A Message To Angry Americans--(Tea Party)

Originally posted by Darkrunner
I waited like many Americans for the change that was promised. All that 'hope and change' stuff.

Bush spent us into bankruptcy and some of us waited to see if it was going to be 'change' as advertised. But it is business as usual, but with added spending.

One can only hope that with the November elections, the politicians will finally realize that they work for US, the people, and that we don't work for them..

Bush spent us into bankruptcy huh? you do know that congress is the branch of government that spends money not the president. Oh and which party was in charge of congress during the first bailouts? DEMOCRATS! which part has been in control of both house of congress and the white house for going on 2 years now and have spent double what was spent under the bush years? DEMOCRATS!

which party was in favor of every american being able to own a home even if they couldn't afford those variable rate mortgages when the interest rates started to rise? DEMOCRATS.

I'm not saying the republicans are saints because they aren't But lets put all the facts out on the table not just cherry pick the facts because they make your party look just as bad as the other party! And no Darkrunner the last bit of this post wasn't just directed at you but directed to everyone.

reply to post by Mercenary2007


if you'll re-read the post you are responding to, i think you will see he wasnt blaming bush as much as he was trying to use criticism of Bush to give some sort of non-partisan legitimacy to his absurd partisan claim that all the country's problems are Obama fault.

You see, many 'tea party' schills like to give vague criticism of Bush to try and make them not seem like the Republicans-in-hiding they truly are.

Let's try to make these definitions simple as possible.

The Tea Party can fill the Washington Mall with people coming to hear Glenn Beck.

Ed Shultz drew just enough people to the Washington Mall to leave a lot or stenciled Hammer and Sickle insignias printed on cardboard. After which Ed Shultz tries to tell his television minions that he drew as many people to the mall as had Glenn Beck.

The reason I'm telling you this is because nobody watches MSNBC, save for those with really, really short term memory losses.

Originally posted by trash
Let's try to make these definitions simple as possible.

The Tea Party can fill the Washington Mall with people coming to hear Glenn Beck.

Ed Shultz drew just enough people to the Washington Mall to leave a lot or stenciled Hammer and Sickle insignias printed on cardboard. After which Ed Shultz tries to tell his television minions that he drew as many people to the mall as had Glenn Beck.

The reason I'm telling you this is because nobody watches MSNBC, save for those with really, really short term memory losses.

Exactly. I agree completely. The 'Tea Party" is basically the Fox News viewing audience, and people came to hear Beck and Palin speak, not because they have a clue as to what they are talking about, but because they are charasmatic and their audience is easily swayed.

reply to post by justadood


Fox News viewership exceeds the combined viewership of MSNBC and CNN combined....and the majority of real thinking Americans still haven't heard the news that Rick Sanchez got fired on Jon Stewart's say so. Which also means that more people watch Comedy Central than wathc MSNBC and CNN combined.

The truth of MSNBC and CNN is that their network people get paid through the largesse of the Democrat Congress. Cause they can't make it on their own.

And we love it when you socialists wannabees call us derogatory names. Makes the whipping all the much more fun.

So you liberals and Independents who Voted for Obama are still happy with the Job he's doing then?? "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" and people who make these threads , I feel sorry for you that you really want to ruin this country. a Country that let's you do w/e you want and you don't take it for granted . no I shouldnt get angry over This society run a muck with Teenagers on ADD PILLS hyped up . with no brains being fed No VALUES . I gotta hand over the money i work my ass off to a Drug user who sits on park benches all day trying to get his next fixed . No i gotta support him to while i have little food for my newborn daughter.. i could go on and on . but why? You people that still believe in this Govt. we have . Thanks a lot you Fools

Originally posted by trash
reply to post by justadood

 

Fox News viewership exceeds the combined viewership of MSNBC and CNN combined....and the majority of real thinking Americans still haven't heard the news that Rick Sanchez got fired on Jon Stewart's say so. Which also means that more people watch Comedy Central than wathc MSNBC and CNN combined.

The truth of MSNBC and CNN is that their network people get paid through the largesse of the Democrat Congress. Cause they can't make it on their own.

Like i said, I agree that Fox news has A LOT of viewers. I'm not sure where you got MSNBC and CNN from, seeing as i made no reference to them whatsoever.

But since you seem like a person who fits into that large Fox Demographic, let me ask you-what specific policy decisions do you think should be implemented by a Republican congress, and/or the next President of the US in relation to economics, foreign policy, corporate donations, etc.

Also, did you support Bush and the Iraq war?

