Jet Stream problems! This Is My 3rd Thread On This Subject! More Corroborative Evidence!

Man there are a lot of impatient people when it comes to weather.

Some have more training and experience regarding weather but no-one is the know-it-all they think they are. The first-hand experiences people have over the years counts for something -- enough to know at least whether the weather is following a usual trend or not. Coming up with a good reason for why the weather is the way it is is not so easy; even for the experts.

Without needing to get into hysteria, it is interesting and possibly very important that we try and get ahold of what is going on. While in a human lifetime we expect some consistency in weather, we know that in the lifetime of this earth the "weather" has gone from one extreme to the other. It is probably more important that we figure out where we are in big picture than why so that we might prepare.

The why aspect is probably beyond the capacity of even the best computers today to figure out; because inevitably you'd have to include everything from cycles of solar activity, unpredictable volcano action, ocean cycles .... and on and on.

So without getting in a panic, yes this fall has been different here in Southern Ontario, Canada. Where I live it is frigid temps more than snow, following a "tropical" summer. It has been different all over the globe all year. I don't care if this is a short-term cycle, long term cycle, or combination of those and a million other things. It is different. How different is it going to get before it cycles back? These are unknowns, but in my mind the cooling of oceans from melted ice water may be the biggest factor in the short term.

Take it from there ....

reply to post by discl0sur3


I´m an European. We already had that cold winters. Don´t think at this time, that anything is wrong about the Gulf Stream. It seems more to be a cycle.
I need some more minus degrees.

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Did you intend an ostrich metaphor? Im just asking, what if "this is it?. Any ideas on how one would prepare or cope with an ice age?

The one thing I think threads like this highlight is how some people on ATS can be completely convinced of their own "crazy theory", whether it be aliens or government mind control and turn around in someonelses thread and be contemptuous and dismissive.

Even if you don't agree with someone's premise, you should at least keep an open mind. I hate the people that are just, "nope not possible" and that is their entire response.

Originally posted by wisintel
The one thing I think threads like this highlight is how some people on ATS can be completely convinced of their own "crazy theory", whether it be aliens or government mind control and turn around in someonelses thread and be contemptuous and dismissive.

Even if you don't agree with someone's premise, you should at least keep an open mind. I hate the people that are just, "nope not possible" and that is their entire response.

Unfortunately, you always get people who are dismissive at the outset. If there is any balance to be made, Dr Zangari's idea is theoretical, although he did forecast this in the early part of 2010 based on his theory, perhaps some other expert can rationalise it all, and I would think to do that the amount of oil spilled would have to be known. The Met office has stated that the weather is due to the current position of the jet stream, because of a blocking system in the Atlantic cutting of the warmer westerlies to the UK. The effect is the same as if there was no gulf stream, (NAD) (not mentioned by the Met office), although the jet stream is affected by the gulf stream, or that they interact according to some. The jet stream was in a similar zig-zag last year as well and there was long term cold temperatures.

curious request --- since both 1990 and 91 have record 'blizzard' conditions (91 longer duration - both early Dec) in the EU, would one of you talented and less time constrained ppl post a satellite view of the GS during that time for comparison purposes ??? pretty please and thank you in advance.

This weather in Europe has being gone on for a while now. You have to ask yourself. Is the Jetsream/Gulfstream affecting this? Possibly! It affects the weather in the northern hempishere all the time. Has the Gulf Oil disaster affected the weather? Yes probably. (A Mini Iceage)
Was it designed to do this? Maybe. Ah yes there is a maybe. Because scientists that are not under the governments payroll have said yes, there is a great probability this is the problem. NWO influence. The Gulf Oil disaster a part of the NWO's plan to depopulate the southern part of the south US. Fact or fiction? Ask your neighbour? He or she is probably if not killed a formal resident of Louisiana. They are killing off the residents of the Gulf Coast. Prove it is not So!!

Originally posted by Honor93
curious request --- since both 1990 and 91 have record 'blizzard' conditions (91 longer duration - both early Dec) in the EU, would one of you talented and less time constrained ppl post a satellite view of the GS during that time for comparison purposes ??? pretty please and thank you in advance.

Here's a link that may lead you in the right direction. Unfortunately the links to historic data skip from 1989 to 1994.

goes.gsfc.nasa.gov...

