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Originally posted by GobbledokTChipeater
Originally posted by demonseed
#3 Fire does not cause buildings to collapse!
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Im not going to barrage you with explanations or theories, but contrary to conspiracy belief, this is NOT the first time a building collapsed due to fire.
Prior to 9/11, no steel-framed building had ever collapsed due to fires. Ever!
Originally posted by demonseed
1) Towers 1 and 2 fell due to the impact. The weight of the above floors would easily cause the floors below to give way. If this was a stone structure like a pyramid then sure, it would not collapse this way. But because the floors only hold enough weight to hold "ONE" floor above, having 30+ stories fall will give way and cause a systematic pancake collapse. This is not an outrageous claim and is easily understandable. I never fully believed this was a controlled demolition(poofs of smoke dont indicate a controlled demolition) but my earlier beliefs of WTC 7 caused me to investigate this further. However, looking at it now Towers 1 and 2 fell exactly as they should have.
What?? Are you really saying that the bottom floor (or any other floor) only holds enough weight to hold the floor above it? Then WTF holds up the rest of the floors above it?
You say it is easily understandable. I say you are gullible.
The fact is that the lower floors held up the above floors just fine before the collapse. The weight of the building didn't increase, so why were the lower floors suddenly incapable of holding up the same weight?
I think you need to either do some more research, or stop researching altogether
Or maybe you are pretending to support the OS so you can make it look bad from the inside-out. In which case, thumbs up!edit on 20/11/10 by GobbledokTChipeater because: ?
Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
"I don't claim to know everything about what went on, but a building doesn't get hit by a plane, burn for upwards of an hour, and then have nothing happen to it."
Watch out! A one hour fire caused the global collapse of two decrepit asbestos filled cash draining modern skyscrapers which were designed to withstand multiple airliner strikes, hurricane force winds and earthquakes. Yep...they designed those buildings to withstand cataclysmic natural disasters, but a one hour oxygen starved fire was enough to turn them into complete dust. I can see your point.
By the way, we won't mention the three hour fire which occurred in the North Tower in 1975; a fire which apparently burned hotter than the one on 9/11 and caused little structural damage to the building.
whatreallyhappened.com...
Oh, and the bit about the steel section of the Windsor Tower not collapsing?
edit on 21-11-2010 by roboe because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by demonseed
If you told me that aliens fired a laser beam to bring down the building, i would believe that over explosives.
Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by demonseed
First of all, the building didn't collapse, rather a small section did and only after 18+ hours of intense fire that was tantamount to an inferno. The building however remained erect and did not collapse and even that one little section certainly didn't collapse after a little over an hour, in spite of the fact that the fire was much hotter and enveloped much more of the building.
As far as thermitic material at the WTC, many people believe that thermitic material could have been used because that is the consensus among every single scientist who has thus far looked into the issue of whether explosives were used, at least those who have since gone public with their findings. Furthermore, there has been a peer-reviewed scientific study on the findings. I do however realize that you probably don't know what that means, though the peer-review process is extremely rigorous and only the research that is thorough, accurate and correct can pass the consensus of anonymous experts in the particular field, thus becomes published in the respective scientific journal. This paper or the research has not even so much as been countered by any other scientist and instead, it has been completely ignored by the media and truster scientists alike. If you can't beat it, ignore it and hopefully it will go away.
People didn't just pull thermite out of their butts. In fact, the thermitic material research is harder evidence and much more of an explanation than what TPTB have ever provided concerning 9/11. Some people don't mind just blindly believing the authorities and throwing both logic and reason out of the window, but the rest of us require some kind of evidence before, factual evidence before just going along with extraordinary claim.
--airspoon
reply to post by kix
I don't think that it really matters, as your comment was directed towards someone who based his/her opinion almost entirely on flawed facts and logic, then still stands by that opinion after it was all debunked. Some things were pretty self explanatory, such as a multiple story building being able to hold the weight of more than one "floor" above another and other things which could have been dispelled after a minimal amount of research, such as the TSA and pancake theory. Also, logic that my young son has already developed, such as the fact that established scientific studies based on factual evidence are more founded in reality and far more probable than some random event pulled out of a hat, concerning this statement:
Originally posted by demonseed
If you told me that aliens fired a laser beam to bring down the building, i would believe that over explosives.
That statement was in the face of the fact that a consensus of scientists and experts in the field have found evidence of nano-engineered thermitic material, then published a scientific paper on the issue that was peer-reviewed and which has not yet been countered in any viable manner. Do you really think that you can talk sense into someone who would believe in an alien death ray, over accepted science?
Hardly...
--airspoonedit on 21-11-2010 by airspoon because: (no reason given)edit on 21-11-2010 by airspoon because: (no reason given)
There had to be enough steel on the 81st level of the south tower to support another 29 stories.
Originally posted by civilchallenger
reply to post by demonseed
The evidence is that Bush said on national television that watched the first tower on video going into the first building live on TV. I don't know how much evidence you could possibly ask for, but thats essentially a confession. Then of course there is the guy who said "I was in on it". I mean seriously when there are people saying "I was in on it." and you are not taking that as evidence that everyday Americans were involved there is clearly nothing to convince you.
Cheney & team didn't get away with it. They left the obvious clues all over the place. They did it right in our faces.
Then there is the trading activity EVIDENCE of high bets on UAL stock going down leading up and especially on the trading day before 9/11. Maybe it was a group of psychics making the trades. Or more likely, someone knew what was going to happen and cashed in on it.
The CIA already *admitted* to staging the Gulf of Tonkin in a false flag incident to get us into Vietnam. And they have already *admitted* trying to staging other false frag incidents to start other wars. Admitted, on paper. So you have a situation where you have one successful attempt at a false flag and one not so successful in a 25 year period. And the rumors of other false flags go back to the early days of America. Yet according to you, this is no longer happening all of a sudden. America is good now and reformed. These false flag events are EVIDENCE that 9/11 was a false flag attack.
Then of course they tried to destroy all of the evidence by shipping the WTC steel off to China for melting, when local steel yards would have paid HIGHER prices for the steel. Then of course they didn't manage to hide all of the the traces.... undetonated explosive were found, and photographs of molten concrete are everywhere to see. That is evidence. Did you know that?
The very first promise Bush made on 9/11 was that he would commit the "full resources of the federal government" to investigating what happened. But he immediately changed his mind and had zero interest in any investigation. How suspicious can you get? Not any more suspicious, until a few months later when he admitted guilt on mistake.
Silverstien skipped his daily breakfast visit to the WTC and reportedly warned her daughter not to go to work. Suspicious behavior. Then he later said he overhead the words "pull it" during his conversation with the fire chief. And yet again, you discount yet another accidental admisssion. All of the top people involved all accidentally admitted guilt, and you don't call that evidence. I don't know what to tell you. It sounds like you want to believe one thing regardless of the evidence.
I don't know what you've been reading but from what I've seen on ATS the evidence pile is always going up and the idea that the US government was involved is always getting less credit every day.edit on 21-11-2010 by civilchallenger because: Clarity
Originally posted by Varemia
reply to post by Chinesis
Show me any highrise in the exact situation as on 9/11 and I will be equally pleased. Problem is, no other steel high-rises have been hit by 767s and/or had a massive skyscraper collapse on top of it.