Robert Hastings has a message for UFO non-believers.

Sean48: I live near a Nuclear Power Plant . Are these plants visited by UFOs, or is it just nuclear military sites?

RH: No, sightings at commercial nuclear power plants are occurring as well. Appendix B in my book:

Although my own research has been exclusively devoted to UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites, UFO sightings at commercial nuclear power plants have been reported worldwide for over four decades. These incidents are obviously integral to the UFO-Nukes Connection. A short, far from complete, compilation of them appears below—including the widely-reported sighting of a UFO that hovered over the stricken Chernobyl nuclear plant, near Kiev, in Soviet Ukraine, after one of its reactors exploded in April 1986.

But that dramatic incident was certainly not the first to be reported:

Yankee Atomic Power Plant

September 13, 1967: In October 1967, physicist and UFO researcher Dr. James E. McDonald interviewed three individuals--F. Ward Fenn, Mrs. John E. Muzik, and Mrs. Ralph Rarey—who had reported seeing a UFO near the Yankee Atomic Power Plant, at Haddam Neck, Connecticut. According to the witnesses, the sighting occurred just after 11:00 p.m. As they were driving past the plant, they noticed “6-7 very bright lights” hovering over it, blinking on and off. 1 (Adapted from a synopsis by Mary Castner.)

Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant

June 24, 1984: Between 10:30 to 10:45 p.m., twelve security guards at the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant, near Peekskill, New York, reported seeing a UFO over the plant. It hovered directly above the exhaust funnel of one of the plant’s three nuclear reactors. UFO investigator Philip J. Imbrogno later interviewed six of the twelve security guards who saw the object. According to the witnesses, it was diamond-shaped and estimated to be 450 feet in length. It changed colors from white to blue to red to green to amber. Local police in Peekskill received numerous UFO sighting reports that same night.2 (Adapted from a synopsis by George D. Fawcett.)

Chernobyl Nuclear Power Station

April 26, 1986: Referring to the Chernobyl disaster, Dr. Vladimir V. Rubtsov, Director of the Research Institute on Anomalous Phenomena, in Kharkiv, Ukraine, has reported:

“...about one month before the Chernobyl disaster I had a talk with an air traffic controller of the Kharkov airport. He told me that, according to pilots’ reports, there was a rising number of UFO observations in the area of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Station (ChNPS). Later it became known that on the night of the fire in the ChNPS, some 3 hours after the explosion, a team of nuclear specialists saw in the sky over the station a fiery ball of the color of brass...Just before the observation these specialists measured the level of radiation in the place where they were standing. It was…3000 milliroentgens per hour. [After the UFO left, it was] only 800 milliroentgens per hour...” 3 (Adapted from MUFON’s 1994 Symposium Proceedings)

In September 2002, Pravda published an article titled, “UFO Prevents Blast at Chernobyl Nuclear Plant”, saying that hundreds of witnesses saw the UFO. One, Mikhail Varitsky, was quoted as saying, “I and other people from my team went to the site of the blast at night. We saw a ball of fire, and it was slowly flying in the sky. I think the ball was six or eight meters in diameter. Then, we saw two rays of crimson light stretching towards the fourth unit. The object was some 300 meters from the reactor. The event lasted for about three minutes. The lights of the object went out and it flew away in the northwestern direction.” 4

Palo Verde Nuclear Power Station

Over the last decade there have been UFO sightings just west of Phoenix, Arizona, at the Palo Verde nuclear power plant. The National UFO Reporting Center (NUFORC) has posted accounts by at least three individuals who witnessed strange aerial activity there. One of the reports is presented here:

July 20, 2004: Bright lights southwest of Phoenix near Palo Verde Nuclear Power plant

[At 10:15 p.m.,] I was driving my 18-wheeler west on I-10. At about 20 miles west of Phoenix I noticed two bright glowing lights southwest of [me] and just east of the Palo Verde nuclear power plant. They were very bright [and illuminated] the foothills that run on the south of the freeway. [There was] about a 10-mile-distance from where I was and the lights in the sky. The lights were a bright orange, kind of like a street light. These two balls of light [were] side by side...As I was looking at them, all of a sudden, they just slowly faded away and then reappeared further west of the first [position] but this time the lights were on top of each other for about 5-6 min. I had just pulled off the freeway so that I could view them through my binoculars, but all I could make out was the bright light, and no formation. What was kind of rare was to see what seemed to be some jets flying close to the lights in a circling motion. Then all of a sudden [the lights] slowly dimmed out into the night sky. I could still see the jets flying around [and] I could hear them. I didn’t see the lights anymore. A driver who was [traveling] with me saw this as well.5