Meanwhile, here's a data plot of the Dominant Pattern of Variability of the Sea-surface Height in the 1990s

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Caption for Item 1: Dominant Pattern of Variability of the Sea-surface Height in the 1990s

This image shows the dominant pattern of variability of the sea-surface height in the 1990s. The slope of the sea-surface height is in balance with ocean currents, much in the way weather maps of pressure relate to winds. The large blue region in the northern Atlantic represents a slowing of the counter-clockwise,
cyclonically circulating subpolar gyre. For this image, the researchers used TOPEX/Poseidon data, which has been combined with ERS-1/2 data into the NASA Pathfinder data set. The Pathfinder data set also includes the Seasat and Geosat data which are referenced to TOPEX/Poseidon data. The next few years will reveal how sea surface height is going to evolve as the altimetric time series continues with JASON-1 observations. Credit: Sirpa Hakkinen, NASA GSFC www.nasa.gov...

Is it also not a possibility that the Icelandic volcanic eruption which blew all that ash into the air could have affected the weather? Unusual weather patterns have followed volcanic eruptions in the past have they not?

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While this may be a change in the natural cycle I can't deny the correlation between the gulf and the extremely cold and untimely weather we've been having.

Wouldn't a change in the cycle be a gradual progression unlike what we are seeing?

YES and that is why it was also cold LAST winter.

Boy you guys have short memories.

It's not just Britain shivering as record snow hits China and South Korea
guardian.co.uk, Monday 4 January 2010 18.38 GMT

...the cold weather that is gripping much of the northern hemisphere, bringing freezing temperatures and record snowfalls to parts of north Asia, Europe and the US.

The punishing winter weather has brought transport chaos to China and South Korea and claimed at least 60 lives in northern and eastern India....

In Seoul a blizzard dumped more than 25cm of snow today – the heaviest snowfall since Korea began conducting meteorological surveys in 1937, the state weather agency said....

The US is also experiencing an unusually chilly winter, with cold and windy weather along the east coast and record low temperatures in southern states such as Georgia, Alabama and Florida...

Obama leaves the snow-covered Copenhagen summit just in time to catch the East Coast blizzard - 12/18/2009

Residents of Houston woke up to a surprise this morning. Snow fell over Houston Texas late last night, a very rare event for this southern - 12/4/2009

Several days of the coldest temperatures South Florida has seen in years are threatening to ruin orange groves, cucumber fields and tropical fish ponds across the state. - 1/22/2009

....we’ve had a series of cold fronts passing through the state of Florida in recent days....
Strawberry supplies will be tight throughout the industry for the next six to eight weeks. Florida is basically wiped out at the same time that Mexico is cool and rainy and California is cool with rain in the forecast... Florida tomatoes were also very hard hit in the most recent freeze this past weekend... East coast bunching greens were impacted by the freeze as well... - 1/13/2010 blog.wholefoodsmarket.com...

A brutal and historical cold snap has so far caused 80 deaths in South America, according to international news agencies. Temperatures have been much below normal for over a week in vast areas of the continent. In Chile, the Aysen region was affected early last week by the worst snowstorm in 30 year. The snow accumulation reached 5 feet in Balmaceda and the Army was called to rescue people trapped by the snow....

...It even snowed in the Chaco of Bolivia, one of warmest areas of South America, where the local population never saw snow before....

The snow was heavy even in Northern Argentina. In Santiago Del Estero, according to media reports, some areas experience snow for the first time in living memory. In the province of Tucuman, some town saw snow for the first time since 1921 (Gaceta de Tucuman newspaper).

...In Paraguay, at least nine people died due to the cold weather in only 3 days. Cattle were very affected and one thousand animals died of hypothermia...

In Central Brazil, in the tropics, the long streak of cold days was considered extremely rare. It was so cold that thousand of animals died in this region of Brazil known for its cattle... Source

Aid groups have described piles of dead animals and warned of Mongolian herdsmen fleeing to cities as the United Nations says a harsh winter has killed 1.7 million livestock...

The United Nations warned Monday that extreme winter weather that has killed more than 1 million livestock in Mongolia is likely to harm the country's food supply and worsen poverty.

Nineteen of Mongolia's 21 provinces have been hit by heavy winter snow and temperatures that have plunged below minus 40 degrees (minus 40 degrees Celsius)... www.mongoliaonline.com...

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Unfortunately, you always get people who are dismissive at the outset. If there is any balance to be made, Dr Zangari's idea is theoretical, although he did forecast this in the early part of 2010 based on his theory, perhaps some other expert can rationalise it all, and I would think to do that the amount of oil spilled would have to be known. The Met office has stated that the weather is due to the current position of the jet stream.....

