My two spirits

reply to post by FormerlyConfused



How about some proof as in video on youtube? That would put the matter to rest.

have you never heard that God helps those who help themselves?

saying God never intervened so it must be good is a cop out. just like any other addiction maybe you just haven't hit your bottom yet. will it take for your marriage to fail and your family to fall apart for you to stop denying?

you say you're completely content in your relationship with the spirits but you also say you've given in to them. happy wife happy life, if you want to see their true nature, reject them. really try to get away from them like you'd try to get away from a jealous woman in the material plane. see what happens.

what's the difference between someone having an internet relationship with someone they've never met in person except for seeing a couple of photos online and soemone having a relationship with a spirit? none.

little girls discover the ones they've been chatting with are overweight, balding slobs. one day you will see the true form of your spiritual partner too and it won't be pretty either.

i've read this entire thread and i can relate. maybe you should read from page one again and see that you've answered all your own questions. no one can help you get rid of them because you don't really want them gone. you are addicted to Lust and Passion and the first step is admitting it.

if you really want them gone you have to show your desire for righteousness is more than your desire for them. you mentioned you are christian and that you read the bible and pray a couple times a week. it is not enough. your reading and praying, basically your communication with God has to be more than your communication with them if you want to see any change. 'if you want' is the operative line.

i guarantee if you give it an honest shot to the point the spirits actually feel threatened of losing you, it will get worse before it gets better but then you'll see their true nature and hopefully your reaction will be a stronger desire to be free rather than to appease the spirits.

didn't you recognize jesus knocking at the door that day? it's not too late to wake up. i really hope you do.

reply to post by Patron Saint


you know for sure demons exist? Just like I asked disturbed, i want some proof. Paste some video links.

Today me and my family attends Sunday Mass.
I was saved in a non-typical UMC (Methodist) church which was filled with the Holy Ghost.

Where Catholic's and myself differ are this, I'm baptizied in The Holy Ghost which gives me power of the enemy. Priest's don't believe in this. Even if you brought a priest over, nothing would change.

I pray daily and read a few times a week.

Yes, based on past experience and his unwillingness to aid.
If your husband had no transgression against you - and you asked Jesus to remove him ... would he? No. Since I had no intervention I can only suspect the same reason.

I can assure you, Jesus would NOT condone this behavior. It is not that He is not willing to aid, because he can. I struggle at times with this, as people who are demon possessed sometimes will not get set free. It is because they do not want to change or they do not want delivered from it. Do you want deliverance from this? Truly, deep down...do you want delivered from this? There is a difference in asking Jesus to remove a human than their is a demon.

Yes

You must repent of your sins, welcome the baptism of the Holy Ghost, go through your house and throw away any "unclean" objects (DVD's, Blu-Ray movies, books, music CD's, etc anything that could have any satanic influence or attachment) and get into touch with a Pentecostal preacher in your area to help you.

You say she's a demon.
May I ask, do you consider any Earthbound spiritual being, spirit or ghost to be demonic? I'm not sure if you do or not but many Christians subscribe to the idea.

There are no ghosts, only demons. There is no "earthbound" spiritual being. If you read the Bible, you would account to this. When you die, you do not roam the earth. Only 1 thing roams the earth looking for whom he may devour. There is no way someone dies, becomes a ghost and wants to have sexual intercourse with a human. This is an unclean spirit, furthermore a demon.

I know you mean well but I've thoroughly beat that same path 30 years ago. I lived a completely sterile life as you describe back then for years. There was no help, no intervention or interference with her.

Just because you didn't get help back then doesn't mean you can't get help now my friend, I assure you. I am not on here to cast judgment, tell people this and that and the like. I have an obligation to preach God's word, whether people like it or not. There is hope for you my friend if you are willing to let it go. You can send me a message through a PM and I can get you in touch with someone that can help you. If you are close to me, I can help you. There IS HOPE, if you truly want set free from this. I know you've tried this and that in the past, but I don't believe in "religion"...I believe in the teaching of Jesus Christ and the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by phatkhat
reply to post by Patron Saint

 

you know for sure demons exist? Just like I asked disturbed, i want some proof. Paste some video links.