Surry Nuclear Power Plant

May 19, 2008: Disk Sighted Over Surry Nuclear Power Station, Surry County, Virginia

“At about 12:20 p.m., 19 May 2008, I observed what appeared to be a large, metallic disk hovering very near the Surry Nuclear Power Station. [The sighting was] a little more than hour from the time of this writing, so the memory is still fresh and vivid.

…I spotted an object over the James River, moving from east to west at a very slow speed. At first I thought it may have been a kite because it was a very windy day (the winds were gusting out of the SW at 20-30 mph)…But when I came to an open spot in the road unobstructed by trees I stopped to get a better look and decided it was much too large to be a kite. It is a about a mile across the channel to the Surry Station and what I saw appeared to be very near the station’s twin domes and it must have been at least as large as they are, and perhaps larger. Besides that the object was moving very slowly against the wind, left to right from my vantage point, and its upper surface caught the sunlight and reflected like a sheet of aluminum foil. Its underside was dark. Then I thought that it might be an advertising balloon or dirigible, but the shape did not seem right. This was definitely a flattened disk. And, because it was so windy it did not seem like a good day to take a blimp up. (And, with security so high these days it does not seem logical that anyone would be permitted to get that close to power station. I have seen military helicopters on training missions over the river, but even they keep a wide berth from the power plant.)

I have eliminated the possibility of helicopters and small aircraft because, as I say, this object was hovering/drifting and appeared to be making a very leisurely circuit of the power plant. I walked down to water’s edge to see if I could get a better look, but without binoculars I couldn’t make out any other useful details. I watched it like this for a good 15-20 minutes. In that time it completely circled the station, moving against the wind. It appeared to correct its angle at times, very slowly rocking up and down…”

When NUFORC Director Peter Davenport posted this online, he wrote: “Traditionally, we do not post reports immediately upon receipt, given that even dramatic sightings often end up having some terrestrial explanation. However, in this case, the witness is a skilled scientist (retired), and he was able to observe the object for a considerable length of time, up to 20 minutes, he estimates.” 6

--Robert Hastings

www.ufohastings.com

Drew Hempel: O.K. so Robert you are referring to a "mystery" author of a forthcoming Bennewitz book -- the name has to remain a secret? That's HILARIOUS!

RH: The researcher in question has specifically asked me not to reveal his name until the book is published. You find *that* hilarious? Perhaps honoring promises is not part of your own modus operandi.

Further, given your seemingly perpetual cluelessness, in your earlier post you not only jumped to conclusions about the author but also misinterpreted my remark about the information that will be forthcoming: This person has definitive photographic evidence of UFO activity at the Manzano WSA, not evidence of secret military activity at Kirtland, as Doty claims, and Bishop repeated.

I had written, "Moore also admitted that he had performed the same shameful service by monitoring the late Paul Bennewitz, who had been provided with OSI-created lies about alleged UFO activity and alien schemes against humanity. According to Moore, Bennewitz had become a target for this disinformation and harassment after he informed OSI, in October 1980, that he had photographed UFOs over the Manzano [Nuclear] Weapons Storage Area, located just east of Kirtland AFB, on several occasions during the previous 15 months. Soon-to-be-released evidence, collected and analyzed by another researcher, will prove that this was indeed true."

From this, you incorrectly assumed that I was referring to Bishop, and that the soon-to-be-released evidence related to secret military activity. As I stated in my "Operation Bird Droppings" article, it was only *after* Bennewitz reported bona fide UFO activity at Manzano (now verified by the researcher in question) that OSI began its disinfo op against Bennewitz, directing him to northern New Mexico, and away from the WSA, by telling him of the supposed underground alien base at Dulce, and the alleged horrors occurring there.

In short, Drew, your inattentive reading or, perhaps, basic inability to comprehend information not in-synch with your own biases, is the reason you are a waste of my time.

Robert how many years will it take for this secret author to finish their book on Bennewitz? Greg Bishop published Project Beta what - 10 years ago? O.K. 5 years ago -- that's not too long ago I guess. But apparently if your secret friend has a secret photo of UFO activity -- NOT secret military technology -- then it's too bad they have to hold back. haha.

