vegetables, grains, nuts, soymilk, eggs and dairy. Vegetarian diets offer lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein, and higher levels of carbohydrates, fibre, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals.
Vegetarians tend to have lower body mass index, lower levels of cholesterol, lower blood pressure, and less incidence of heart disease, hypertension, type 2 diabetes, renal disease, osteoporosis, dementias such as Alzheimer’s disease and other disorders.
humans are more anatomically similar to herbivores, with long intestinal tracts and blunt teeth, unlike other omnivores and carnivores
an estimated one-third to one-half of all chicken meat marketed in the United States is contaminated with salmonella
Scientists begun to suspect that there is a similar connection between animal meat and human cancer, birth defects, mutations, and many other diseases in humans.
Since the human body preserves B12 and reuses it without destroying the substance, clinical evidence of B12 deficiency is uncommon.[46][47] The body can preserve stores of the vitamin for up to 30 years without needing its supplies to be replenished.
The production of meat and animal products for mass consumption, especially through factory farming, is environmentally unsustainable. According to a 2006 United Nations initiative, the livestock industry is one of the largest contributors to environmental degradation worldwide, and modern practices of raising animals for food contributes on a "massive scale" to air and water pollution, land degradation, climate change, and loss of biodiversity.
animal agriculture is a large source of greenhouse gases and is responsible for 18% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions as measured in CO2 equivalents. By comparison, all of the world's transportation (including all cars, trucks, buses, trains, ships, and planes) emits 13.5% of the CO2.
Teeth adapt to what you consume over long periods of time and evolution. Our canines have decreased in size over time
Originally posted by The_Zomar
Originally posted by Frontkjemper
As an ex health nut myself who used to work out on a regular basis who's life was bent on being "healthy", our bodies need a varied but balanced diet. Notice how many Vegans need to consume vitamin pills? That's because their bodies don't get it's recommended dietary needs through eating plants. Meaning that it's impossible for man to be "plant-eaters". Our ancestors would have perished from various deficiencies.
Besides, why do I have these neat canines if I wasn't meant to eat meat?
Omnivore - Vegetarian - Vegan
Omnivore and vegan diets are the extremes, while vegetarianism is the most balanced one can get.
And our teeth aren't nearly the same as carnivorous animals. Teeth adapt to what you consume over long periods of time and evolution. Our canines have decreased in size over timeedit on 22-1-2011 by The_Zomar because: (no reason given)