Are you HOPING for a complete collapse and chaos to happen?

Why are most of the post-collapse images all "Mad Max" or "apocalyptic"?

The entity that taxes you ceases to exist. You get freedom.

An agri-centered society with no arbitrary lords putting guns to your heads and demanding money.

And why do grandparents have to die without their SS checks? They got along fine before SS.

With the exception of rioting idiots in cities (who riot for just about anything anyway, blackout, sports team wins, Popeyes runs out of chicken etc...) the people will get along fine. Some will suffer "quality of life issues" as their cell phones die and Xboxs break down but many will actually thrive without the federal gang extorting from them and placing arbitrary shackles on the daily goings on of their lives.

Some HOPE for a collapse and burn, others HOPE it doesn't happen.

A second area is, with what is going on, do you think its LIKELY to happen?

Maybe a visual or two. First the American Civil War and second the Russian Civil War.

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We are not talking about a day at Disneyland here. We are talking death, disease and suffering for you, your children and all those you care for.

If this is what you truly want, you must be insane by definition.

[edit on 3/10/2009 by Blaine91555]

Everyone agrees that change is needed and the way things run needs to be fundamentally altered.

However, complete chaos, destruction, famine, and countless deaths....... that is not needed. If we get to that point, God save and protect all of us. No one should hope for the pain and suffering of innocents.

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It might be hell for the people fighting. Who says you have to fight anything or anyone? It doesnt have to be the way you seem to expect it to be.

Complete chaos, destruction, famine, and countless deaths is a very sad thing indeed but I find its the only thing that will force the masses to bloody do something, people are still thinking the economy will come back to a reasonable level and look at it! The Stage we are in is bad enough and still people carry on like its all going to be dandy. I dont like this crap either but stuff like that has to happen for it to go down in history forever and try to preserve the truth of what is going to unfold in the near future for further generations so they never forget what freedom is and the consiquences of giving it away to just anybody.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
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It might be hell for the people fighting. Who says you have to fight anything or anyone? It doesnt have to be the way you seem to expect it to be.

If there is anarchy and lawlessness, then yes you may be forced to fight, or defend yourself.

What will you do if you cant eat, or can't feed your family? Will you resort to crime if necessary?

We aren't talking about a war with another nation. We are talking about chaos, mayhem, lawlessness, desperation. You don't 'choose' to fight or not in those situations. Unless you decide to give up and die.

Originally posted by johnny2127
If there is anarchy and lawlessness, then yes you may be forced to fight, or defend yourself.

What will you do if you cant eat, or can't feed your family? Will you resort to crime if necessary?

We aren't talking about a war with another nation. We are talking about chaos, mayhem, lawlessness, desperation. You don't 'choose' to fight or not in those situations. Unless you decide to give up and die.

Like I dont have to defend myself now?

The only thing that'll keep me from eating is extended drought conditions. If I should be unable to feed myself I guess I'll die.

We're not talking chaos, mayhem or any of that other crap unless you live in some densely populated area.

If this all boils down to a bunch of urban dependents trying to maintain the status quo then that's your fight not mine.

All I want is to be left alone for better or worse and the fed wont allow me that. The sooner it crumbles the better off I'll be. Sucks for you if you're some urban dependent but frankly I blame all of those people for this mess in the first place. If the urbans cant find the wherwewithall to not kill each other for Twinkies that isnt my problem and if you're stupid enough to stick around and make it your problem then that's a choice you've made.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by johnny2127
If there is anarchy and lawlessness, then yes you may be forced to fight, or defend yourself.

What will you do if you cant eat, or can't feed your family? Will you resort to crime if necessary?

We aren't talking about a war with another nation. We are talking about chaos, mayhem, lawlessness, desperation. You don't 'choose' to fight or not in those situations. Unless you decide to give up and die.

Like I dont have to defend myself now?

The only thing that'll keep me from eating is extended drought conditions. If I should be unable to feed myself I guess I'll die.

We're not talking chaos, mayhem or any of that other crap unless you live in some densely populated area.

