Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

Originally posted by manmental
Ha ha... this is more revealing... another israeli film showing the lethal weapons the 'attackers' had.

catapults. and marbles.

israel lost their marbles me think.

what did they think was going to happen?

the helicopter angle was stupid... they watch too many movies.

www.liveleak.com...

They should not have conducted the raid in international waters..


However, if you were in one of those soldiers shoes and just before you hit the deck you have an angry mob beating you with metal bars, hammers, knives and using marbles in catupults lets see how you would control your trigger finger.

These soldiers took the beating of an angry mob and did not open fire until ordered to.

These are brave men, they perform a duty and perform it with discipline. It is proof that they are not the blood thirsty murderers that propoganda brainwashes you to believe.

I welcome the flames in this case. So easy to sit in your seats, safe in your homes while putting the world to right with not the slightest understanding of what it takes to risk your life and still maintain discipline.

Anyone who can mock this situation shows themselves for what they are, gutless.

My guessing is that had you been one of those soldiers and believed in what you were doing you would not have had the backbone to leave the blackhawk.

I am not pro-Israeli and I am not pro-Palestinian, I do however appreciate a stiuation from both points of view rather than jump on the band wagon and mock for attention and a star rating.

Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Egypt is paid to do what Egypt is told to do, and it does what it's told to do because it likes to get paid, just like Israel, American Tax Payer Dollars.

Are any of the reasons you gave good enough for the world to continue to ignore Egypt's partnership in the blockade?

Where is the world's pressure on Egypt? They are also hurting the Palestinians.

No! the world doesn't ignore Egypt's partnership in the blockade, but why would they pressure Egypt when they KNOW that the source of all this evil stems from the fact that the US is corrupting their Egyptian puppet with a lot of American tax payer Dollar!

America is Israel's biotch! - The US has been hijacked by AIPAC and does whatever their lobbyists want them to do - and they sadly want Egypt to blockade Gaza and starve the Palestinian children.

Israel and AIPAC are conducting the ethnic cleansing of Palestinans in the occupied territories.

Btw! it saddens my heart to see so many war apologists and haters of Palestinian children in this thread.

You should all take a good look in the mirror and be really ashamed of yourselves infront of the whole world!

[edit on 31-5-2010 by Chevalerous]

Originally posted by Lastone

Originally posted by Skellon
In the footage you can see 'peaceful activists' wearing gas masks and brandishing metal bars beating soldiers before they have even put boots on the deck.

If that is what you call defence then I think you need to take your meds....

That is an attack as I see it.


Again I will say it, Israel should not have conducted this raid in international waters, however the 'militant' members of this 'hippy boat' initiated the violence according to the footage.

According to footage you can see clearly that IDF is going down from the Heli using GAS MASKS .. why ? Because they throw Tear Gas grenades before going down....
So ... who iniciate violence ? What would you do after throwing Gas on you?

If you check all of the footage it is plain to see that it is the militant members of the hippy voyage that are wearing gas masks, check the footage again.

Atleast one militant is using a paintball gun in the footage too.

The special forces were not the only ones wearing black...

[edit on 31-5-2010 by Skellon]

reply to post by Foppezao

And don't tell me they do that cause they're getting paid, the Egyptians also want peace and dont want Hamas either, but when they do the same or even worse, the middle east is quiet..

I did tell you they are doing it because they are getting paid, and in fact that is why they are doing it.

More importantly Egypt has it's own problems in that it is propping up a 42 year old dictatorship with the only rival political faction that has popularity being radical Islamic Extremists.

It is why honest elections haven't been held in 42 years because the group that would likely come to power would be more radical than the Palestinians, and very likely to rip up the Camp David Peace Accords.

Palestinian lands have been shrinking for 67 years, so trying to play the poor oh they just don't like us because we stole our lands card is stupid.

I am not sympathetic, if the Germans had stolen 3/4's of Israeli Lands for any reason, they would still be paying restitutions for it.

If the Zionists steal Arab lands, well they were doing the Arabs a favor because they hadn't installed sprinklers in them? Is that how the story goes.

With no real restitutions, no real appologies and Israeli running a apartheid state with a slow campaign of genocide are you really expecting hugs and chocolate chip cookies?



[edit on 31/5/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

These Israeli's are not part of the same human race that the rest of us are part of.

These paranoid people are afraid that the western masses will learn the evil truth as the middle eastern populations do.

Free the blockade now, stop religious discrimination, stop threatening your neighbours and distrupting the world with lies lies and greed.

Originally posted by Caveat Lector
These Israeli's are not part of the same human race that the rest of us are part of.

These paranoid people are afraid that the western masses will learn the evil truth as the middle eastern populations do.

Free the blockade now, stop religious discrimination, stop threatening your neighbours and distrupting the world with lies lies and greed.

