Debut of the Truth Party

Sander Hicks, an ultra-liberal and "green-industry" entrpenour, has proposed a wonderful idea that is seemingly appropriate and long overdue. An actual political party with its foundation based upon the truth movement. Lets just get past the "liberal" label for a moment as I'll come to that a little later in this post.

May 21, 2010
Sanderhicks.com

This Sunday will be historic.

We are talking about starting what will soon become a major political force: something optimistic, smart, and savvy.

We will win elections. We will change the world.

As many of you saw from my blog, I have left the Green Party. But I learned a lot there, and it's time for a new formation.

All good people are invited to an experimental, exploratory discussion and meeting, chaired by me, Sander Hicks, regarding the founding of a new political party. The working name of the party is currently "The Truth Party" but there's also been some discussion of that name, see below.


WHERE: Ukrainian East Village Restaurant, on 2nd Ave and E. 1Oth Street

WHEN: 6 PM, Sunday, May 23.

RSVP: sanderhicksdotcom AT gmail.com

THOUGHTS ON WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT:

I'm not talking about starting a "third party" or anything marginal like that. I'm talking about starting something that has great appeal, great politics, smart marketing, empowering culture, and a winning strategy.

The two big parties are going through twin identity crises: neither really understands what is going on with the global economic meltdown. Neither can tell you what they believe. So the GOP is doing this little dance with the Tea Parties, and letting unfocussed anger rule the day. Meanwhile, the Democrats have become the leaders of a bloody empire with wars too expensive to continue, with a dollar in decline, and mounting debts too big to service.

But our new party will be different. We are not going to be another "Left" sect. The Truth movement has taught me the power of organizing beyond the left/right divide. Now it's time to take those politics into a new realm.

The mission of the Left is still inspiring: expanding rights, standing for peace, demanding economic freedom, and ending slavery. We need to smash the bonds that addict us to war, deception, and the systemic waste of the US Federal Government. But there are some lessons too to learn from traditionalist, right-of-center politics: the Bill of Rights is great because it protects our freedoms from an expanding Federal state.

Source: 911truth.org...


Normally, because my political views are very far from the supposed left, I would be suspicious of any former hard-core liberal using the truth movement as a political platform but this seems to be a very good idea, so long as the party is based upon the truth movement and not some liberal agenda with a hint of truth, so to speak.

We need to move past the false left-right paradigm and I see such a party as the perfect conduit to do just that. If anything else, a "truth party" would be a great way to unify the movement. As it is now, the truth movement doesn't have traction because we are not anywhere close to being a unified movement. If only we could put our relatively cosmetic political differences aside and unite under one banner, the truth about what happened on 9/11, the events and policies that lead up to it and the subsequent consequences, both direct and indirect, of the tragic events of that day, nothing else.

Of course it would be detrimental that we don't let the typical left-right politics invade the ultimate message and agenda, lest we be "tea-partied". From my observations, this is what went wrong with the Tea Party. Anyway, I hope we could get such a political movement started and going strong as an effort to unify the entire truth movement under one lock-step political movement.

--airspoon


[edit on 21-5-2010 by airspoon]

[edit on 21-5-2010 by airspoon]

Edited in proper "ex" tags.

[edit on 5/21/2010 by semperfortis]

Ambitious individuals will say anything until they become elected, in fact they will do the polar opposite in some instances.
Think Stalin
Think Hitler
The ministry for truth sound familiar?
All they will do is make the truth institutionalised falsehood that cannot be challenged or indeed be spoken about.
Trust us we are the TRUTH PARTY ....they will kill truth and shape it to fit ?
Just as Stalin killed communism and anyone who knew what communism was supposed to be.
So will truth be killed by those who seek to use it... in order to be powerful .

reply to post by airspoon


I agree about the left-right thing, but I would hope that a guy looking into 9/11 truth would have figured that out by now and dropped his liberal convictions.

reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross


I believe that this is exactly what he is saying. Also, the truth movement, at least the visible part, is famously left-leaning but by even coming to that conclusion, we are letting the politics of the false left-right paradigm intervene. If we could only get past that, just like the when the Tea Party started out, then I think we could have something huge. The problem with the Tea Party, as everyone pretty much knows by now, is that the Republican Party hijacked the movement, well after it started to pick up steam. They eventually injected the whole left vs. right attitude into that basically flattened the fizzle and ultimately derailed the initial intent. If we could start a political movement, similar to how the Tea Party was formed, then we could unite and actually start making some waves, instead of the small noise that we are making now, if that.