Seriously Robert UFO stands for UNIDENTIFIED which, btw, does not preclude secret military technology! That's just a basic point in logic which I realize you are making a point to differentiate.

I wish I could make the same conclusions as you Robert -- that round objects in the sky are NOT secret military technology and therefore must be extraterrestrial.

Again Robert I look forward to reading your book and it's great that you are providing so many free excerpts. You've obviously devoted your life to researching this topic of UFO and Nukes.

The problem of unknown phenomenon is obviously a very emotionally stressful topic -- especially around nuclear weapons and nuclear power. For example emissions of radioactive waste from nuclear power plants continues to be a very taboo topic.

This quarterly newspaper NukeWatch is the best source that I can find on these secret taboo technological snafus about nuclear power. I'm sure you know that regulation of nuclear energy is considered federal as it's a military issue -- even industrial nuclear energy. It's not even possible for nuclear energy to have insurance -- any nuclear energy disasters have to be paid for by taxpayers. Pretty nice deal!

www.nukewatch.com...




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Originally posted by drew hempel
Robert how many years will it take for this secret author to finish their book on Bennewitz? Greg Bishop published Project Beta what - 10 years ago? O.K. 5 years ago -- that's not too long ago I guess. But apparently if your secret friend has a secret photo of UFO activity -- NOT secret military technology -- then it's too bad they have to hold back. haha.

Drew, I hope I'm not out of line getting in the middle of this discussion, but frankly, I don't see how the time it will take someone to finish their book is relevant to Mr. Hastings' point. Nor should it be to the larger point he's been making—that UFOs flew over and perhaps interfered with military bases which housed and operated nuclear weapons.

Seriously Robert UFO stands for UNIDENTIFIED which, btw, does not preclude secret military technology! That's just a basic point in logic which I realize you are making a point to differentiate.

I believe you are confusing the evidence Mr. Hastings is putting forward, and talking about—of UFOs flying over these bases—with his opinion that some of them display characteristics well beyond the capabilities of, publicly, known aircraft.

It seems as if your argument to Mr. Hastings information can be roughly described like this: "All of what you are saying doesn't matter because you think these were alien craft and we have no way of knowing what these objects were."

The opinion that they might be extra-terrestrial craft or whatever is, in my opinion, another question that shouldn't detract us from focusing on the main issue—did the events, in which apparently unknown objects displayed interest and interfered with nuclear weapons in these bases, happen or not?

The military has denied—as far as I'm aware—of anything ever happening in every one of these cases; and Mr. Hastings—and others—are making, and have been making, the case that they indeed happened. Let's focus on that, and leave for another time the question of the origin of these objects; because even if these things truly happened, maybe no one even knows what the origin of these objects was/is, and that includes the military.

From my book:

Of all the interviews I’ve conducted with former or retired ICBM launch officers over the past three decades, this was perhaps the most disturbing. According to the source, David H. Schuur, a UFO had apparently activated the launch sequence in most of his Minuteman missiles.

In August 2007, Schuur told me, “I saw your request for information in the [June 2007] Association of Air Force Missileers Newsletter. I was involved in a UFO incident at Minot AFB in the mid-1960s. I had read your earlier article [in the September 2002 AAFM Newsletter] but was hesitant to respond.” I asked Schuur why he had been hesitant. He replied, “Well, we were basically told, way back when, that it was classified information and, you know, it didn’t happen and don’t discuss it. I guess I was still operating on that idea when I saw your first article.”

Schuur had obviously had a change of heart. He continued, “Anyway, I was a Minuteman missile crewmember in the 455th/91st Strategic Missile Wing at Minot from December 1963 through November 1967. I was a 1st Lieutenant during that period and the deputy commander that night. Since the incident occurred some 40 years ago, my memories are a bit foggy but, based on who my commander was at the time, I would say it occurred between July 1965 and July 1967.”

I asked Schuur if he could narrow the time-frame during which the incident occurred, by associating it with another event. He replied, “Not really, but my sense is that the incident occurred toward the end of my duty in the [missile] field, so it was probably during 1966, or ’67. I was pulling alert in the Echo [Launch Control] Capsule and was at the console at the time, probably early in the morning when the commander was sleeping. I know I was at Echo because that’s where I pulled almost all of my alert duty. My crew commander at the time has died. He was a Lieutenant Colonel at Minot, in his 50s—he was in the reserves, an old Korea veteran, who was recalled to duty in the early 1960s.”

