Progressive Liberals may no longer be able to use the RACE CARD on the TP

Well it seems that the Progressive Liberals in America may soon have to find another way to slander/belittle the TP movement.
Introducing Mr. Obama's worst nightmare- Mr. Herman Cain.

Cain has been a keynote speaker at more than 20 tea-party rallies. In August 2009, an estimated 12,000 people attended a rally in Atlanta's Olympic Centennial Park where Cain was scheduled to speak. His first tea-party speech was April 15, 2009, at a tea party in Las Vegas. Organizers were expecting 600 people, and 2,600 people arrived. Cain also inspired a massive tea-party crowd in Atlanta April 15, 2010. His speech was captured in the following video posted on YouTube: [Flash: 12RZ3FUlBCI&hl=en_US&fs=1]After all his experience with tea parties, Cain said he is certain the movement is not racist – an accusation often hurled by left-leaning mainstream media outlets. "They can produce no proof – no evidence whatsoever – to substantiate this claim," Cain said. "When the tea parties first started, I have to acknowledge that some people brought signs that denigrated the image of President Obama – not because he was black, but because they did not like his policies." But he said tea-party organizers discouraged and denounced those signs during the early tea parties last year. He said NAACP accusations of racism within the tea-party movement are just an example of the "dirty work of the Left." "You haven't seen those signs since summer 2009," he said. "You simply don't see them. But every time they want to show a clip from CNN of signs that might imply racism, it's always from the very early protests. Yet the NAACP wants the tea party to denounce that? They did already! How many more times do they need to denounce it?" Cain was at a tea-party rally July 16, and he asked attendees, "Will all of the KKK members raise your hand?" He scanned the crowd and said, "Let the record show none are here." Then he asked, "Will all of the people that are members of a white supremacist organization raise your hand?" Herman Cain addresses tea-party crowd He scanned the crowd and repeated, "Let the record show none are here." "I'm sick of this mess!" he interjected. "I want to put it to bed once and for all. "Now, will all of the people who are patriots of the United States of America let me hear some noise?" Cain said, "We had 3,000 people just about cheer the roof off the place. This isn't about race."

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It seems that Mr. Cain may try and run for President in 2012.
I have listened to his show before and he does seem to have a very good head on his shoulders. From what I have read/know about him he will have my vote.
I think he would do America some good.
He has not only "studied" economics he has lived it.
I wonder how the left will spin this if he runs and is backed by the TP.
Will they still claim them to be racist while they are supporting a black candidate?

reply to post by Quadrivium


anything the teaparty does will always be vifilfied and spun for the simple fact of the core belief that government should be smaller and less intrusive.

the teaparty in all reality will never be able to ever do anything right the left wants big government they want it to be the end all of everything and they will do every thing in their power to make it so.

cain does have a good head on his shoulders and yes i would vote for him if he ran and his ideals are clearly good for this and he does have experience out in the private sector and had a real job unlike who we currently have.

and yes the left will spin it that they are still racists but anger and hatered are their mass weapons of distraction.

Yeah, I have Herman Cain's site on bookmark, here is his home page-www.hermancain.com...

Here is his plan for economic recovery-www.hermancain.com...

I think him and I have the same idea on the consumption tax.

You guys need to understand something... people don't want big government. People in power do. When it was Bush, you don't think it was BIG GOVERNMENT that created HOMELAND SECURITY, or THE PATRIOT ACT? You don't think it was big government that pushed for WAR without any support from Congress or the U.N. Back in those days it was the Left saying the Right was all about big government.

The people in power ARE Big Government. It doesn't matter which side.

If you think Right or Left will ever deliver small government you're out of your mind.

reply to post by Quadrivium


There is an entire thread on here full of pro-TP members defending Calr Paladino's use of the N-word as just a joke. It is racist and nothing else, no matter how funny anyone thinks that word is. Now when a Tea Party supported candidate uses racist language, it is ok because it is just a joke and does not represent the Tea Party as a whole because he is just one guy.

Well, all you have here is just one guy and it looks like kind of a joke.

If you really want people to stop saying that the Tea Party has racist elements you are going to need to stop Tea Party folks from condoning LOUDLY the racist elements among them. Purge the likes from the ranks instead of excusing them and you might get there.

Can anyone say Uncle Tom?

