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Originally posted by jibeho
Let's all move to a predominantly muslim nation and complain of the offensive islamic call to prayer (adhan) that is howled throughout every village 5 times a day. I don''t think that would go over to well.
Originally posted by nenothtu
That in no way explains or answers the question. The question was: "Why the hell did you ever let that happen?"
Originally posted by nenothtu
As it stands right now, I'm legally allowed to hate pretty much anyone I want to. I personally am pretty much an equal opportunity hater - I hate everyone equally. Thought-crime is still a little ways off here, but it's agreed that it's getting closer. They already grumble about something called a "hate crime" here, as if it were really illegal, and as if there were something that could be classed a "love crime". Don't ALL crimes involve some degree of hate?
Originally posted by nenothtu
As you are well aware, "incitement" to do something is far and away different from mowing your lawn, and singing as you do it. Incitement generally pertains to talking someone else into doing what you yourself may not have the testicular fortitude to do. This gent, as I understand it, was mowing his lawn and singing all by himself.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Restrictions, yes, absence, no. It's understood pretty well around here that I can express myself any old way I'd like, as long as I do it on my own place. I can't however, go to the middle of town and express my displeasure by physically harming anyone. I can offend the hell out of them, and do so on a regular basis. They can offend me right back, and also frequently do so. Sometimes, it works the other way 'round, and they are "first-offenders". That's OK, too. We have an understanding like that.
I'm also pretty sure that if someone spent their time in their front garden, shouting racially provocative slogans inciting racial hatred against black people, then measures would be taken to put a stop to it. Even if it was just locking the guy up in a mental institution.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Uh, no. It doesn't cross the line until translated to action that causes physical injury or has real potential to cause imminent physical injury to another. We can holler all day long, and many do - of all races. Blacks around here are just as likely to get in on the fun as whites. Every Friday, there's a black muslim guy stands on the street corner on the next block down from my block talking all kinds of trash to passing folks. Long as it's just talk, I'm ok with it. Better nobody bother him when I'm around - and I'm usually SOMEWHERE around. I'd have to get active if anyone were to start chucking rocks - in either direction. He's actually a lot of fun to disagree with.
Originally posted by jibeho
Let's all move to a predominantly muslim nation and complain of the offensive islamic call to prayer (adhan) that is howled throughout every village 5 times a day. I don''t think that would go over to well.
The men reportedly accused the 63-year-old of having tried to mock and imitate the call of the Muezzin. The daily paper writes the Austrian was fined 800 Euros after judges ruled he could have tried to offend them and ridicule their belief. The Muslims, whose nationalities were not revealed by the report, were right in the middle of a prayer when the Austrian started to yodel.
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Originally posted by jibeho
Let's all move to a predominantly muslim nation and complain of the offensive islamic call to prayer (adhan) that is howled throughout every village 5 times a day. I don''t think that would go over to well.
What has that got to do with this thread ?
This thread is about a case in Austria, involving Austrian citizens, that has been adjudicated on under Austrian law.
Originally posted by jibeho
Just a quick attempt to put the shoe on the other foot. Austrians often yodel as do the Swiss. The muslims were claiming to be offended by the yodeler and not bothered by the nuisance noise of the yodel itself.
Originally posted by jibeho
I move to a muslim nation I should expect the adhan to be shrieked from the minarets five times a day.
Originally posted by randomname
you know what offends me about muslims, not all of them, just the bad ones: crashing airplanes into skyscrapers.
Originally posted by Vortiki
I like to believe I am fairly tolerant of other cultures, but this is just way out of hand. Is the entire planet supposed to bend over backwards for one religious group? I'M offended that guy got fined because of those muslim folk. Since he got fined for offending them, shouldn't THEY get fined for offending me? Or are they so special that the rules don't apply to them? Where does the idiocy and madness end?
Originally posted by kyred
reply to post by dolphinfan
Heh! Yodeling offends me, too! And I'm not a Muslim.
Of course, Muslims' calls to prayers offend me, too. It makes me think they might be making fun of yodeling Austrians.
Originally posted by fonenyc
Islam and Shia Law will rule the world one day
and its funny, because someone told me Islam was created as the opponent of Xtianity which was created as the opponent to Judaism; all of which was a scenario created by Julius Caesar in his self imposed exile to fulfill HIS blueprint known as the NWO.
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Free expression has limits, unless you'd think it acceptable for me, next time I'm in a US airport, to continually express myself in a manner along the lines of: ''I've got a bomb''.
How far will that ''free expression'' get me ?
So if you want to hate on, shall we say, the POTUS, and you scream your hatred at him outside the Whitehouse, and you put up websites, post blogs and youtube videos conveying the same message, do you think that you would be free to do so ?
How's that ''free expression'' working out for you over there ?
As I say. I'm not sure of the Austrian laws that surround this issue, but one thing seems apparent to me; the judge ruled that his yodelling was a deliberate attempt to mock the Muslim call of prayer of his neighbours.
I'm sure that is why he was fined.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Restrictions, yes, absence, no. It's understood pretty well around here that I can express myself any old way I'd like, as long as I do it on my own place. I can't however, go to the middle of town and express my displeasure by physically harming anyone. I can offend the hell out of them, and do so on a regular basis. They can offend me right back, and also frequently do so. Sometimes, it works the other way 'round, and they are "first-offenders". That's OK, too. We have an understanding like that.
Again, I'm going to invite you to go into the middle of town and preach hatred against the POTUS.
I'm sure LEOs will just wave at you as they pass, while you're exercising your 'rights'.
If someone was spewing all sorts of racial hatred and incitement from their front garden, then I'm sure that some agency would get involved to put a stop to that.
Don't you have a similar crime to ''breaching the peace'' over there ?