“As far as the incident, here’s my best recollection of it: Alpha capsule, which was east of us, reported on PAS—the Primary Alerting System—that their security personnel were observing a large, bright object hovering over some of their missile sites. It was moving from missile to missile. I think the Alpha missile crew also reported that they were receiving ‘spurious indicators’ on their missile control console, but I’m not certain about that. I know that a few minutes later our capsule had spurious indicators—anomalous readings—from some of our missiles.”

I asked Schuur to explain PAS. He said, “It was an open line between SAC headquarters and the wing command posts. There was a speaker in each launch capsule and when the command posts issued a directive, or whatever, we were able to hear it. When Alpha had their UFO sightings, they alerted the command post, at which time the command post called SAC headquarters. So, when the report of the sightings went out, we all heard it on PAS.”

Schuur continued, “But it wasn’t just Alpha and Echo. Over the next hour or so—I don’t recall exactly how long it was—all of the flights reported that their [Security Alert Teams] were observing a UFO near their facilities. The path of the object could be followed as it passed over each flight area by the reports on the PAS. The object moved over the entire wing from the southeast to the northwest, following the layout of the wing.”

Schuur elaborated, “All of them—Bravo Flight, Charlie, Delta, right on down the line to Oscar—were reporting sightings of this object. Minot’s missile field is laid out like the letter ‘C’. Alpha is located southeast of the base, and the other flights—Bravo, Charlie and so forth—were south, southwest, west, northwest, then north of Minot. Oscar, the last flight, is at the top of the ‘C’, north of the base. The object—as far as I know, it was only one object—came across Alpha Flight, then moved all the way around the flights and ended up at Oscar. We could hear that on PAS. At Echo, it didn’t come close to the Launch Control Facility, it just visited the LFs (silos), then passed onto the next flight.”

“As far as our flight, Echo, a few minutes after hearing the report from Alpha, I received a call from topside security that a large bright light—actually, a large, bright object would be more accurate—was in the sky, to the east of the launch control facility. When the guard called down, he may have used the term ‘UFO’ but I don’t recall. He didn’t describe it’s shape or altitude because it was too far away. It never got close enough to the LCF to see any detail. At its closest, it was two, three, maybe four miles away from us, near one of the missile sites.”

Schuur continued, “However, when the object passed over our flight, we started receiving many spurious indications on our console. The object was apparently sending some kind of signals into each missile. Not every missile got checked [out] by the object, but there were several that did. Maybe six, seven, or eight. Maybe all ten got checked, but I don’t think so. As this thing was passing over each missile site, we would start getting erratic indications on that particular missile. After a few seconds, everything reset back to normal. But then the next missile showed spurious indicators, so the object had apparently moved on to that one, and did the same thing to it. Then on to the next one, and so on. It was as if the object was scanning each missile, one by one. The Inner Security and Outer Security [alarms were triggered] but we got those all the time, for one reason or another. However, on this particular night, we had to activate the ‘Inhibit’ switch because we got ‘Launch in Progress’ indicators! After a few minutes, the UFO passed to the northwest of us and all indicators reset to normal.”

I wanted to be certain about what I had just been told. I asked Schuur, “So, if you get a Launch in Progress indicator, does that mean the launch sequence has been triggered—that the missile is preparing to launch?” Schuur replied, “That means the missile has received a launch signal. When that happens, we get an indication in the capsule that a launch command has been received by that missile. If that happens, without proper authority, you flip what’s called an “Inhibit” switch, to delay the launch for a given period of time. If an Inhibit command comes in from another launch capsule, that shuts down the launch totally. But if that second command doesn’t come in, the missile will wait for a specified period of time and then launch automatically at the end of that expired period—theoretically. Of course, that night, we had all kinds of other indicators coming on from each missile so, in that situation, the launch probably would have aborted itself. I honestly don’t know.”

I asked Schuur if the Launch in Progress indicator had ever been triggered on any other occasion, either before or after the UFO incident, while he was on alert duty. He replied, “No, never.”