And we love it when you socialists wannabees call us derogatory names. Makes the whipping all the much more fun.

when did i call anyone a derogatory name? I've said nothing of the sort. Although i notice with just a bit of irony that you make such a claim in a sentence where you are calling me a name. What have i typed that made you think i was a 'socialist'? Or is that just a derogatory name?

Originally posted by justadood
Right. His 'economic policy' of doing what basically every respected economist said he needed to do to keep the country (and world) from collapsing into a dramatic economic depression.

hahahaha I swear you people just spew and spew. Where do you get this garbage?

why don't you do a little actual research and find out some facts based in reality. Almost all economists have said the bailouts and record spending have hurt, not helped.


Oh and RON PAUL 2012

Originally posted by thedeadlyrhythm

Originally posted by justadood
Right. His 'economic policy' of doing what basically every respected economist said he needed to do to keep the country (and world) from collapsing into a dramatic economic depression.

hahahaha I swear you people just spew and spew. Where do you get this garbage?

why don't you do a little actual research and find out some facts based in reality. Almost all economists have said the bailouts and record spending have hurt, not helped.


Oh and RON PAUL 2012

Sigh. At least TRY and support your idea with some facts. I've asked twice for even a modicum of relevance or evidence from you, and all you do is attack and belittle me.

blogs.wsj.com...

September 30, 2008 To the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate: As economists, we write to support the plan before Congress dealing with the financial crisis. We are well aware that the proposed intervention entails very large sums and considerable risk for American taxpayers, albeit upside as well as downside risk. Ours is a mixed, private-public economic system. Even in normal times, our government is heavily involved in the economy and holds a considerable claim on the private sector via the tax system. That said, none of us would counsel government arrangements of the proposed type in normal times. Today’s situation is far from normal. Nor, unfortunately, is it unprecedented. Our country has weathered significant financial crises over the years. It will weather this one as well. The main lesson learned from prior crises is that timely and aggressive government intervention can restore confidence and galvanize the private sector to take mutually reinforcing and economically beneficial actions. This ability of the government to set the economy on a healthy path makes the proposed intervention much less risky than would otherwise seem to be the case. We call upon all members of Congress to support this important legislation knowing full well that doing so is neither easy nor guaranteed of success. * Signed by* Richard J Arnould, University of Illinois Henry Aaron, The Brookings Institution Bahram Adrangi, University of Portland Lanny Arvan, University of Illiniois Alan Auerbach, University of California at Berkeley Lawrence Ausubel, University of Maryland Kathy Baylis, University of Illinois Valerie R. Bencivenga, University of Texas, Austin Douglas Bernheim, Stanford University Dan Bernhardt, University of Illinois John Bigelow, The Princeton Economics Group Douglas Blair, Rutgers University Alan Blinder, Princeton University Emily J. Blanchard, University of Virginia Michael Boskin, Stanford University Ricardo Caballero, MIT Domingo Cavallo, Fundación Mediterránea, Argentina Christophe Chamley, Boston University Joaquin Cottani, LECG, LLC. Peter Cramton, University of Maryland Robert H. Dugger, Tudor Investment Corporation Todd Easton, University of Portland Everett Ehrlich, ESC Company Niall Ferguson, Harvard University Jeffrey Frankel Harvard University Daniel Friedman, University of California, Santa Cruz Donald Fullerton, University of Illinois K.C. Fung, University of California Eric Furstenberg, University of Virginia Robert Hall, Stanford University and the Hoover Institution Daniel S. Hamermesh, University of Texas at Austin James Harrigan, University of Virginia James Henry, Sag Harbor Group, Inc. Firouz Gahvari, University of Illinois Richard Gilbert, Compass Lexecon John Goodman, National Center for Policy Analysis Lawrence H. Goulder, Stanford University Seung-Hyun Hong, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign William Johnson, University of Virginia Joseph Kasputys, Global Insight, Inc. Justine Kilpatrick, retired Roger Koenker, University of Illinois Laurence J. Kotlikoff, Boston University Howard Kunreuther, University of Pennsylvania Arvind Krishnamurthy, Northwestern University Kevin Lang, Boston University Barton Lipman, Boston University Michael Manove, Boston University Preston Mcafee, Caltech Robert Margo, Boston University Walter W. McMahon, University of Illinois David G. Mathiasen, United States Senior Executive Service Joe Minarik, Committee for Economic Development Len M. Nichols, New American Foundation Van Doorn Ooms, Committee for Economic Development (retired) Jon Orsag, University of Southern California Christina Paxson, Princeton University Thomas J. Prusa, Rutgers University Salim Rashid, University of Illinois Bruce Reynolds, University of Virginia Hugh Rockoff, Rutgers University Alice M. Rivlin, The Brookings Institution Isabel Sawhill, Brookings Institution Elliot Schwartz, Committee for Economic Development Neil Sheflin, Rutgers University George P. Shultz, Stanford University Hal Sider, Compass Lexecon Alan Spearot, University of California, Santa Cruz Eric Toder, The Urban Institute Eric Van Wincoop, University of Virginia Luis M. Viceira, Harvard University Ingo Vogelsang, Boston University Eugene N. White, Rutgers University Roberton C. Williams III, University of Texas at Austin Robert Willig, Princeton University Sidney G. Winter, University of Pennsylvania