Just kidding, but seriously just because you have a couple minorities that are in and/or support your movement does not make you any less racist. The Tea Party is just the new Conservative wave such as the 1960's with Barry Goldwater, the 1970's with the Christian Right and the 2010's with the Tea Party. The difference now is that the Tea Party is Anti-Intellectual, Anti-Secular, Anti-Government, alot of Anti's don't you think?

It's a Libertarian Conservative movement which seeks to reconcile Conservative values with Libertarian economics, which scares the hell out of me. They are a purity test for Republicans, either conform to their doctrine or get out! Is the way they see politics and the GOP. We know that this will never be a third party, they may sponsor a third party candidate in 2012 if Romney wins, but this is just the GOP shape shifting again. At least Liberals are honest when they change, they don't act like it’s some third party fever where they aren't partisan, they are completely partisan because the Republicans darn sure aren't Liberal just like with the TPM they are completely partisan we all know the Democrats aren't Conservative.

Originally posted by Curiousisall
reply to post by Quadrivium

 

There is an entire thread on here full of pro-TP members defending Calr Paladino's use of the N-word as just a joke. It is racist and nothing else, no matter how funny anyone thinks that word is. Now when a Tea Party supported candidate uses racist language, it is ok because it is just a joke and does not represent the Tea Party as a whole because he is just one guy.

Well, all you have here is just one guy and it looks like kind of a joke.

If you really want people to stop saying that the Tea Party has racist elements you are going to need to stop Tea Party folks from condoning LOUDLY the racist elements among them. Purge the likes from the ranks instead of excusing them and you might get there.

What are the racist elements you are speaking of? I grew up in a prodomintly black neighborhood and frequently would say "what's up my 'n-word'".
It is in the music, the movies and in hoods all over the USA! Ever heard of equal rights?
The only racist thing about the word THESE days is the fact that it can only be used by people of color without causing an uproar.
Racism would be just about dead in this country if it were not for those making money by stirring it up and those who are just to dang politically correct.
So what other "racist elements" are you referring to?

Were nazi's any less anti-semetic even though they had jews amongst their ranks?

Not that I particularly believe the tea party is racist, mainly because you can't give one voice or opinion to the tea party label, but I don't understand the logic of jumping up and down going "Look, we got a black guy too!".

If the tea party isn't racist, why try to show it isn't racist? You can't showcase that and, in certain cases, you're practically glamorizing and highlighting someones race as if their race is at all relevant what so ever.

If the tea party isn't racist, it can show that by not being racist. Is it not being racist? Yes? Then they're not racists outside of a fringe few. It's that simple. Is someone saying they're racist? If so, they're wrong and likely stupid. Stop caring about them. Truth is self-evident; it can't be expressed or highlighted.

Brilliant how logic and not caring what stupid people think can do to your productivity, huh?

Originally posted by Misoir
Can anyone say Uncle Tom?

Just kidding,

Nice use of JUST KIDDING there (wink,wink)

but seriously just because you have a couple minorities that are in and/or support your movement does not make you any less racist.

The OP was not about a couple of minorities supporting the TP. It was about the TP supporting a minority candidate. Try again.

The Tea Party is just the new Conservative wave such as the 1960's with Barry Goldwater, the 1970's with the Christian Right and the 2010's with the Tea Party. The difference now is that the Tea Party is Anti-Intellectual, Anti-Secular, Anti-Government, alot of Anti's don't you think?

Wrong again. Do some research. The TP is conservative but they want most to all of the incumbents out of DC, republican and democrats.

It's a Libertarian Conservative movement which seeks to reconcile Conservative values with Libertarian economics, which scares the hell out of me.

Why does that scare you. I doubt if you are old enough to remember what it was like. Unless of course you remember the late 1800's and early 1900's.
You could try and do some research on it though, maybe it will not scare you so much when you find the information yourself instead of listening to those who are scared of losing their power.

They are a purity test for Republicans, either conform to their doctrine or get out! Is the way they see politics and the GOP. We know that this will never be a third party, they may sponsor a third party candidate in 2012 if Romney wins, but this is just the GOP shape shifting again. At least Liberals are honest when they change, they don't act like it’s some third party fever where they aren't partisan, they are completely partisan because the Republicans darn sure aren't Liberal just like with the TPM they are completely partisan we all know the Democrats aren't Conservative.

Like I said, do some research. The democrats were once Conservative, until the Progressive movement. People don't seem to get that this country started going the wrong way around the turn of the last century.
The so called Republican Party of today is not as conservative as the old democrat party.

reply to post by Quadrivium


You're telling me to research American Political History? HA! That is my life!