I asked Schuur if he had heard about missile maintenance teams having to replace components or whole systems in the affected missiles—the ones that generated the spurious readings. He replied, “No, if that happened, I never heard about it.”

Schuur said, “Upon returning to the base the next day, my commander and I were met by the operations officer. He just said, ‘Nothing happened, nothing to discuss, goodbye.’ Our logs and tapes were turned in. Every capsule had a 24-hour tape that, as I recall, recorded the communications that went over the PAS system, so all the reports would have been on that tape. But we were essentially told that nothing had happened that night and to discuss it no further. It was a non-event. We were never debriefed, by OSI or anyone else. We just went home. Most of the returning missile crews drove back to the base from their facilities, so they all arrived at different times. There was no group debriefing that I know of. I never heard another thing about the incident.”

I asked Schuur, “I know that you were given no feedback from your superiors, but what is your personal assessment of the event?” He replied, “Oh, I think something was up there, uh, scanning the missiles, seeing what was going on. Some kind of a scanning process.” I asked Schuur whether he thought the launch activation had been incidental or deliberate. He seemed surprised by my question and said, “I think that the scanning just set it off. It set all kinds of things off, we were getting all sorts of indicators. There were some kind of signals being sent [from the UFO] to the missile that inadvertently triggered the launch activation, but I don’t think it was deliberate. I hope not! That would have been—.” Schuur didn’t finish this sentence. His voice broke and he heaved a deep sigh. Apparently, the thought that those aboard the UFO might have deliberately attempted to launch his nuclear missiles that night had caused him to pause—and probably shudder—over 40 years later.

I obviously accept Schuur’s report as credible, but am of course attempting to locate other former members of his squadron who are willing to corroborate it. As Schuur candidly admitted, after reading my first article in the September 2002 AAFM newsletter, he waited some five years before approaching me. It was only after my second published request for information from former/retired USAF missileers, that he decided to unburden himself. This hesitant response is not atypical. Many of my former missile launch officer sources have not readily or easily divulged their UFO experiences to me, for one reason or another.

Importantly, to my knowledge, Schuur’s testimony represents the only credible report on record of a UFO temporarily activating a U.S. nuclear missile. However, there is one other reliable report of such an activation—in the Soviet Union. That incident will be discussed at length in a later chapter.

--Robert Hastings

www.ufohastings.com

The Soviet case referenced above:

The following is a transcript from ABC News Prime Time Live, a segment about recently released Soviet KGB UFO files. The broadcast date of the original program was October 5, 1994.

DIANE SAWYER: In an ABC News exclusive, first broadcast last October, we asked ABC News Correspondent David Ensor to find out what's in the KGB UFO files.

DAVID ENSOR: During a five month investigation Prime Time obtained over a thousand pages of documents collected by the old KGB. We spoke to dozens of Russian scientists, government officials, and military men. We now know that the entire Soviet armed forces, a total of 15 million people over ten years, was involved in a UFO study that turned up forty major incidents, including one that prompted fears of starting an accidental nuclear war.

As a result of the study hundreds of UFOs were recorded and some were photographed. Some of the reports and some of the photos are clearly faked. But in other cases there were multiple witnesses. [Image of a huge triangular UFO, filmed by a Soviet propaganda crew doing a film about military preparedness in the 1960's. The UFO image is very clear, showing a triangle shaped object a few miles high. The report states that the film was locked up by the KGB.]

DAVID ENSOR: October 4th, 1982 Byelokoroviche, Ukraine. Near a sleepy farming village our search brought us to perhaps the most frightening case of all, an incident that could have started an accidental nuclear war.

RUSSIAN MAN, EYEWITNESS: "I was riding a motorcycle not far from here. I saw a large object in the air. It had a perfect geometric shape."

DAVID ENSOR: Every person we spoke to in Byelokoroviche said they saw a flying saucer on that day. They told us it was huge, about 900 feet in diameter. For hours it hovered over the nearby ballistic missile base, where Lt. Col. Vladamir Plantonev worked as a missile engineer.

LT. COL.VLADAMIR PLANTONEV: "It looked just like a flying saucer. The way they show them in the movies. No portholes, nothing. The surface was absolutely even. The disk made a beautiful turn, like this, on the edge just like a plane. There was no sound. I had never seen anything like that before."

