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Were we not the first to condemn Charlie Rangel, here in this very forum? Did we not participate in the Michael Brea thread while all the facts were still coming out? These are real issues, critical of real Masons, and we didn't shy away from them nor defend the actions of the men involved.
Originally posted by Animal
Sadly your point is old hat here mate. Still you are 100% correct. The Masons on ATS can abide NO conspiratorial conversation regarding Free Masonry.
I guess you have it down to a science.
Masonry, then, is a system of religious philosophy in that it provides us with a doctrine of the universe and of our place in it. It indicates whence we are come and whither we may return.
It has two purposes. Its first purpose is to show that man has fallen away from a high and holy centre to the circumference or externalized condition in which we now live; to indicate that those who so desire may regain that centre by finding the centre in ourselves, for, since Deity is as a circle whose centre is everywhere, it follows that a divine centre, a "vital and immortal principle," exists within ourselves by developing which we may hope to regain our lost and primal stature.
The second purpose of the Craft doctrine is to declare the way by which that centre may be found within ourselves, and this teaching is embodied in the discipline and ordeals delineated in the three degrees. The Masonic doctrine of the Centre—or, in other words, the Christian axiom that "the Kingdom of Heaven is within you"—is nowhere better stated than by the poet Browning:
"Truth is within ourselves.
It takes no rise
From outward things,
whate’er you may believe.
There is an inmost centre in ourselves
Where truth abides in fullness; and to know
Rather consists in finding out a way
Whence the imprisoned splendour may escape
Than by effecting entrance for a light
Supposed to be without."
There are three great duties, which, as a Mason, you are strictly to observe and inculcate--to God, your neighbor, and yourself. To God, in never mentioning His name but with that reverential awe which is due from a creature to his Creator; to implore His aid in all your laudable undertakings, and to esteem Him as your chief good. To your neighbor, in acting upon the square, and doing unto him as you would he should do unto you: and to yourself, in avoiding all irregularity and intemperance, which may impair your facilities or debase the dignity of your profession. A zealous attachment to these duties will insure public and private esteem.
Originally posted by kallisti36
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
Arrrgggghh you are deliberately going off topic. I'm on to you and your dastardly schemes
Originally posted by KSigMason
The Masons post sources and facts in most threads. Most conspiracies are based on stereotypes, hoaxes, lies, and prejudices. Both sides debate back and forth, but now you complain over some perception that the other side is losing? Its remarkable how so many have double standards. Its funny how so many here say they are for freedom and so on, but from many of those same voices I've seen comments leading to the death of Freemasons via extermination/genocide. I've been called so many names that I stopped counting.
reply to post by Schrödinger
And thank you for your one liner that brought so much light to the discussion.
Originally posted by kallisti36
reply to post by kallisti36
This isn't about how you guys eat babies, it's about how you guys work together to derail threads.
Originally posted by kallisti36
This is a real conspiracy here. You guys are always on the scene ready to destroy a thread about the secrets of Masonry that you might not even be aware of.
Originally posted by kallisti36
You star each others' posts, have your inside jokes, and take the thread so far off topic that it becomes useless.
Originally posted by kallisti36
If there are secrets about Masonry, I want to know them.
Originally posted by kallisti36
I'm pointing out that loyal members of a secret society are not good sources of information if the charges against their organization are severe.
Originally posted by kallisti36
Taxil... uggghh you guys always bring up Taxil, so does Wikipedia infact. Anything anti-mason comes up and so does Taxil. Taxil was a mason and I've seen good arguments that he was a straw man.
Originally posted by kwakakev
The truthers for 9/11 are kicking ass here.
Originally posted by kwakakev
One recommendation is to include a red 'X' along with the stars to gauge disapproval of comments as well. Similar to how the Yahoo Q & A forums. This way comments that are clearly against public opinion can be sent into the background of the core debate. Still accessible, but reduces the thread clutter.