reply to post by justadood


Just to make it simple: I'm a political Darwinist. The more you guys fail, the more we guys excel. Survival of the fittest in a world with way too many Obamunist welfare liberals and not enough natural resources to keep you socialist sitting underneath a tree drinking beer from recyclable aluminum cans. Eventually you guys will be drinking Near Beer out of your cupped hands. Say, maybe some of you Obamunist welfare liberals can get jobs as gardners and houseboys in Jeremiah Wright's fairly new ten million dollar manse.

In so many words, Obama is doing a credible job.


Yes, I take a slightly Different Slant On The Obama Presidency. Obama is amazing. Allow me to explain several of Obama's amazing achievements.


1. Obama destroyed the Clinton Political Machine, driving a stake through the heart of Hillary's presidential aspirations - something no Republican was ever able to do.

2. Obama killed off the Kennedy Dynasty - no more Kennedys trolling Washington looking for booze and women wanting rides home.

3. Obama is destroying the Democratic Party before our eyes! Dennis Moore had never lost a race. Evan Bayh had never lost a race. Byron Dorgan had never lost a race. Harry Reid - soon to be GONE! These are just a handful of the Democrats whose political careers Obama has destroyed. By the end of 2010, dozens more will be gone. Just think, in December of 2008 the Democrats were on the rise. In the last two election cycles, they had picked up 14 Senate seats and 52 House seats. The press was touting the death of the Conservative Movement and the Republican Party. However, in just one year, Obama put a stop to all of this and will probably give the House - if not the Senate - back to the Republicans.

4. Obama has completely exposed liberals and progressives for what they are. Sadly, every generation seems to need to re-learn the lesson on why they should never actually put liberals in charge. Obama is bringing home the lesson very well:

Liberals tax, borrow and spend.

Liberals won't bring themselves to protect America.

Liberals want to take over the economy.

Liberals think they know what is best for everyone.

Liberals are not happy until they are running YOUR life.

5. Obama has brought more Americans back to conservatism than anyone since Reagan. In one year, he has rejuvenated the Conservative Movement and brought out to the streets millions of freedom loving Americans. Name one other time when you saw your friends and neighbors this interested in taking back America!

6. Obama, with his "amazing leadership," has sparked the greatest period of sales of firearms and ammunition this country has seen. Law abiding citizens have rallied and have provided a "stimulus" to the sporting goods field while other industries have failed, faded, or moved off-shore.

7. In all honesty, one year ago I was more afraid than I have been in my life. Not afraid of the economy, but afraid of the direction our country was going. I thought, Americans have forgotten what this country is all about. My neighbors and friends, even strangers, have proved to me that my lack of confidence in the greatness and wisdom of the American people has been flat wrong.

8. When the American people wake up, no smooth talking teleprompter reader can fool them! Barack Obama has served to wake up these great Americans!

Again, I want to say: "Thank you, Barack Obama!" After all, this is exactly the kind of hope and change we desperately needed!!

Originally posted by trash
reply to post by justadood

 

Just to make it simple: I'm a political Darwinist. The more you guys fail, the more we guys excel. Survival of the fittest in a world with way too many Obamunist welfare liberals and not enough natural resources to keep you socialist sitting underneath a tree drinking beer from recyclable aluminum cans. Eventually you guys will be drinking Near Beer out of your cupped hands. Say, maybe some of you Obamunist welfare liberals can get jobs as gardners and houseboys in Jeremiah Wright's fairly new ten million dollar manse.

Wow, what a bunch of hubris and baseless attacks. "we"? "You guys"?

As usual, i notice you focus solely on removing specific party's and politicians from office, but you noticably avoid discussing WHO SPECIFICALLY you'd like to see replace them, what specifci policies you'd like implemented, and how they will unfold in reality.