I believe it was the late William 'Bill' Cooper that stated words to this effect; I do not believe that any man is evil, no man wakes up in the morning intent on doing evil. The actions of a man may be deemd as evil but in their mind they are justified in whatever their intent is.

Originally posted by mack37
reply to post by DoomsdayRex

 

Do you realy think the reporters would be standing around on deck talking to the cam AFTER the commandos land?
Surley the IDF would NOT allow that.
The footage is the direct live feed and yes it was edited together after the fact by someone onshore.
I have been following this from the start and there are many accounts from ppl who watched the LIVE feed as it happend, all report shots fired BEFORE the landing on deck.
Go back to the start of the thred and read for your self.
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seems to me they WERE allowed just to carry on filming tbh , the idf seemed to have more to do ,I watched the feed ...live...I have heard absolutely no shots before the fact.....as i mentioned before , this was only reported by al jazeera , IF shots before thew act were heard , why did the editor not see fit to put them in his "newsreel"..they havnt even been faked , in the footage you can see possibly one flashbang used ...

WHY no footage from the other ships? the 4 that "volunteered"/ surrendered without violence ...like what was promised ?

Why did only this ship fight?

Edit to add this ,, I do hear paintball guns being fired after the troops land..

and the guys at 0.50 of the footage appear to be carrying the tavor

[edit on 31-5-2010 by gambon]

Israel is a lawless nation that secular Jews have taken and turned into a rouge state. Israel is only out for themselves, and to hell with the USA and the rest of the world. The leaders will play the tired old holocaust card until people finally have had enough and tell them to either act like a nation of laws or declare openly that they abhor sanity and fair play.

They justfiy and and all forms of crime, from murder to drug trafficking to spying on its' FRIENDS...the Mossad and other black hearted intel groups have and will do anything in any nation no matter how foul as long as they think it suits their goals. They refuse to admit they have nukes, and are thumbing their noses at the rest of the nations that adhere to the rules.

Greedy, self absorbed and cunning, the American ZISYMPS like Silverstein and Lowey, as well as all the rest of the Jewish Neocons that planned and helped execute 9-11 have no morals and no human kindness; they think that if you are not one of them, you are less than an animal and of no import. People are nothing more to Zionists than a kleenex to throw away after wiping.

Mossad agents set up and filming and dancing on 9-11....vans full of Mossad and traces of explosives found...and Chertoff of course kicks them free...to go back to Israel and admit on Tv that they were there to record the event.

When will people figure it out? Elements of the shadow government and their cronies set up some patsy's to be the fall guys for a false flag attack. They say it was THEIR idea, but originally an operative plants the seeds and pushes the agenda thru..and then the insiders have the computer codes and can override all systems..war games conveniently being run put false blips on the radar...Cheney makes sure the Pentagon gets hit.

They all play a part; immoral and greedy men willing to sacrifice a few thousand innocent people, and many more in the' necessary ' wars soon to follow..these men want a long term goal to be realized, and they are willing to bet that history will someday call them heroes instead of traitors when the truth is finally openly accepted.

The perps believe that the loss of thousands is a small price tp pay for grander goals: Vast oil and gas reserves, all the way to the door of the Asian empire and beyond. Land grabbing and empire building on a scale not seen since time began. Money, so MUCH money...trillions and billions to be amde for the few willing to take a risk and join in the PNAC insiders.

If anyone with even a halfway logical mindset looks at all the HUNDREDS of ' inexplicable anomalies ' the official story asks us to totally ignore, and examines the evidence, there can only be ONE answer: Flase flag event ..inside job...Israel and Neocon support with system control under the perps command. Cheney and his pals sleep well because they do not fear eternity and righteopus judgement, a mistake that will become apparent to him and them when their black hearts can no longer be kept beating by technology and the death angel arrives to escort them to the infernal regions, where the error of their ways will be made abundantly clear.

Too bad we cannot see justice in the here and now.

Originally posted by lucid eyes

Originally posted by Someone336
Has it come to the point where anyone holding a "communist" or "left-wing" viewpoint is free game to be treated as less than a person, with no repercussions?

Not at all. The point I was making is that these passengers have an agenda that goes beyond merely providing aid. There are some internationally well known book authors and public speakers there that are fiercly anti-Israel (and thats an understatement).

All Im doing is taking a closer look at the possible agendas involved.

This is so typical . . .

They're anti Israel !!!!!

Kill them!!!!!


The one good reason for Israel to exist is to give all such propaganda-swilling, freedom-hating bigots a place where they can hide out together, to stop them bothering the rest of the world.


How dare you publicly suggest Israel has a right to kill people for standing against the actions of a lying, genocidal terrorist state . . .