The OP was not about a couple of minorities supporting the TP. It was about the TP supporting a minority candidate. Try again.

Yes and it is all for show, you should not have to try and push a minority candidate forward just because you are afraid people think you're racist unless you have something to hide.

Wrong again. Do some research. The TP is conservative but they want most to all of the incumbents out of DC, republican and democrats.

Yes, so did the 1960's Goldwater Conservatives when they wanted to kick out the incumbent establishment Republicans for being too Liberal and soft on the Soviet Union. In the 1970's the Christian right wanted to kick out all of the Cultural Liberals in the Republican Party because they were too Secular and Culturally Liberal.

Why did this happen during the '60s and '70s? Because the Conservative Democrats who opposed the Civil Rights joined with the Republicans whom were the more Liberal party at the time, when they got settled in they wanted to throw out all of the establishment Republicans who were there before the new crossovers.

Why does that scare you. I doubt if you are old enough to remember what it was like. Unless of course you remember the late 1800's and early 1900's.
You could try and do some research on it though, maybe it will not scare you so much when you find the information yourself instead of listening to those who are scared of losing their power.

The real history of the era has been covered up in a nice blanket of propaganda. The time was riddled with mass income inequality, racism, sexism and the KKK. The Socialists arose in that era for a reason my friend, it was to fight against the mass abuse and inequality that was performed on them by their employers. Child labor, sweat shops, work hours around 60-70, there was no minimum wage, no safety net, no protection. It's one thing to say that you want all the bums thrown out but to pine for an era such as the one you are speaking of, no thanks.

Like I said, do some research. The democrats were once Conservative, until the Progressive movement. People don't seem to get that this country started going the wrong way around the turn of the last century.
The so called Republican Party of today is not as conservative as the old democrat party.

Well obviously... the Republican Party was founded on the idea of Federalism, Progress and Liberty while the Democrats were the States' rights, Reactionary and Slavery party until the 1960's. The Republicans were always the Progressives until FDR, they were the very pro-business and pro-progress party, closely resembling a Libertarian style while still incorporating government assertion of power in trade and other issues. The Democrats were the party of Social Conservatism and Economic Populism, they opposed equal rights while supporting Labor Unions.

Ever see this picture? Election of 1896.

isnt this a red herring either way?

especially since 'racist' clearly means very different things to different people.

Let's talk about specific Tea Party POLICY.

And on that vein, how are the Tea Party ANY different than Republicans?

Originally posted by Quadrivium
What are the racist elements you are speaking of? I grew up in a prodomintly black neighborhood and frequently would say "what's up my nigga".
It is in the music, the movies and in hoods all over the USA! Ever heard of equal rights?
The only racist thing about the word THESE days is the fact that it can only be used by people of color without causing an uproar.
Racism would be just about dead in this country if it were not for those making money by stirring it up and those who are just to dang politically correct.
So what other "racist elements" are you referring to?

I clearly wrote the name Paladino. Please do me a favor and put your money where your mouth is. I have real nice street corner picked out in a real nice section of downton Buffalo. You go stand on that corner and loudly tell Palladinos N-word "jokes" and then report back when you get out of the hospital about how not racist the things he said were.

Why would you even ask what I am talking about and then give some nonsense excuse that does not apply when I already said who I am talking about.

Thank you for being a perfect example of what I am saying though. Carl Palladino thinks that the N-word is funny and instead of you TP folks ousting him for being racist, you defend his use of the word 'n-word'. NICE!

Originally posted by SpectreDC


If the tea party isn't racist, it can show that by not being racist. Is it not being racist? Yes? Then they're not racists outside of a fringe few. It's that simple. Is someone saying they're racist? If so, they're wrong and likely stupid. Stop caring about them. Truth is self-evident; it can't be expressed or highlighted.

Brilliant how logic and not caring what stupid people think can do to your productivity, huh?

Carl Paladino has beyond all doubt put out a great number of racist things. The poster above you took the time to say that him using the N-word is not only not a bad thing, but totally acceptable now. Do you see how this might look to a thinking person?

Originally posted by Quadrivium
Wrong again. Do some research. The TP is conservative but they want most to all of the incumbents out of DC, republican and democrats.

To replace them all with new OLD Republicans that believe the same crazy stuff as the Republicans in there now. Right, smart, not Republican, not racist.