Obvious distraction is obvious.

reply to post by justadood


yeahhh i was on my iphone there dude i didnt have the luxury of going through sources, and ill go back and look for whatever youre talking about i havent gotten a chance to read the whole thread again yet.

since youve apparently not heard a breath about the suggestion

2009
www.examiner.com...
2010
politics.usnews.com...
2009
www.heartland.org...

its not like countries havent tried to spend their way out of debt and crisis only to find themselves in more and more trouble. look at what is happening in the uk. ever seen this? this is called economic sense give it a try.

Originally posted by justadood
I've asked twice for even a modicum of relevance or evidence from you, and all you do is attack and belittle me.

and yeah i dunno wtf youre talking about i just looked through the thread. i made the one post in the beginning explaining the libertarian roots of the tea party and how it was hijacked by idiots. sound economic policy is the only thing that would fix this country, and that's not going to happen as long as the money manipulators are in control. honest money does not exist anymore.

reply to post by justadood


We thought you guys would be abundantly happy that we publicly reaffirm that we do not run in the same circles as you guys, that we do not associate with you guys and that we happily embrace the class warfare that you guys brought down on yourselves.

I mean, it wasn't meant to be derogatory toward you guys. We are simply re-confirming what you guys want. Which is to be separate and far apart.

You guys can't have everything, you know. You can't demand your own class status, and then think you can go hang around with us.

Not meant as an insult. Simply stating the reality of the matter you guys have created for yourselves.

reply to post by tothetenthpower

Obviously is a good thing that people are waking up, now the hard part is attempting to educate them and focus their attention on the larger picture.

Its hard for people to be focusing on the larger picture, when people perpetuate the sort of attitude that was posted in your OP...........

Instead of crying about the Tea Parties, people who say "Yeah i think its a good idea , but..." Should be helping to ELIMINATE the "but", and keep the movement on its intended direction of vetting politicians and constitutionality...........

Complaining gets you know where, action is everything...........

Originally posted by FlyersFan
It's not illegal.

Regardless it was a war based on lies. What did we go there for again? It appears to me that reasoning mixes between the non-existent WMD's and liberation. Eitherway we had no business in going there and after 8 years of this was that country is on the brink of civil war. They have not even formed a government, we lost over 4000 soldiers and we have wasted $737 billion in waging it. And this does not bother you in the slightests, all you have to say is 'it wasn't illegal'.

Why aren't ya'll having MASSIVE rallies against Obama escalating the war in Afghanistan?

Most liberals actually supported the war in Afghanistan including myself. Afghanistan in my eye was a justified move as the result of 9/11 and Obama promised he would escalate the war in Afghanistan if elected.

Originally posted by trash
reply to post by justadood

 

7. In all honesty, one year ago I was more afraid than I have been in my life. Not afraid of the economy, but afraid of the direction our country was going. I thought, Americans have forgotten what this country is all about. My neighbors and friends, even strangers, have proved to me that my lack of confidence in the greatness and wisdom of the American people has been flat wrong.

You don't happen to watch Glenn beck do you?
No but seriously, if you think the problem America faces is solely due to liberals you may want to loosen those blinders.

*edit to add
Wow, I just realized you plagarized your entire post. Next time you decide quote a chain email, at least put it in quotes man, geez.
For anyone interested, his post, I mean chain email, can be found:
Here -- www.vitalmx.com...
Here -- patriotupdate.com...
Here -- freedompub.org...

Well...pretty much all over the internets.

reply to post by xEphon


To answer your question: Yes, I listen to Glenn Beck. Do you listen to Rachel Maddow?

I suppose tastes vary. I wouldn't criticize you for being a Rachel Maddow fan. Or even Ed Shultz. There's nothing difficult to follow when you listen to them. Watching them is restful on the mind. I'm all for people who want to rest their minds. A tired mind is a terrible thing to deal with. A tired mind makes one say things like Rick Sanchez might say.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by NewlyAwakened

 

Ohh I'm not complaining. It's just ironic that Americans have gotten worked up over trivial issues, yet the important ones seem to go by without notice.

Obviously is a good thing that people are waking up, now the hard part is attempting to educate them and focus their attention on the larger picture.

~Keeper

This is most evident on this site, as well. When REALLY important issues are posted in well documented, well thought out posts, people on this site tend to ignore them.

However, they are happy to discuss conspiracy theories that are banal at best and have no real impact on the world at large, while ignoring the major issues at hand.

The Tea Partiers filling the Washington Mall to see Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin is a prime example of how the MSM is able to brainwash the masses into believing that two people with neither integrity or political skills are able to lead a rally for a group that claims to have integrity and is blaming poor political skills on the current situation.