To me Dr Zangari's idea is spin. I have two reasons to think this:

Meet The SpinMeister

He is one scary dude. He is the propagandist working for TPTB. Note his membership in the Council on Foreign Relations.

Stan Greenberg of Greenberg Carville Shrum. Greenberg Carville Shrum directed Campaigns in 60 countries (including Tony Blair in the UK) and was also responsible for the Bolivia fiasco. Stan Greenberg “...specializes in research on globalization, international trade...” 216.92.66.74...

If you do not understand what "globalization and international trade" I suggest you hear/read Dan Estulin's Speech

“He was also a strategic consultant to the Climate Center of the Natural Resources Defense Council on its multi-year campaign on global warming......NGO board memberships include... the Council on Foreign Relations,....... Republican pollster Frank Luntz says "Stan Greenberg scares the hell out of me. He doesn't just have a finger on the people's pulse; he's got an IV injected into it.” Source

Stanley Greenberg: Greenberg's work for private sector organizations - including major corporations, trade associations and public interest organizations - focuses on managing change and reform....

Greenberg has conducted extensive research in Europe (particularly Great Britain, Germany and France), Central and South America (Argentina and Brazil), and Africa (South Africa).

He specializes in research on globalization, international trade, corporate consolidation, technology and the Internet.

For organizations, Greenberg has helped manage and frame a number of issues - including education, school financing, American identity, the economy, environmental regulation, international trade, managed care, biotechnology, copyrights, privacy and the Internet....

Greenberg has advised a broad range of political campaigns, including those of President Bill Clinton and Vice-President Al Gore, Senators Chris Dodd, Joe Lieberman and Jeff Bingaman; Governor Jim Florio and gubernatorial candidate, Andy Young; former Vice-President Walter Mondale; and a number of candidates for the U.S. Congress.... Source

THAT is the guy whose propaganda we have been bombarded with for years. WHY? The Short answer MONEY, the long answer POWER

SECOND: PREDICTIONS

First Gleissberg (1939 & 1971) identified an 88 yr cycle in the weather patterns a half century ago. JUST before Maurice Strong started shouting Global Warming at the First Earth Summit in 1972. www.agu.org...

Yousef forecast a return to solar minimum conditions back in 1995.

Shahinaz M. Yousef of Department of Astronomy, Faculty of Science, Cairo University, Cairo, Egypt, forecast, in 1995 and 1996, that cycles 23 and the following two to three solar cycles are expected to be weak cycles similar to those cycles that occurred around 1800 and 1900. [cycle 23 was weaker than 21 &22 and cycle 24 hasn't gotten out of the basement yet] www.solen.info...

Implications of Gleissberg cycle www.cosis.net...

US Congress 2006:
www.aip.org.au...

 Milankovitch Cycles - Gravitational forces modulate these cycles related to Earth's eccentricity, obliquity, and precession.

 Solar Cycles - Magnetic cycles internal to the Sun regulate frequencies of 27 days, 11 years (Schwabe cycle), 88 years (Gleissberg cycle), and 208 years (Suess cycle).

Milankovitch Cycles

..When Fourier analysis was applied to deep-sea records in 1975, it emerged that the oxygen-isotope series contained strong cycles with periods near 100,000 years, 41,000 years, and 23,000 years. These are precisely the periods expected if Earth's eccentricity, obliquity, and precession govern ice-age climates, as proposed by Milankovitch Theory. Thus, there could be no more doubt that orbital elements had to be considered as important drivers of climate on long time scales....” earthguide.ucsd.edu...

And just to throw a scare into you

Lesson from the past: present insolation minimum holds potential for glacial inception [Solar insolation is the quantification of energy per surface area on the ground]

“These predictions are based on continuously increasing anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions and on the orbital forcing that will provide only muted insolation variations for the next 50 ka. To assess the potential climate development without human interference, we analyse climate proxy records from Europe and the North Atlantic of Marine Isotope Stage (MIS) 11 (423–362 ka BP), an interval when insolation variations show a strong linear correlation with those of the recent past and the future. This analysis suggests that the insolation minimum at 397 ka BP, which provides the best available analogue to the present insolation minimum, terminated interglacial conditions in Europe. At that time, tundra–steppe vegetation spread in Central Europe and pine forests dominated in the eastern Mediterranean region. Because the intensities of the 397 ka BP and present insolation minima are very similar, we conclude that under natural boundary conditions the present insolation minimum holds the potential to terminate the Holocene interglacial. Our findings support the Ruddiman hypothesis [Ruddiman, W., 2003. The Anthropogenic Greenhouse Era began thousands of years ago. Climate Change 61, 261–293], which proposes that early anthropogenic greenhouse gas emission prevented the inception of a glacial that would otherwise already have started...
www.sciencedirect.com... 1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=cb1e6a13c78265cfe621ac4fdeb8f7d3

So whats With the Sun?