--airspoon

Any new party will eventually fall victim, not to the bogus left vs. right charade, but to the big money interests that run everything.

For this, or any new party to succeed in returning power back to the people ( and that is what we're talking about, right?), someone has to figure out how to curtail Big Money's influence while at the same time allowing business to thrive.

The question then becomes, "What do we do with Money?"

reply to post by airspoon


Also, I think the Tea Party allowed themselves to be portrayed as just pissed off people and not, necessarily, INFORMED pissed off people.

Originally posted by Dr Conspire
Trust us we are the TRUTH PARTY ....they will kill truth and shape it to fit ?

That's was my first thought too.

How easy would it be, even if they are legit, to be bought out or infiltrated by TPTB eventually anyway?

Certainly could become dangerous.

Maybe it's a clever plan to round up sheep that have jumped the fence?

[edit on 21/5/10 by NuclearPaul]

reply to post by NuclearPaul


Unlike the current Tea Party, the Truth Party would only attract those already awake and very suspicious, the millions of us that have no conduit to unite. The Tea Party was so easily taken over because it attracted everyday ordinary folks who were pissed off that Obama got elected. In order for someone to subscribe to the "truth party", they would have to subscribe to the idea that government could be the real terrorists. If we learn from the mistakes of the Tea Party and become more organized than the Tea Party, it could be successful.

The bottom line is that we are not going to accomplish anything without being able to unite. We might as well go find a cave to crawl into and then curl up and wait for the inevitable. There really is a reason that millions of Americans (or close to it) and many more people across the globe are staying pretty much marginalized and that is because there is nothing to unite us. This is also the reason that disinfo is spread so easily because there is not a main authority to rebut or otherwise dispel such propaganda. Many movements much smaller than the 9/11 movement, have been successful at making change, or at least making noise. The truth movement isn't even really making noise, despite the fact that our numbers are very strong, maybe even stronger than the Tea Party.

We can bi# and moan until we are red in the face about 9/11 truth but until we unite and ultimately organize, our moans and gripes aren't going to mean anything at all. We will also continue to be marginalized by the false left-right paradigm without even having a dog in the fight.

--airspoon

Edited to add: Throughout history, people with a common goal or belief have organized to push that goal or belief forward. Those that have not, simply have faded out of history with their goals and beliefs never realized. We all have a common belief and it would be dumb to not turn our numbers into political muscle by organizing and thus watching our goals come to fruition. This is how most, if not all political movements have been successful.

[edit on 21-5-2010 by airspoon]

I like the idea. I, too, have been trying to think of the best way to unite those of us who are "awake".

But the money question is a big one. We must come up with an answer. Nothing gets done without money. Those who have all, or nearly all, of the money are the problem. What to do?

I really do want an answer to this question.

And then I'm in.

reply to post by Nyrossius Maxim


You know, while money is important, grass roots activism is also extremely effective. It has worked before and can work again. Also, its not as if the movement would be broke. Look how much the C4L had had raked in, in just a couple of months and that was only the C4L, not nearly as large of a movement. Also, there are many "truthers" with large bank accounts, especially when you count the world-wide believers. Again, grass-roots activism can be extremely effective... Its how most revolutions are realized and more recently and relevant, its how big tobacco went down.

Also, the best way to come up with solutions to "speed-bumps", we have to come together and make a plan to even see what those speed-bumps would be.

--airspoon

I've met the guy a few times in person at 9/11 Truth events here in NYC. Smart guy and a good egg. I will be keeping a close eye and wish him the best.

There is only one way to overcome the decided left right division and that is to make everything voluntary. Until that happens all else is a waste of time.

Having said that this sounds more like a ploy to me if not wishful thinking... Yeah we need one big truth party in power like the psychotic power mongers who gravitate to these things won't do the same thing with the supposed truth party...