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by Quadrivium

 

You're telling me to research American Political History? HA! That is my life!

Read your first post. If APH is your life it didn't show.
Your last post was much better. Thank you.

Yes and it is all for show, you should not have to try and push a minority candidate forward just because you are afraid people think you're racist unless you have something to hide.

What if it is not "pushing a minority candidate"? Why would you even think that unless you don't feel a minority is up for the task?
Do you believe the TP, with the changes they want to make, would actually just back someone because they are black? Give me a break.
The only candidate they will support in 2012 is one that shares their views and can hopefully lead congress in the direction that many in this country would like to go.
And I feel Mr. Cain could be that cadidate.

Yes, so did the 1960's Goldwater Conservatives when they wanted to kick out the incumbent establishment Republicans for being too Liberal and soft on the Soviet Union. In the 1970's the Christian right wanted to kick out all of the Cultural Liberals in the Republican Party because they were too Secular and Culturally Liberal.

Why did this happen during the '60s and '70s? Because the Conservative Democrats who opposed the Civil Rights joined with the Republicans whom were the more Liberal party at the time, when they got settled in they wanted to throw out all of the establishment Republicans who were there before the new crossovers.

True. Only one argument though.
I thought in your first post you said their weren't any "conservative democrats". That was the main point that led me to believe you did not know what you were talking about.

The real history of the era has been covered up in a nice blanket of propaganda. The time was riddled with mass income inequality, racism, sexism and the KKK. The Socialists arose in that era for a reason my friend, it was to fight against the mass abuse and inequality that was performed on them by their employers. Child labor, sweat shops, work hours around 60-70, there was no minimum wage, no safety net, no protection. It's one thing to say that you want all the bums thrown out but to pine for an era such as the one you are speaking of, no thanks.

No one wants to go back to the way business was run at that time. We would like to go back to the way the government was run.
Does their need to be business oversight? Of course.
Can there be too much regulation by the government? Yes. It ends up strangling the free market system.
So many are against the free market system now because they have never actually seen it at work.

Well obviously... the Republican Party was founded on the idea of Federalism, Progress and Liberty while the Democrats were the States' rights, Reactionary and Slavery party until the 1960's. The Republicans were always the Progressives until FDR, they were the very pro-business and pro-progress party, closely resembling a Libertarian style while still incorporating government assertion of power in trade and other issues. The Democrats were the party of Social Conservatism and Economic Populism, they opposed equal rights while supporting Labor Unions.

RIGHT! So we agree (I think).

My "quote" and "reply" options are not working. I will do my best to comment on replies to the OP with out them.
This one is for Curiousisall.
Look your mind is not an open book to me. I can not flip through the pages and get the information I need.
When you said in your first post that "they were defending Paladino's use of the N-word as just a joke" you were assuming that I knew what you were talking about.
Which I don't.
So when I read- "the use of the N- word" I was defending that.
I gather from your second post that he must have told a racial joke or something?
A word has no power but the power it is given by those who hear it. If a word is used by one group then it should be ok for all.
If it is a racial joke then that is totally different.
Those are meant to hurt, slander and cause defamation of character in most cases and should be not be tolerated.
I gathered from your post that you had several race based issues with the TP that is why I asked "what other Racist Properties you were talking about" because you put it in the plural in your first post not I.
Bit of advice- try to communicate just a little better and please don't assume so much.

Now that my "post sub-functions" are working again I will thy and reply to your comments a little clearer. It is much easier for me to reply when I can look at your words while doing so.

Originally posted by Curiousisall

Originally posted by Quadrivium
What are the racist elements you are speaking of? I grew up in a prodomintly black neighborhood and frequently would say "what's up my nigga".
It is in the music, the movies and in hoods all over the USA! Ever heard of equal rights?
The only racist thing about the word THESE days is the fact that it can only be used by people of color without causing an uproar.
Racism would be just about dead in this country if it were not for those making money by stirring it up and those who are just to dang politically correct.
So what other "racist elements" are you referring to?

I clearly wrote the name Paladino. Please do me a favor and put your money where your mouth is. I have real nice street corner picked out in a real nice section of downton Buffalo. You go stand on that corner and loudly tell Palladinos N-word "jokes" and then report back when you get out of the hospital about how not racist the things he said were.