Yes, I know without a shadow of a doubt that Demons do exist. I don't have any video proof on hand. But I have seen these things with my own two eyes. There are some youtube videos of people that are Demon possessed and also Demon's being cast out of people, but you can't see them with your own eyes actually coming out of them. The gift of discernment, one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit allow you to see Demons.

Originally posted by Patron Saint

Originally posted by phatkhat
reply to post by Patron Saint

 

you know for sure demons exist? Just like I asked disturbed, i want some proof. Paste some video links.

Yes, I know without a shadow of a doubt that Demons do exist. I don't have any video proof on hand. But I have seen these things with my own two eyes. There are some youtube videos of people that are Demon possessed and also Demon's being cast out of people, but you can't see them with your own eyes actually coming out of them. The gift of discernment, one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit allow you to see Demons.

Yes, I have that gift. I call them lower levels. Though that is merely semantics. I have banished a few myself. It is scary.

Originally posted by Patron Saint

Originally posted by phatkhat
reply to post by Patron Saint

 

you know for sure demons exist? Just like I asked disturbed, i want some proof. Paste some video links.

Yes, I know without a shadow of a doubt that Demons do exist. I don't have any video proof on hand. But I have seen these things with my own two eyes. There are some youtube videos of people that are Demon possessed and also Demon's being cast out of people, but you can't see them with your own eyes actually coming out of them. The gift of discernment, one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit allow you to see Demons.

Hm. So what can you tell me about mine? I had some similar experiences to 'confused' here, but in my case it turned out to be a real human behind it. I even got her name.

Originally posted by Zerra

Originally posted by Patron Saint

Originally posted by phatkhat
reply to post by Patron Saint

 

you know for sure demons exist? Just like I asked disturbed, i want some proof. Paste some video links.

Yes, I know without a shadow of a doubt that Demons do exist. I don't have any video proof on hand. But I have seen these things with my own two eyes. There are some youtube videos of people that are Demon possessed and also Demon's being cast out of people, but you can't see them with your own eyes actually coming out of them. The gift of discernment, one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit allow you to see Demons.

Yes, I have that gift. I call them lower levels. Though that is merely semantics. I have banished a few myself. It is scary.

A few you say? At one point in history it was believed all criminals were under the devil's influence. But what exactly did they do to be scary?

Originally posted by phatkhat

Originally posted by Zerra

Originally posted by Patron Saint

Originally posted by phatkhat
reply to post by Patron Saint

 

you know for sure demons exist? Just like I asked disturbed, i want some proof. Paste some video links.

Yes, I know without a shadow of a doubt that Demons do exist. I don't have any video proof on hand. But I have seen these things with my own two eyes. There are some youtube videos of people that are Demon possessed and also Demon's being cast out of people, but you can't see them with your own eyes actually coming out of them. The gift of discernment, one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit allow you to see Demons.

Yes, I have that gift. I call them lower levels. Though that is merely semantics. I have banished a few myself. It is scary.

A few you say? At one point in history it was believed all criminals were under the devil's influence. But what exactly did they do to be scary?

Some people used a ouija board and invited in lower levels who were draining their energy as well as speaking to them all day inn thought form- telling them to commit suicide. They were embarrassed so did not tell anyone, but I could see the negative entities and asked them if they wanted them removed. It was scary because I don't prefer to deal with negative energy- and I was only a teenager at the time.

reply to post by Zerra



"Some people used a ouija board and invited in lower levels who were draining their energy as well as speaking to them all day inn thought form- telling them to commit suicide. They were embarrassed so did not tell anyone, but I could see the negative entities and asked them if they wanted them removed. It was scary because I don't prefer to deal with negative energy- and I was only a teenager at the time. "


I've heard of a bunch of ways demons can control you. Pop music - especially heavy metal, TV and movies, drugs, porn, etc. And in the dark ages the moon was a major factor [lunatic] and comets, and of course alcohol. And I guess just about anything that caused mayhem and disorder were caused by evil spirits.

What did the entities look like?

reply to post by phatkhat


Just to let you know, these entities have no physical form.

Lower dimensional entities that feed on negative energy, they like to get into your head and mess with you.

That's if of course you believe that. It's just another way of saying schizophrenia. It's the same thing.

And to the OP- auditory and visual hallucinations are infact schizophrenia. All those things you listed, is exactly what a schizophrenic will tell people in the hospital.