Originally posted by gambon

Originally posted by mack37
reply to post by DoomsdayRex

 

Do you realy think the reporters would be standing around on deck talking to the cam AFTER the commandos land?
Surley the IDF would NOT allow that.
The footage is the direct live feed and yes it was edited together after the fact by someone onshore.
I have been following this from the start and there are many accounts from ppl who watched the LIVE feed as it happend, all report shots fired BEFORE the landing on deck.
Go back to the start of the thred and read for your self.
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seems to me they WERE allowed just to carry on filming tbh , the idf seemed to have more to do ,I watched the feed ...live...I have heard absolutely no shots before the fact.....as i mentioned before , this was only reported by al jazeera , IF shots before thew act were heard , why did the editor not see fit to put them in his "newsreel"..they havnt even been faked , in the footage you can see possibly one flashbang used ...

WHY no footage from the other ships? the 4 that "volunteered"/ surrendered without violence ...like what was promised ?

Why did only this ship fight?

Edit to add this ,, I do hear paintball guns being fired after the troops land..

and the guys at 0.50 of the footage appear to be carrying the tavor

[edit on 31-5-2010 by gambon]

I agree with you, the issue of whether the IDF shot first or not is a mute one.

If they had indeed shot causing casualties before landing on deck, they would have also had the permission to fire from the moment they left the blackhawk.

This was not the case.

Issue solved.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by Skellon]

Originally posted by malchediel

Originally posted by On the level
Have said it for years, Israel thinks it can say and do what it wants and if anyone says otherwise we are anti-Semite and deserve publically flogged. If this was Iran that had done this the nukes would already be in the air. I hope they get what they want, an open war on three fronts and America wakes up and leave them to it for a change.

C'mon... the same can be directed straight back to you and yours. Those standing up for Israel are labeled what? .....

Seems as if I am being repetitively asked a question... both are covert hypnotic techniques from KUBARK. Lets go back to before WWII in the 30's in Germany.

England agreed to create Israel in exchange for the support of Jews in Germany to make things difficult for The Reich. Nazis and sympathizers who knew of the Atomic bomb thought it a great way to gather them all in one place. It was to be a trap. The Holocaust used to justify the conduct of a Nation will become its Nuclear Holocaust Memorial. How ironic.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Egypt is not blockcading Gaza in the same fashion Israel is, Egypt has simply closed it's border to Gaza.

The question is simple


Is Egypt hurting the Palestinians or not?

If so, it doesn't matter if it is 1% or 100%, they are still guilty.

CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY YOUR TRYING TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR THEM RATHER THAN CONDEMN THEM.

The pressure Israel is currently facing is in regards to killing 9-to up to perhaps as many 40 foreign nationals during a military operation carried out by Israel.

Tragic it is and I have never said Israel shouldn't be condemned for this. On the same token, you cannot deny that the aid ship were looking for this confrontation. Stupidity runs high on both sides.

The Flotilla was attempting to access Gaza by boat. Gaza has a shore line, so if you are attempting to access Gaza by boat, it would make sense to actually head for Gaza and not Egypt, Australia, Liberia or Peru.

And it also makes sense that when a military is telling you to back off, it just might be wise to do what the military says.

So in reality yes you can attempt to deflect away from the main issue which is, Israeli's attack of civilian aide vessels.

You can further try to deflect away from the secondary issue of the Israeli Blockcade against Gaza.

No deflection here. The issue of Egypt was brought up and you made excuses for them.

So how much pressure do you imagine should be placed on Egypt to reopen the border, and at what cost to Egypt when it comes to aide from the United States (the second biggest recipient) and at what cost to its own border personell when Israel bombs the border crossing with Egypt?

Same pressure as on Israel to end the blockade. Why do you think the Palestinians are building those tunnels on the Egyptian border?

As for the US, we are both aware they are knee deep in it. No use denying that.

But here is what gets me most out of all of this. Why does it take a freaking incident like this to bring world attention back to the situation in Gaza?

Where have all these people, especially world leaders, been since the last major incident in the area?

I have yet to see any Naval force from another country try to end the blockade.

Truth is many don't want a solution they merely want to continue use this geographical area to their advantage.

reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross


International law has never been followed by anyone in war. It pretty much is useless.


Again, maybe you don't understand this, but when a man has an m230, you do not make the rules, he does. If you fail to understand this, then maybe that's why you are not the one fighting.

War is evil. War has no rules. Making rules in war is like telling the sea to get up and walk away.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by Gorman91]

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by little_green_man
Tough luck.... what were you expecting? A welcoming party?

Not in the least.

However, the "innocent humanitarians" absolutely had to know what they were provoking (just as the Israelis did) in this. I am not saying the Israelis are innocent; but what I am saying is that the "humanitarians" definitely are not.

The innocent humanitarians provoked the Israelis by dying of Israeli bullets, did they?

The Israeli obfuscations are becoming funnier by the minute.

Originally posted by Skellon
In the footage you can see 'peaceful activists' wearing gas masks and brandishing metal bars beating soldiers before they have even put boots on the deck.