DAVID ENSOR: Lt. Col. Plantonev took me to the ruins of what was then a missile silo with a nuclear warhead pointed at the U.S. It was dismantled 3 years ago after an arms reduction treaty. Plantonev was in the bunker on that day 12 years ago. In this room were dual control panels for the missile, each hooked up to Moscow. What happened next so alarmed Soviet Military leadership that a four man commission was sent to investigate, including Col. Chernovshev.

COL. IGOR CHERNOVSHEV: "During this period for a short time signal lights on both the control panels suddenly turned on, the lights showing that missiles were preparing for launch. This could normally only happen if an order were transmitted from Moscow."

DAVID ENSOR: No one had touched any buttons. No one had entered any codes. And yet as the UFO hovered over the base, the control panel showed the missiles were preparing to launch. For 15 agonizing seconds, the base lost control of its nuclear weapons.

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To finish a thought:

So, let's see, at Minot AFB, the U.S. government, using one of its Top Secret UFOs, decided to activate several nuclear missiles targeted at cities and military bases in the Soviet Union--although their launching, had it actually occurred, would have triggered World War III.

No, that doesn't make sense. Maybe the Soviets, using one of their Top Secret UFOs, decided to activate several nuclear missiles targeted at their own country. No, wait, that doesn't make any sense either.

Hmmmm...

And, in Soviet Ukraine, maybe the U.S. used one of its Top Secret UFOs to activate several Soviet missiles, aimed at American cities and military bases.

No, that doesn't make sense. Maybe the Soviet Union, using one of its Top Secret UFOs, activated its own missiles--although their launching, had it actually occurred, would have triggered World War III. No, wait, that doesn't make any sense either.

Hmmmm...

Gee, I wonder if a third party was involved in these incidents? Let's see, maybe the Samoans, using one of their Top Secret UFOs, activated the superpowers' missiles...

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Depleted uranium makes sense:

www.naturalnews.com...

I got arrested twice at the largest depleted uranium producer in the world -- Alliant Tech.

UFO targeted a nuclear weapons facility in U.K. or plasma? One report among dozens.

www.downdemocrat.com...

This case and hundreds of others are documented in the MoD report entitled ‘Unidentified Aerial Phenomena in the UK’ which was only released after a university academic made a request for it under the Freedom of Information Act. Its conclusions are that ‘no evidence exists’ to confirm that UFOs are alien spacecraft and attributes most sightings to weather conditions, flocks of birds, or, intriguingly, to interference with witnesses’ brains by the presence of ‘plasma fields’. These fields, which occur naturally in the atmosphere, distort the workings of the human brain, leading to firmly held false memory and can also interrupt the normal running of machinery and car engines.

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In an earlier message to Gortex, regarding the UFO activity at RAF Bentwaters, in December 1980, I inadvertently provided the wrong link to my article about the case. The correct one is:

www.ufodigest.com...

Although skeptics have tried to dismiss the reports of UFOs at the nuclear Weapons Storage Area (WSA) as plasmas, meteors, hallucinations, etc., the witnesses' testimony proves otherwise. (For example, one of the UFOs was tracked on radar, performing a 90-degree turn, as it covered 120 miles in 8-12 seconds, according to the Air Force air traffic controllers I interviewed.) Talented plasma!

--Robert Hastings
www.ufohastings.com

TR-3B is a talented military machine. Stan Deyo figured this out as well. Thanks for the correction Robert Hastings!

Robert my ex was a Radar Tech in the Air Force from 1964-68 and was stationed in Labrador and Montauk among other places, the stories he told me years ago before I was interested in this subject parallel with what you are saying, he is many things but not a liar and I believe the things he told me, there are many like him out there who have stories that would knock your socks off.

Originally posted by drew hempel
TR-3B is a talented military machine. Stan Deyo figured this out as well. Thanks for the correction Robert Hastings!

May I ask why you think Stan Deyo is a reliable source or why you're convinced of the TR-3B's existence?

Converge: May I ask why [Drew thinks] Stan Deyo is a reliable source or why [he's] convinced of the TR-3B's existence?

RH: Deyo is a fraud. Long story, google it.

On the road for a few days. Later.

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That was exactly where I was trying to get.

Drew is constantly talking about how people aren't reliable and don't have any evidence, but he seems to accept Stan Deyo and the TR-3B story because it perhaps fits with his belief that the UFO phenomenon is nothing but military in origin.

I hope it's not that—and Drew will clarify his position—because that would be quite hypocritical.