Sami Solanki, Professor at the Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich Switzerland, says the Sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years than over the previous 1090 years. www.swissinfo.ch...

Solar activity reaches new high - Dec 2, 2003 physicsworld.com...

" Geophysicists in Finland and Germany have calculated that the Sun is more magnetically active now than it has been for over a 1000 years. Ilya Usoskin and colleagues at the University of Oulu and the Max-Planck Institute for Aeronomy say that their technique – which relies on a radioactive dating technique - is the first direct quantitative reconstruction of solar activity based on physical, rather than statistical, models (I G Usoskin et al. 2003 Phys. Rev. Lett. 91 211101)

Solar Cycle 24

...SDO is going to launch during the deepest solar minimum in almost 100 years....

...All stars are variable at some level, and the sun is no exception. We want to compare the sun's brightness now to its brightness during previous minima and ask: is the sun getting brighter or dimmer?"

The answer seems to be dimmer. Measurements by a variety of spacecraft indicate a 12-year lessening of the sun's "irradiance" by about 0.02% at visible wavelengths and 6% at EUV wavelengths. These results, which compare the solar minimum of 2008-09 to the previous minimum of 1996, are still very preliminary...nasa-information.blogspot.com...

I think variations in that big nuclear power plant in the sky trumps a tiny oil slick on earth but TPTB do not want anyone to understand that. They are still hoping to get control of energy. It is the last of the control strings. They already have Money and thanks to a new law passed in the USA they just got complete control of Food, Energy is last.

Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world. – Henry Kissinger

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Is it also not a possibility that the Icelandic volcanic eruption which blew all that ash into the air could have affected the weather? Unusual weather patterns have followed volcanic eruptions in the past have they not?

Good question. But it seems the ashes spewed by Ejafyallajokull in Iceland did not have such a big impact on our atmospehere:

Earth's stratosphere is as clear as it's been in more than 50 years. University of Colorado climate scientist Richard Keen knows this because he's been watching lunar eclipses. "Since 1996, lunar eclipses have been bright, which means the stratosphere is relatively clear of volcanic aerosols. This is the longest period with a clear stratosphere since before 1960." Consider the following comparison of a lunar eclipse observed in 1992 after the Philippine volcano Pinatubo spewed millions of tons of gas and ash into the atmosphere vs. an "all-clear" eclipse in 2003 (image follows)

spaceweather

Thus for this time no trouble with ashes!

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And to complete the story:

This is timely and important because the state of the stratosphere affects climate; a clear stratosphere "lets the sunshine in" to warm the Earth below. At a 2008 SORCE conference Keen reported that "The lunar eclipse record indicates a clear stratosphere over the past decade, and that this has contributed about 0.2 degrees to recent warming." Keen predicted the appearance of this morning's eclipse: "The stratosphere is still fairly clear, and the December 21, 2010, eclipse should be normally bright.

Still from www.spaceweather.com...

reply to post by discl0sur3

Very well said. There are MANY factors that play into this scenario including the Planet X theory which, much to my surprise, hasn't been mentioned thus far.

IMHO Planet X/Nibiru is just BS. It's true astronomers are finding evidence of unknown celestial bodies in our galactic neighbourhood and that the whole matter is just moving the first steps towards partial understanding of the mechanics ruling the universe. But a planet or the omni-present brown dwarf...well I would exclude that.
While it is true that many other planets of our solar system are experiencing climate changes (which could also be cyclic, who can say the opposite?), I would rather focus on something else: as someone else already posted, last year we had a very wild winter in other places of Earth (China, USA); are we finally going to stop this crap called GLOBAL WARMING? Is it possible that a raise of CO2, a gas that account for the 0,039% in the whole atmposphere, can provoke such a shift in temperatures (some says up to 6/7 degrees Celsius in the next 30 years)? It's seems at least difficult to accept...