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reply to post by FormerlyConfused


Two souls, alas, are housed within my breast,
And each will wrestle for the mastery there.
The one has passion's craving crude for love,
And hugs a a world where sweet the senses rage;
The other longs for pastures fair above,
Leaving the murk for lofty heritage.

-Goethe

According to Jung, it is the opposition that creates the power (or libido) of the psyche. It is like the two poles of a battery, or the splitting of an atom. It is the contrast that gives energy, so that a strong contrast gives strong energy, and a weak contrast gives weak energy. (source)

The existence of two mutually antagonistic tendencies, both striving to drag man into extreme attitudes and entangle him in the world, whether on the material or spiritual level, sets him at variance with himself and accordingly demands the existence of a counterweight. (CW part 6, page 217)

It may mean the uniting in Tao, if they were about to be married with you. Whatever it means. Take care.

-v

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reply to post by OdovacarDvilhelm



I've heard it called something else - sleep paralysis. And of course one can have dreams and nightmares to accompany it. And you can also have dreams and nightmares while half asleep. But that doesn't make them crazy.

But suppose it WAS something more? They got more than just mere smoke and mirrors to use nowadays. As for things paranormal, I'll leave that open as I admit we don't have the answers to everything.

Originally posted by phatkhat
reply to post by Zerra

 

"Some people used a ouija board and invited in lower levels who were draining their energy as well as speaking to them all day inn thought form- telling them to commit suicide. They were embarrassed so did not tell anyone, but I could see the negative entities and asked them if they wanted them removed. It was scary because I don't prefer to deal with negative energy- and I was only a teenager at the time. "


I've heard of a bunch of ways demons can control you. Pop music - especially heavy metal, TV and movies, drugs, porn, etc. And in the dark ages the moon was a major factor [lunatic] and comets, and of course alcohol. And I guess just about anything that caused mayhem and disorder were caused by evil spirits.

What did the entities look like?

I'm a psych major-I do understand the false preceptions that disorders had on people back in the day. I do not believe in people being attacked by low level entities through the music they listen to, the crimes they commit, or the mistakes they make. I'm not undereducated by any means. I do have a gift that is spiritual and I do believe in spirit as well as science.

negative entities find people who were setting out to communicate with the paranormal-Through free will and their own intent- I see them as a 'sense' of energy. Sort of how you may be able to smell garbage rotting I can 'smell' or sense negative entities. They can have any form they choose. They cause people a lot of problems but it is actually quite rare to find people attached to any. Usually there is a normal explanation.

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i cannot believe that another member has a very similar experience like me. i really need to talk to you because what is happening to me is a lot bigger than your story but very similar in a erotic, loving ghost. I have 6 years SPEAKING with this ghost, when i tell you talking is hours and hours (sometimes 3-4 hours) conversation anytime of the day. while at work, at home, night day you name it. i would like to get a reading and to be recorder for all you members. If anyone who knows how to do a reading (and hipnosys aswell) in the NYC area i would glad to meet with you.

Is true about been very smart, she is (my ghost) very very smart. She lived 2000 years ago with me (yes this is proof of recarnation even if most of you don't believe this member or me)

i would express alot better my situation you can search my nick and see the few post i have posted about my experience. i which i could explain myself better but english is not my native language and is so hard for me to find work that make sense to you guys.

reply to post by Zerra



"I'm a psych major-I do understand the false preceptions that disorders had on people back in the day. I do not believe in people being attacked by low level entities through the music they listen to, the crimes they commit, or the mistakes they make. "

Ok, that's just a list coming from your typical charismatic christian theologist. And I think it's all based on temptation and not actual possession. Leading people astray along the lines of Mary Magdalene.

"I'm not undereducated by any means. I do have a gift that is spiritual and I do believe in spirit as well as science."

You are a parapsychologist? I agree with most of what they say, but a little seems far fetched such as mind reading and telekinesis.

"negative entities find people who were setting out to communicate with the paranormal-Through free will and their own intent- I see them as a 'sense' of energy. Sort of how you may be able to smell garbage rotting I can 'smell' or sense negative entities. They can have any form they choose. They cause people a lot of problems but it is actually quite rare to find people attached to any. Usually there is a normal explanation."