Such is the way of democracy as there is nothing to stop the fascist and socialist from putting on some lingerie and different color lip stick and talk dirty to the constituency and get themselves elected to the new party leadership.

reply to post by hawkiye


Who cares about the socialists and fascists (though when it comes down to it, both parties are fascists) as it pertains to this issue. This "party" wouldn't have the ultimate goal of electing a president, per se, rather it would have an ultimate goal of using political muscle to uncover the truth and fight for justice. This party would be more of an organized political party, similar to how unions organize, only it would be much, much bigger. The Repubs and Democrats can do whatever it is they like to do, though the important thing here, at least at first, is that we focus on ourselves by uniting and organizing. Again, we won't accomplish anything without organizing and disinformation will continue to propagate without a unified voice to dispel it.

--airspoon

Let me say this. If i could live in a house full of people who were for powering up this movement, i would do it in a heart beat. I am waiting to get a u2u from someone who is into serious # that i could be a part of in person someday. I feel people like me, non violent individuals who share the same interest in this topic could do a great thing by working together outside of the internet.

Originally posted by Dr Conspire
Ambitious individuals will say anything until they become elected, in fact they will do the polar opposite in some instances.
Think Stalin
Think Hitler
Think Bush
Think Obama
The ministry for truth sound familiar?
All they will do is make the truth institutionalised falsehood that cannot be challenged or indeed be spoken about.
Trust us we are the TRUTH PARTY ....they will kill truth and shape it to fit ?
Just as Stalin killed communism and anyone who knew what communism was supposed to be.
So will truth be killed by those who seek to use it... in order to be powerful .

Edited for the 21st century.

What's the Truth Party's stand going to be on health care? Or electoral reform?

Originally posted by jprophet420

Originally posted by Dr Conspire
Ambitious individuals will say anything until they become elected, in fact they will do the polar opposite in some instances.
Think Stalin
Think Hitler
Think Bush
Think Obama
The ministry for truth sound familiar?
All they will do is make the truth institutionalised falsehood that cannot be challenged or indeed be spoken about.
Trust us we are the TRUTH PARTY ....they will kill truth and shape it to fit ?
Just as Stalin killed communism and anyone who knew what communism was supposed to be.
So will truth be killed by those who seek to use it... in order to be powerful .

Edited for the 21st century.

Brillaint edit.
Truth is for exposing lies, not to be owned.

reply to post by airspoon


You claim to advocate the principles set forth in your O.P. of this so called "Truth Party", then blatantly ignore the call to get past the left/right divide in order to casts dispersions at the Tea Party. That's truth for you baby. What is true for you is true, and the same goes for everyone else, and somewhere in between all of that is the truth. The biggest problem with this so called "Truth Party" is the call to "expand rights". Rights are Inalienable and exist without any grant of government and no one can expand them, they simply are. That is my truth. It is a truth I see as not just self evident, but universal, which means whatever rights I have, everyone else has as well, and such a universality can not be expanded anymore than infinity can be expanded.

Now, is this "truth" party going to allow people with fringe accusations (I.E. nukes in the basement, no planes, secret cults of Satan worshipping numerologists, etc) to have membership and have their say, or will the "truth" party invoke censorship and repression by keeping those people out becuase they make you look bad by association?

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
What's the Truth Party's stand going to be on health care? Or electoral reform?

The party doesn't take a stand on either one, unless they are somehow involved with 9/11, the cover up of 9/11 or the aftermath of 9/11. It is extremely important that this party stay focused on the goal and that is to uncover the truth of 9/11. When you start to include additional planks, not only does that distract from the mission, but it also starts to lean in the left-right direction. Again this only a party to promote 9/11 truth through political muscle. It would also be a group to officially dismiss disinformation and refute claims such as "no planes" and also debunkers.

As everyone knows, the debunkers only hit on the issues that the disinformation agents put out, like "no planes" so if we had an official body to refute those claims and put out the true claims, it would cut back on this current free reign that debunkers enjoy now. You see, the debunkers have united and their official body is the government and MSM and that's why they so easily get away with they do.

--airspoon