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The stratosphere may be "clear" (not polluted) but CLOUD cover is on the increase, reflecting sunlight back into space. This is measured by the Earthshine Project" so it is a direct measure of the change in global albedo and not a calculation from measurement of cloud cover of various types at different heights.

...During the late 20th century warming spell global cloudiness decreased as did global albedo (reflectivity as seen from space) which is consistent with poleward shifting jets but the Earthshine project now shows us that both global cloudiness and global albedo are increasing again since the late 90s which is now coming to be seen as the start of a cooling period despite the recent warmth in the troposphere as some ocean heat content was discharged to the air....
bbso.njit.edu...

They even connect in the shifting of the jet stream due to changes in global albedo. Changes in albedo will change the amount of energy received by the sun.

The Sun seems very quite right now, and the colour seems darker than usual, maybe its on a break ?

How old is the universe? How old is the earth? how old are you // will you live to be?

The weather is a bit crap at the moment, but we have people reporting worse conditions in the 1960's.
What is unusual to us may just be a normal process in the grand scheme of things. I mean, wasn't there a documented mini ice age a few hundreds years ago?

It's like earthquakes, people are all going on about how there seems to be an unusual amount of earthquakes recently, maybe there is, maybe its just reported more, but whats to say it isn't normal?

Personally I think this is just a normal run of the mill process for the earth, summer will come again, we will get the "oh wasn't it unusually warm" crowd saying their piece and then winter will hit again.

So much about nature and our planet we don't know about.

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The Sun seems very quite right now, and the colour seems darker than usual, maybe its on a break ?

Yes that is because the sun is a VARIABLE star, that means it changes. The cycles have been known for decades. They were first identified 200 yrs ago by William Herschel.

Shahinaz M. Yousef, Department of Astronomy, Cairo University, used those cycles to predict, in 1995, that cycles 23 and the following two to three solar cycles are expected to be weak cycles similar to those cycles that occurred around 1800 and 1900. Cycle 23 was weaker than 21 & 22 and Cycle 24 is in a real funk.

NASA (Dr David Hathaway) following the AGW dogma, really flubbed the predictions. Chart of NASA predictions vs reality

Here is what other scientist have said:
Sami Solanki, Professor at the Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich Switzerland, says the Sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years than over the previous 1090 years.

Ilya Usoskin and colleagues at University of Oulu and Max-Planck Institute have calculated that the Sun is more magnetically active now than it has been for over a 1000 years.
their technique – which relies on a radioactive dating technique - is the first direct quantitative reconstruction of solar activity based on physical, rather than statistical, models (I G Usoskin et al. 2003 Phys. Rev. Lett. 91 211101)

Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic

...Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ca 11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3° C above 20th century averages....

As summer solar energy decreased in the second half of the Holocene, glaciers reestablished or advanced, sea ice expanded, and the flow of warm Atlantic water into the Arctic Ocean diminished. Late Holocene cooling reached its nadir during the Little Ice Age (about 1250-1850 AD), when sun-blocking volcanic eruptions and perhaps other causes added to the orbital cooling, allowing most Arctic glaciers to reach their maximum Holocene extent...

Here is the Greenland Ice Core GRAPH showing the 3C temperature drop.

Note there is only a 10 degree difference between interglacial and Ice Age conditions.

If you look at the Vostok Ice Core GRAPH you see there is a 4 to 8C difference. Also evident is the long stable temperature during the Holocene (far right) compared to the other interglacials. It is also evident from this graph that Ice Ages are the typical condition of the earth.


This is a close-up of the transition out of the last Ice Age. Again it shows the 10C difference and a "fast " transition. GRAPH

reply to post by crimvelvet

Hi Crime,
Thanks for the imput, I hope all on this thread can appreciate your post. Some of it I know about, much of the rest I am just on the periphery, and much of what we hear of is just spin. One thing that struck me though, was that here in the UK, in the first cycle of very cold weather, was the completeness of the thaw which was overnight not over day, and I'm not talking about soft snow it was hard packed granular snow and ice and it was all but gone, even in the mountains. Talked to my sister who lives in a different part of the UK, and she came up with the same story in amazement. Now, I have lived in between eight decades and seen much more snow than is current, but I have never seen a thaw as swift in prevailing low temperatures.

Take heed "It's just a couple of flakes" crowd:

From
The Jet Stream Really IS Acting Freaky!
by jennybee35
started on 12/22/2010 @ 09:54 PM
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How A Freak Diversion Of The Jet Stream Is Paralysing The Globe With Freezing Conditions
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