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Converge I'm glad you hope that the triangles are extraterrestrial. You might want to read the Stargate Conspiracy by Prince and Picknett which details how the CIA have been promoting the "aliens" as the new religion.

Here's a new blog post on the triangles which I just posted a comment on -- and you can read that for further details on my evidence:

devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com...

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Aquarius1: Robert my ex was a Radar Tech in the Air Force from 1964-68 and was stationed in Labrador and Montauk among other places...

RH: I know that UFOs were tracked at Montauk in the early 1950s and probably later on as well. Not to mention at Malmstrom AFB. Another excerpt from my book:

In the late 1960s, Grover Austad worked as an FAA controller at the SAGE building on Malmstrom AFB. In a telephone interview conducted in December 2003, he described his involvement in the radar tracking of a UFO. “One night this object came on the radar and it was moving at tremendous speed,” he said, “We estimated that it was flying about 2,400 mph. Now, the controllers who worked at SAGE knew about the SR-71—even though it was still secret. [This was confirmed to me by a retired high-level FAA administrator.] But this thing, whatever it was, was even faster than that.” (The SR-71 “Blackbird” still holds the official record as the world’s fastest jet—at 2,193 mph—a speed achieved during a short-duration, straight-course flight on July 28, 1976.)

Austad continued, “So I called ADC—that’s Air Defense Command—to see if they had it too. The controller I talked to said, ‘Yeah, I see it, but UFOs don’t exist, do they?’ Then he laughed sarcastically. The object played around for a few minutes. It zigzagged back-and-forth, covering hundreds of miles. Then it disappeared off the scope.”

Austad said that this tracking, and similar ones that he only heard about, involving other controllers at Malmstrom, were formally logged by the FAA controllers and then reported to the ADC radar unit at SAGE. “We always told them about what we saw [on radar], but they never gave us any feedback.”

Austad then said that while the UFO he had tracked at SAGE was certainly startling, he had once been involved in another, truly astonishing incident. “I don’t remember the exact year that this occurred,” he said, “but one time, when I worked at the [FAA Air Traffic Control] Center in Salt Lake, we got a phone call from a radio station in Burley, Idaho. People had been calling them to report a huge cigar-shaped vehicle in the sky, about 60 to 70 miles north of Burley. So I called Hill AFB to tell them about it, and they scrambled an F-80. A little while later, the pilot radioed the base and said, ‘Well, this thing is up there, big as life, and 21 disc-shaped craft just came out of it!’ About ten minutes later, he came back on and said, ‘I’m at [my operational ceiling], but this thing is still far above me—at around 80,000 feet.’ That was probably the most spectacular incident that I remember.”

Perhaps significantly, if the huge cigar-shaped UFO was located some 70 miles north of Burley when it released the discs, it would have been less than 30 miles west of the National Reactor Testing Station (NRTS). Established in 1949, under the auspices of the Atomic Energy Commission, the NRTS was for many years the site of the largest concentration of nuclear reactors in the world. Over time, 52 were built and operated there, including the U.S. Navy’s first prototype submarine reactor.

Multiple incidents of unexplained aerial phenomena were indeed reported at the NRTS in the mid-1950s—the general time-frame of Austad’s account. For example, in his book, The Flying Saucer Conspiracy, researcher Donald Keyhoe wrote:

Saturday, June 26, 1954, at 12:40 A.M., a blinding glow—like an enormous floodlight suddenly appeared over the Atomic Energy Commission’s test station in eastern Idaho. Coming with the suddenness of an explosion, it dumbfounded night-shift workers who had just left the AEC plant.

Two of the witnesses, Kelly Brooks and A. L. Taylor, reported that the light remained motionless in the sky for several seconds, illuminating the ground for six or eight miles around. Then, rising at tremendous speed, it vanished.

Several times in the past three months identical lights had ‘exploded’ over the AEC plant. They were said to resemble gigantic flash bulbs. Until now this had been kept secret by the AEC. Hastily efforts were made to hide this incident too.

But the startled AEC workers were not under blackout orders. Within 30 minutes night-shift workers had phoned the Idaho Falls Post Register, and now the [Associated Press] had it.



--Robert Hastings

www.ufohastings.com

Originally posted by drew hempel
Converge I'm glad you hope that the triangles are extraterrestrial.