If that is what you call defence then I think you need to take your meds....

That is an attack as I see it.


Again I will say it, Israel should not have conducted this raid in international waters, however the 'militant' members of this 'hippy boat' initiated the violence according to the footage.

One has to think that if the silly soldiers hadn't attempted to board the ship, nothing would have happened to them. Oddly enough, Will Smith said it best I think: "Don't start nothing, won't BE nothing." I would expect a severe reaction towards anyone attempting to board my boat I tell you what.

People keep talking about who did what, and when. But it seems to me like this whole thing could have been avoided by simply letting those folks be. Call me crazy...

Chrono

Originally posted by tecumsah

Originally posted by malchediel

Originally posted by On the level
Have said it for years, Israel thinks it can say and do what it wants and if anyone says otherwise we are anti-Semite and deserve publically flogged. If this was Iran that had done this the nukes would already be in the air. I hope they get what they want, an open war on three fronts and America wakes up and leave them to it for a change.

C'mon... the same can be directed straight back to you and yours. Those standing up for Israel are labeled what? .....

Seems as if I am being repetitively asked a question... both are covert hypnotic techniques from KUBARK. Lets go back to before WWII in the 30's in Germany.

England agreed to create Israel in exchange for the support of Jews in Germany to make things difficult for The Reich. Nazis and sympathizers who knew of the Atomic bomb thought it a great way to gather them all in one place. It was to be a trap. The Holocaust used to justify the conduct of a Nation will become its Nuclear Holocaust Memorial. How ironic.

PLEASE ...if going to steal from web post the quote links ...eg that paragraph is directly stolen from middleeast.web

Originally posted by Skellon

I believe it was the late William 'Bill' Cooper that stated words to this effect; I do not believe that any man is evil, no man wakes up in the morning intent on doing evil. The actions of a man may be deemd as evil but in their mind they are justified in whatever their intent is.

Just to clarify, not talking about individual soldiers here but rather the government that ordered the strike.

Do they wake up in the morning wanting to commit evil, I hope not. However there is a real possibility they wake up and decide that the toughest kid on the block doesn't get pushed around, so better bloody some noses for little reason but to show them we're tough.

It's barbaric what's just happened here. Just think what these people were trying to achieve and for what reasons - look what Israel has done!!!

reply to post by Chevalerous

the world doesn't ignore Egypt's partnership in the blockade,

Can you really say that with a straight face?

but why would they pressure Egypt when they KNOW that the source of all this evil stems from the fact that the US is corrupting their Egyptian puppet with a lot of American tax payer Dollar!

So just because the US is giving Egypt money, this should be a good enough reason not to pressure Egypt.

Israel and AIPAC are conducting the ethnic cleansing of Palestinans in the occupied territories.

Open your eyes and you will see that many more countries are doing the same thing. Where is Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Turkey, France...list goes on and on?

Btw! it saddens my heart to see so many war apologists and haters of Palestinian children in this thread.

If your talking about me, just say it directly and provide the proof. Otherwise, your general comment doesn't mean squat.

You should all take a good look in the mirror and be really ashamed of yourselves infront of the whole world!

Lead the way to the mirror. Your excuse for the world not to pressure Egypt shows you need to look in the mirror.

Fact of the matter remains, you have automatic weapons versus what ammounts to kids toys and makeshift weapons. Quite a bit uneven IMO. There also remains the issue of the people trying to board the boat in the first place. Of course they were going to attack the soldiers before they had a chance to hit the deck, anyone in their position would have done the same. Some pirates attempt to board your vessel, you hit them before they get their bearings, not after they have their guns trained on you.

Chrono

Originally posted by Caveat Lector

Originally posted by Skellon

I believe it was the late William 'Bill' Cooper that stated words to this effect; I do not believe that any man is evil, no man wakes up in the morning intent on doing evil. The actions of a man may be deemd as evil but in their mind they are justified in whatever their intent is.

Just to clarify, not talking about individual soldiers here but rather the government that ordered the strike.

Do they wake up in the morning wanting to commit evil, I hope not. However there is a real possibility they wake up and decide that the toughest kid on the block doesn't get pushed around, so better bloody some noses for little reason but to show them we're tough.

It's barbaric what's just happened here. Just think what these people were trying to achieve and for what reasons - look what Israel has done!!!

File this under 'Wild Speculation'.

It is my belief that there was a 'mob for hire' on this ship.

The footage shows about 20 people on top deck 'resisting' the boarding party.

This ship was carrying hundreds of people. They are not to be seen as they obviously did not want anything to do with it.

If you are armed with everything apart from firearms and you beat someone with the intent on killing them and they use a gun on you as they fear for their lives.. providing both parties survive, who is then the guilty party?

This reaks of set-up to me.

We may actually find out someday.

However I respect your opinion.