No other things at all like hair standing up or prickly skin [small hairs] smells or any light shows? A common theme involving many ghost stories. Alot of people report similar events involving electrical phenomena such as ball lighting and st elmo's fire.

I'm not trying to dish paranormal activity, since there are many scientists who take it seriously. But I do think that there are some that exploit such phenomena for own ends.

Originally posted by eduardmc
i cannot believe that another member has a very similar experience like me. i really need to talk to you because what is happening to me is a lot bigger than your story but very similar in a erotic, loving ghost. I have 6 years SPEAKING with this ghost, when i tell you talking is hours and hours (sometimes 3-4 hours) conversation anytime of the day. while at work, at home, night day you name it. i would like to get a reading and to be recorder for all you members. If anyone who knows how to do a reading (and hipnosys aswell) in the NYC area i would glad to meet with you.

Is true about been very smart, she is (my ghost) very very smart. She lived 2000 years ago with me (yes this is proof of recarnation even if most of you don't believe this member or me)

i would express alot better my situation you can search my nick and see the few post i have posted about my experience. i which i could explain myself better but english is not my native language and is so hard for me to find work that make sense to you guys.

Just set up a camcorder. In this day and age it should be rather easy to catch such activity.

Originally posted by eduardmc
i cannot believe that another member has a very similar experience like me. i really need to talk to you because what is happening to me is a lot bigger than your story but very similar in a erotic, loving ghost. I have 6 years SPEAKING with this ghost, when i tell you talking is hours and hours (sometimes 3-4 hours) conversation anytime of the day. while at work, at home, night day you name it. i would like to get a reading and to be recorder for all you members. If anyone who knows how to do a reading (and hipnosys aswell) in the NYC area i would glad to meet with you.

Is true about been very smart, she is (my ghost) very very smart. She lived 2000 years ago with me (yes this is proof of recarnation even if most of you don't believe this member or me)

i would express alot better my situation you can search my nick and see the few post i have posted about my experience. i which i could explain myself better but english is not my native language and is so hard for me to find work that make sense to you guys.

Just set up a camcorder. In this day and age it should be rather easy to catch such activity.

Originally posted by phatkhat
reply to post by Zerra

 

"I'm a psych major-I do understand the false preceptions that disorders had on people back in the day. I do not believe in people being attacked by low level entities through the music they listen to, the crimes they commit, or the mistakes they make. "

Ok, that's just a list coming from your typical charismatic christian theologist. And I think it's all based on temptation and not actual possession. Leading people astray along the lines of Mary Magdalene.

"I'm not undereducated by any means. I do have a gift that is spiritual and I do believe in spirit as well as science."

You are a parapsychologist? I agree with most of what they say, but a little seems far fetched such as mind reading and telekinesis.

"negative entities find people who were setting out to communicate with the paranormal-Through free will and their own intent- I see them as a 'sense' of energy. Sort of how you may be able to smell garbage rotting I can 'smell' or sense negative entities. They can have any form they choose. They cause people a lot of problems but it is actually quite rare to find people attached to any. Usually there is a normal explanation."

No other things at all like hair standing up or prickly skin [small hairs] smells or any light shows? A common theme involving many ghost stories. Alot of people report similar events involving electrical phenomena such as ball lighting and st elmo's fire.

I'm not trying to dish paranormal activity, since there are many scientists who take it seriously. But I do think that there are some that exploit such phenomena for own ends.

No, I'm not a parapsychologist. I have a normal degree in psychology. Just stating so, to show how I understand mental illness as a seperate issue than that of paranormal experiences. I don't equate them as one in the same. I was speaking, above, of attachments/possesion. Not of paranormal activity. Posession is energy attachment while activity is merely the shivers, noises, etc you described and can be either negative OR positive, or even neutral energy

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my first thought when reading your post was how these spirits reminded me of some of the '___' experiences i have read on Erowid. Our bodies naturally release small amounts '___' when in REM sleep, and it releases a ton of it when we die. But i dont think the people who wrote about their experiences were getting it the natural way. This habit you speak of makes me think that maybe you were not sober when they 1st entered your life. maybe I'm way off.. but maybe that is why you encountered them to begin with. why they stuck around.. i have no idea on that.