So questioning the reliability of Stan Deyo and his TR-3B story automatically means I think "the triangles are extraterrestrial"? You are mischaracterizing my position.

I don't even dismiss the possibility of the TR-3B, or some other craft like it, existing and being completely 'earthly,' I would, however, like to see the convincing evidence of its existence, and the people claiming it to be held up to scrutiny. Isn't that what you ask of people claiming UFOs flew over military bases operating nuclear weapons? The standards of evidence and burden of proof must apply to everyone, not just to those you qualify as believers.

So my position is clear and explicit I would like, at this point, inform you that I think only a small percentage of UFO sightings and cases aren't explainable as natural phenomena, hoaxes, misidentifications and secret military aircraft. I make no assumptions about the origins behind such cases as I have absolutely no way of knowing and I have yet to see the evidence that conclusively explains those cases one way or the other. I am, however, convinced—based on the existing evidence—that some of them don't appear to have prosaic explanations.

I hope that in the future you correctly address my position, or at least ask me what my position is—as I've asked of you just recently—before assuming I defend absurdities such as "the triangles are extraterrestrial", which I never claimed. Ever.

[edit on 27-1-2010 by converge]

Well I've thus far presented various alternatives which I think are more feasible than assuming there are humanoid extraterrestrials who happen to fly human-like technology a bit more advanced than currently public military craft.

So I appreciate you clarifying you don't think that the UFOs are extraterrestrial.

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Thank you for your reply Mr. Hastings, much appreciated.

Researcher Antonio Huneeus has just written an article about the 1982 incident in Soviet Ukraine, when a UFO hovered over a nuclear missile launch capsule and temporarily activated several missiles. I mentioned this case in an earlier post, in relation to my own interview with former U.S. Air Force ICBM launch officer David Schuur, who told me that a nearly identical incident had occured at Minot AFB, North Dakota, in the mid-1960s.

Huneeus' article is at: www....(nolink)/soviet-nukes-and-ufos/

It begins: ...Did UFOs almost trigger an accidental nuclear war in 1982? The incident in question occurred in south-central Ukraine on the evening of October 4th, according to official depositions from Soviet military units and interviews with one of the officers in charge of the investigation. There were multiple witnesses to the event, which took place between 7:30 and 9:37 pm, and many of them were Soviet military officers and personnel stationed at a long-range nuclear missile base in Usovo, near Byelokovoriche.

The depositions describe nighttime unidentified lights performing acrobatics in the sky over several villages around the missile base. That, in itself, is not particularly worrisome, as the reports don’t indicate any sign of hostility from the lights. But what happened at an underground bunker of Military Unit (MU) 52035, one which contained nuclear missiles launch control panels, is another matter entirely.

“For a short time,” retired Air Force Colonel Boris Sokolov told ABC TV News Moscow correspondent David Ensor, “signal lights on both the control panels suddenly turned on, the lights showing that missiles were preparing for launching. This could normally only happen if an order was transmitted from Moscow.” As director of the Ministry of Defense’s effort for “research into the field of anomalous phenomena in the atmosphere and in outer space,” Sokolov became a member of the four-man commission set up to investigate the so-called Usovo case...

Major Kataman wrote in his deposition that, “on the 4th of October 1982 at 21:37, I observed spontaneous illumination of all displays: BR, P, Sh, DR, GP, SR, PR, CZ, BT, NBT, GP, message, GB message, PP, PS, OR, PNS, Z, PZG, PZNS, figure indicators as in the regime ‘light marks’ at first push on the information board.” Confusing as this sounds—and the difficulties of translation notwithstanding (1)—the Major is implying that someone or something was apparently manipulating the series of precise control codes, four spaces and control code combination, which regulate the computerized missile control launch panel. His deposition added that, “testing of apparatus and measurement of parameters according to technical map 1-30 showed no defects. The apparatus was functioning normally,” that is, before and after the strange “illumination of all displays.”

Huneeus' article goes on to describe another Soviet UFO case, also mentioned on this thread in an earlier post, involving a UFO that hovered over a Soviet nuclear missile warhead depot, sending down beams of light into it. The same thing happened at RAF Bentwaters in December 1980, according to retired USAF Col. Charles Halt, when a UFO sent down beams of light into a U.S. Air Force nuclear weapons storage bunker.

--Robert Hastings
www.ufohastings.com