If this all boils down to a bunch of urban dependents trying to maintain the status quo then that's your fight not mine.

All I want is to be left alone for better or worse and the fed wont allow me that. The sooner it crumbles the better off I'll be. Sucks for you if you're some urban dependent but frankly I blame all of those people for this mess in the first place. If the urbans cant find the wherwewithall to not kill each other for Twinkies that isnt my problem and if you're stupid enough to stick around and make it your problem then that's a choice you've made.

Ignorance must be bliss as they say. You really think life wouldn't change for you? You really think the only ones that would have to fight are those in densely packed areas?

You make the mistake of thinking only about your situation. Play out the string. If there are desperate people without means to eat, they flood to wherever they need to go to survive. You think you are immune because you aren't in a dense area? What do you think the survivalist in many will think if something like this goes down? That need to get out of Dodge and to an area like yours.

You aren't immune, you are willfully ignorant. I sincerely hope none of this happens and you are able to continue your existence as you see fit. But you obviously do not grasp what this would look like if it went down. You may be prepared, but those around you may not be.

What happens to those that think they are prepared by having a bunch of food stored up, but then the food is used up? Those people become desperate. The only safety will be in numbers, with walled off or disguised locations.

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Seeing as how they'd all have to run through thw White Mountain National Forest and having no populated areas to my North, East or my West I suspect the hordes would take the paths of least resistance and head South and West.

Like very many starving people are going to travel Northwards into a mountain range for food or supplies?

I think you seriously underestimate the size of America as well as misjudge the behaviors of hordes.

Originally posted by Republican08
I personally do.

But I don't know why, I'm really just tired of what the world has come to.
But also a part of me doesn't want it to be chaotic. More discussions on this around the site though.

The world has become just what those in charge want it to have become (so far). In the process they have elevated above the law.

How about then that we hope for collapse enough for people to push these pirates aside and give the world a chance to get on peacefully with no warmongering and power wars.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
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Seeing as how they'd all have to run through thw White Mountain National Forest and having no populated areas to my North, East or my West I suspect the hordes would take the paths of least resistance and head South and West.

Like very many starving people are going to travel Northwards into a mountain range for food or supplies?

I think you seriously underestimate the size of America as well as misjudge the behaviors of hordes.

You are probably right.

People would head to the nearest wilderness. If you are that far removed and living somewhat of a hermit existence without even a small town near you, then you may be left alone.

If that's the case, how do you get internet? Grow your own food? Any supplies you get outside of your own self? Bleach, gasoline, fertilizer, food, bullets, etc.

WOW! a lot of need for violence & destruction in this thread. i bet most of those who want everything to collapse are those who never did anything useful with their lives like get a degree (and still believe those movies about the stupid college graduates and the slutty college girls) who have constantly overextended their debt instead of living within their means, never saved a dollar for retirement, and went along with the stupid idea of the 401k casino or bought into the "housing bubble" and are are now seeing their house "equity" disappear...

i see this as the ultimate "covet thy neighbor's goods" thing. if others are doing well and you are not, you'd rather have total disaster for the country to "reset" the situation. is that your idea of "freedom"? will you do everything on your own once society collapses? are you sure you can get food, security, healthcare, clean water, energy and so many more things that we take for granted today?

well guess what? even if all debts would be reset, I bet that those irresponsible today will be in deep trouble shortly after the reset. i think the upcoming economic depression and its pain is a good lesson for all those that did not read contract terms when they signed and did not care to get educated either!

The USA won't collapse even though many inside and outside her borders hate her guts!

We are not talking about a day at Disneyland here. We are talking death, disease and suffering for you, your children and all those you care for. If this is what you truly want, you must be insane by definition.