I was not defending Paladino or his comments. You assumed I knew what you were speaking of and I did not.
The point I was making is that if a word is used by one group, in an off hand sort of way, then everyone should be able to use that word in that way. Which I did when I was younger, without thinking about it most of the time. I was an honorary "brother from another mother".
In todays society it is a word used often in movies, music and probably a lot in the "real nice street corner in downtown Buffalo" you have picked out for me. The word has no power over people except for the power they give it.
If Paladino was telling racist jokes then that is totally different and he should be called out on it.

Why would you even ask what I am talking about and then give some nonsense excuse that does not apply when I already said who I am talking about.

You said "racial elements" in your first post.
Notice the "s" on the end of "elements"?
That implies that you had other issues with the TP other than
Paladino.
Thats why I asked "what other racial elements" you were referring to.
You could not answer so you chose to attack.

Thank you for being a perfect example of what I am saying though. Carl Palladino thinks that the N-word is funny and instead of you TP folks ousting him for being racist,

As to what Palladino thinks is funny I haven't a clue.
"You TP folks"? I find that just as offensive as the word your so scared of.
You assume an awful lot. I actually am not a member of the TP but I do agree with their main goal.

you defend his use of the word 'n-word'. NICE!

Ooooooooooo you wrote the N-word! Wait till I tell all those people in downtown Buffalo ( that YOU stereo typed into one big group) what you did! Their gonna get you.
Why don't you clean up the racism in you own life before worrying about it being in others.

Originally posted by Curiousisall

Originally posted by Quadrivium
Wrong again. Do some research. The TP is conservative but they want most to all of the incumbents out of DC, republican and democrats.

To replace them all with new OLD Republicans that believe the same crazy stuff as the Republicans in there now. Right, smart, not Republican, not racist.

Not sure exactly what you are trying to say in this post.
I think I understand some of it though so I will take a poke at it.
(Maybe you should ask Misoir to give you a lesson in American Political History. You may rather hear it coming from him than me. But I will try. )
During the Civil Rights movement it was the Democrats that did not want change. They were the more "racist" of the two parties. And some think they still are.
They figured out a new way to enslave minorities and gain most of their votes in the process by using programs like Affirmative Action and a lot of the Government (tax payer) funded entitlements.
The Republican Party of today is a joke. The Democrats are worse.

Originally posted by justadood
isnt this a red herring either way?

especially since 'racist' clearly means very different things to different people.

Let's talk about specific Tea Party POLICY.

And on that vein, how are the Tea Party ANY different than Republicans?

Well that's an easy one.
The TP has not be over run by the Progressive movement like a lot of the Republican and most of the Democrat Party members.
That is where most of the animosity towards the TP comes from. The progressives feel threatened and attack.

Originally posted by SpectreDC
If the tea party isn't racist, why try to show it isn't racist? You can't showcase that and, in certain cases, you're practically glamorizing and highlighting someones race as if their race is at all relevant what so ever.

If the tea party isn't racist, it can show that by not being racist. Is it not being racist? Yes? Then they're not racists outside of a fringe few. It's that simple. Is someone saying they're racist? If so, they're wrong and likely stupid. Stop caring about them. Truth is self-evident; it can't be expressed or highlighted.

Brilliant how logic and not caring what stupid people think can do to your productivity, huh?

So your argument is that if they are not racist then they should just ignore what is being said about them?
I think you just found the heart of the TP my friend, though you probably don't see it.
For a long time people in this country have just went with the flow of things.
They (we) let the progressive movement move us forward with out saying a word, afraid to say anything, because of the labels we might get stuck with (hater, bigot, loser, racist and a slew of others).
So we have moved forward but to what ends?
Our family life in America is almost non existence now.
Our Prisoners get treated better than most of our seniors in "old folks homes".
Our schools are over run with sex, drugs and violence because the children know there are little to no repercussions for their actions. They run the schools now not the teachers or administrators.
We can not pray in public now with out being accused of being a fanatic.
Can't speak out about injustice with out being labeled a racist or worse.
Have a Government that eventually wants to control every aspect of your life.
Can not turn on the TV with out seeing Sex, drugs, violence and hearing vulgar language on almost any channel at any given time.
Can not walk out the house with out seeing sex, drugs, violence and hearing vulgar language in almost any city/town at any given time.
Political correctness has run awry
This is why the TP MUST defend itself against the charge of "racism".
You hear it a lot "they have awaken".
If they don't defend them selves they may as well go back to sleep.
If they don't defend them selves things will not change.
This was the effect the Progressive were hoping for with their many accusations and I for one am glad it has not happened.