Where did I quote Taxil? The quote I took from Pike was from his writings. You don't even need the Taxil 'hoax' to show how bad Pike was. The man was a Confederate war criminal and there is quite a bit of evidence that he, along with Nathan Bedford Forrest (another war criminal), helped found the KKK. Forrest was a racist and an elitist, traits common to the KKK, but the structure and style of the KKK indicates occultism that Forrest was not involved in (as far as I know). The KKK burn crosses, wear pointed hoods very similar to ritual ceremonies in traditional Roman Catholic areas, and have odd titles like Grand Wizard and such. One of the founders had to have experience with the structure of secret societies in the founding of the KKK, the organization reaks of it. All beligerant racism aside, they operate very similarily with to the Masons, from dues to clandestine meetings, weird rituals, and grandiose titles.
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by kallisti36
it sounds like your real problem is you don't feel like you are getting enough stars.
The only reason I brought up Taxil is that you quoted him. he admitted he lied. I am not sure what kind of brain you have, but you deserve to live in the world where Schnoebelen and Taxil provide your information. Remain bilssfull.
Originally posted by Animal
reply to post by kallisti36
Sadly your point is old hat here mate. Still you are 100% correct. The Masons on ATS can abide NO conspiratorial conversation regarding Free Masonry.
Originally posted by Animal
To them the topic is deathly serious and every attempt made to discuss the 'what-if' is a slight to their fraternity.
Originally posted by Animal
In the end it has completely debilitated what would have been my favorite forum on ATS. Some would say it is merely to inform the masses, that they are only the missionaries of masonry; other would have you believe they are simply defending their brotherhood; others would have you believe it a conspiracy. Me, I just find it rather boring.
This is appreciated. Though to me Rangel seems to have been acting of his own accord. I don't like it when people talk about his corruption they refer to him as "Freemason Charlie Rangel". That's like saying "Canadian Justin Bieber", as though an individual can't be terrible by themselves. I don't think an individual should be used to slam a group of people unless he/she represents them (like Pike) or there are ties to a larger conspiracy (like Jack the Ripper).
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Were we not the first to condemn Charlie Rangel, here in this very forum? Did we not participate in the Michael Brea thread while all the facts were still coming out? These are real issues, critical of real Masons, and we didn't shy away from them nor defend the actions of the men involved.
Originally posted by Animal
Sadly your point is old hat here mate. Still you are 100% correct. The Masons on ATS can abide NO conspiratorial conversation regarding Free Masonry.
What we DON'T like is the endless repetition of century old hoaxes... We're tired of having to defend Pike quotes taken out of context.
Show us real CURRENT EVENTS involving actual Masons. That's what this forum needs. Not rehashing the same stuff with the same YouTube clips and no actual foundation for accusations.edit on 2010.12.20 by JoshNorton because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Originally posted by kwakakev
The truthers for 9/11 are kicking ass here.
Thanks for the best laugh I've had in a while. But I digress.
Originally posted by kwakakev
One recommendation is to include a red 'X' along with the stars to gauge disapproval of comments as well. Similar to how the Yahoo Q & A forums. This way comments that are clearly against public opinion can be sent into the background of the core debate. Still accessible, but reduces the thread clutter.
Easier to just compare the respective starring for posts on opposite sides of an argument. If there's really that much support against what Masons say, it'd show would it not?
Except it WASN'T Pike. No such address was ever given by Pike. He wasn't even in France the day of that supposed address that you quoted. Taxil wrote it, and claimed it was something Pike had said. End of story.
Originally posted by kallisti36
Where did I quote Taxil? The quote I took from Pike was from his writings.
Nope, the only "evidence" is that his name shows up in one book. Source
The man was a Confederate war criminal and there is quite a bit of evidence that he, along with Nathan Bedford Forrest (another war criminal), helped found the KKK.
Catholicism has weird rituals and grandiose titles. So does Congress.
All beligerant racism aside, they operate very similarily with to the Masons, from dues to clandestine meetings, weird rituals, and grandiose titles.