Iam sorry to tell that but you are the one who is insane. We dont want the death and suffer but CHANGE. World cannot continue, there is no long term future. So better something happen now instead later and be worse like a nuclear war that will kill even more. And dont talk as if human kind was necessary, that you survive or not, wont change a thing in universe. You are an bio organism after all, and i think and know we are completely insignifiant. There wont be change without sacrifice. The fools that want everyone to survive are the real insane people. Because they wont do a thing, they are hesitant and conditionned. Death and decay have always exist, each era, each year, dont dare to say its something uncommon and horrible when your ancestors killed to survive and did things you even cannot imagine now. The dumbasses who think death is somthing horrible when its for your own survival and for a positive long term futur are a threat. The picture that you have of the world (like a lot of people) is INcompatible with the reality. Stop watching movies. We dont live a tale, never.

Peaceful change won't happen, to many people are dumbed down and simply don't care enough to want change, they will continue to elect the same faces year after year and think everything's fine, this is America it could never happen here...

For those people its going to take something big to hit them before they understand whats going on and what needs to be done to fix it...

Unfortunately peaceful change isn't possible with the current state of mind of of most people...

So violent change is the only other option and sadly when such things begin there is really no way to know rather or not the system we find ourselves living under after such a revolution will be the constitutional republic we all desire, or something much worse than we have now...

But eventually on the road we are on now revolution will begin and someone will fire the shot that gives government the excuse they need to make their move against us...


I think with most of us its not so much a matter that we want violence but rather a matter of we know whats coming and are getting anxious and just want to get it over with...

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Thanks to the wonders of taxation I have a desk job at a town nearby. That's my internet access.

Because taxation has all but forced me into the workaday life I have no time to produce for my own the way I once did and now use the dreaded supermarket.

Should the taxation stop and the markets all burn I'll be able to ramp up production for my own consumption back to higher than self-sustaining levels with preservation and storage factored in.

In such a situation I've no use for utilities, gasoline or other enslaving so-called luxuries of this neo-feudalistic life we all pretend to live.

Taxes force you to have an income and an income forces you into greater taxation. Taxes are the single greatest evil on this Earth.

It's worth noting there is a community of Shakers nearby. They do perfectly well. Lets not forget the Quakers either. My life without taxation would be very similar save all the religious mumbo-jumbo.


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I think the real question is....

People all around the world can "feel" something. Something is being planned. They know something is not right. Their gut is giving them warnings.

What is being planned?
What are the real motives of congress?
What are the real motives of Gordon Browns New World Order speech?

In saying that, I don't think its the NWO.

I personally think the march to the NWO is in absolute turmoil. I think 9-11 was to late. It should have happened in the early 90's. The internet backfired and it may be a tracking tool but they did not comprehend the connections that would be made with country loving people all around the world. Information has expanded so quickly in the 21st century they (the elite and governments) can not possible knock off everyone who is fighting this NWO. To many people are informed or getting informed these days..

Therefore the elites have gone to plan b.

But what is plan b?

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Why do people volunteer to go to war? You're looking at this issue and expecting the answer you expect. You want chaos therefore you must be insane.

You have to look at the whole picture. Not just your little surroundings.

And also with a comment like that I ponder your age...It seems you have had not much life experience.

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Where can I sign what you just said? I think you're pretty much on to it, mate.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by johnny2127

 

Thanks to the wonders of taxation I have a desk job at a town nearby. That's my internet access.

Because taxation has all but forced me into the workaday life I have no time to produce for my own the way I once did and now use the dreaded supermarket.

Should the taxation stop and the markets all burn I'll be able to ramp up production for my own consumption back to higher than self-sustaining levels with preservation and storage factored in.

In such a situation I've no use for utilities, gasoline or other enslaving so-called luxuries of this neo-feudalistic life we all pretend to live.

Taxes force you to have an income and an income forces you into greater taxation. Taxes are the single greatest evil on this Earth.

It's worth noting there is a community of Shakers nearby. They do perfectly well. Lets not forget the Quakers either. My life without taxation would be very similar save all the religious mumbo-jumbo.


[edit on 10-3-2009 by thisguyrighthere]

Very true. The system of taxation, consumerism, and then the credit system has enslaved people without them realizing it.

People are herded into nice tight channels and lives. There really isn't much free will any longer. Well of course there is just as much as before. Its just harder to find...... like a needle in a haystack. But ultimately we are all responsible for our choices.