Obama preserves rendition two days after taking office

Obama preserves rendition two days after taking office

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espite frequent condemnation of the practice around the world, rendition -- the secret capture, transportation and detention of suspected terrorists to foreign prisons in countries that cooperate with the U.S. --remains in the CIA's playbook, thanks to a recent executive order issued by President Obama.

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So Obama closes CIA secret prisons and GITMO...good. Then Obama outlaws torture making the Army Field Manual the law of the land...that's Great.

Then Obama issues an executive order which allow detainees to be sent to countries which allow all these practices and more. I guess he thinks we're stupid. That would mean that if you are a suspect you can be shipped off to Saudi Arabia, Egypt etc etc and be tortured and held without due process. Barack, Barack did you think we wouldn't notice.

This is a huge disappointment and needs to be publicized. Perhaps some of the few reporters with guts will point out in a National Forum the hypocrisy of this policy and expose that Pres Obama is breaking his promise!

We must pressure our politicians by any means necessary to conform to the will of the people and point out the stinking lies!

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[edit on 1-2-2009 by Leo Strauss]

Change we can believe in?


Where's all of these Obama voters? Too embarrassed to show their faces?

I mean, I find it quite pathetic that all of those people voting for Obama can't man up and explain this.....liberals are just confused and usually women.



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I don't think that is a bad policy although I am open to think otherwise.. but the secrecy and way this gets slipped past people is disgusting

On the face of it, it certainly doesn't look good. The article says that rendition is still an option "in certain circumstances;" I'd like to know more about what those circumstances might be. Obama has given the order to close Gitmo and end torture, so he's clearly on the right track as far as I'm concerned. I can't imagine he would preserve an inhumane practice unless there is a compelling national security reason for it. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit.

If it is what it seems to be, then there should be a loud outcry from the American people.

Same crap different color. Hopefully this kind of thing will make people realize that the republicRATS are just two sides of the same globalist-socialist coin. Every single one of them is owned lock stock and barrel by the big money banksters. And every one of them is working toward global tyranny.

Originally posted by ConservativeJack Where's all of these Obama voters? Too embarrassed to show their faces?
I mean, I find it quite pathetic that all of those people voting for Obama can't man up and explain this.....liberals are just confused and usually women.

Nice to see you, too, are outraged. Now, is this outrage over the continuation of the practice of farming-out torture? Or is it outrage that Obama supporters haven't expressed their own rage to the President?

Or is torture ok, and hypocracy bad?

This stuff about Liberals, and confused women? Sorry, Bud...yer on yer own there...

But please...elucidate...

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I'd also like to know what these certain circumstances are.

If it means that the CIA can do whatever they want then that's bad...

But, the CIA has been doing torture for years.

Do you believe the President has the power to tell them what to do?

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I'd also like to know what these certain circumstances are.

If it means that the CIA can do whatever they want then that's bad...

But, the CIA has been doing torture for years.

Do you believe the President has the power to tell them what to do?

Yeah, they do whatever they want, and yeah it's bad. The pres is just a figurehead, and there's a reason they call the CIA 'the company'. The big money elite created the intelligence agencies, and they serve their creator.

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I just found this article.

It is confirmed that one of the loopholes in the president's anti-torture orders allows the continuance of rendition by the CIA, which consists of secretly snatching suspects off the street without any due process and "rendering" them to jails in other countries. Rendition is at the heart of the state secrecy apparatus, and should be of concern to any civil liberties, human rights, or democracy advocates.

But Human Rights Watch and, apparently, other human rights groups signed off on renditions in talks with the Obama administration, saying publicly that there is "a legitimate place" for the practice.

That's not a position that represents most human rights advocates, and deserves to be reconsidered in the months of drafting the new administration's rules. Human Rights Watch could have celebrated Obama's presidential order while vowing to close the rendition loophole. Instead, according to the LA Times, the proposal "did not draw major protests" among human rights groups because of "a sense that nations need certain tools to combat terrorism." [see LA Times, Feb. 1, 2009]

www.huffingtonpost.com...

I am really scared about this. I don't believe that Obama is the type of person who would allow to let people be picked up from the street and be sent to rendition camps on no grounds.

But, all I'm worried about is that since Obama has so much popularity right now, I just worry, that he could easily abuse this power.

I mean I suppose since rendition has always been around it's not that bad but if they abuse this power then it's just going to be more of the same.

I can't say that I'm surprised by this at all. Yeah, in front of the cameras and to get the "Bushness" out of foreign policy, I think that he had to publicy close the bases.

But he knows better behind closed doors. I think that Generals have sat him down and said..Listen up.

No one on the website knows what it really takes to protect a country. Can you just imagine the raw intel that we, a normal people do not have access to??

I'll bet most of us wouldn't sleep at night if we really knew how dangerous the world has become and what it really takes to combat those dangers.

I have no problem with any President having a strong CIA and a strong foreign policy.

I think Obama just didn't have any other choice. The president hardly has
complete power over all american government agencies. He can go as far
as he has support, when the support stops at a certain line, then he can't
go past that line either.

I would wait and see, before condemning Obama's personality and goals.
America has been a barbaric and cruel country ever since it was founded,
completely devoid of moral awareness, compassion or sense of justice, you
can't expect a single man to suddenly change that in a few weeks.

I have nothing wrong really per say with the CIA conducting rendition. It's a practice they've always been doing. I only would have a problem with it if they made the mistake of torturing many innocent people like the Military did in the Iraq war and the like. I hope that this is going to be used only by the CIA-- but-- I hope that this isn't something for just the military to use because the Guantanamo bay is going to be shut down.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

The source provided is very biased. Read the above link for a second opinion. I guess it's what is to be expected from a conspiracy site...

This is just another thing Obama has done to improve governmental accountability. Did you honestly think prisoners were to be released without a destination? Would the CIA send them to U.S. prisons? Would you not be angry that you were being taxed for their storage? Rendition is by far the best option.

Sec. 5. Special Interagency Task Force on Interrogation and Transfer Policies.

(a) Establishment of Special Interagency Task Force. There shall be established a Special Task Force on Interrogation and Transfer Policies (Special Task Force) to review interrogation and transfer policies...
...(ii) to study and evaluate the practices of transferring individuals to other nations in order to ensure that such practices comply with the domestic laws, international obligations, and policies of the United States and do not result in the transfer of individuals to other nations to face torture or otherwise for the purpose, or with the effect, of undermining or circumventing the commitments or obligations of the United States to ensure the humane treatment of individuals in its custody or control.

The idea of a special task force specifically concerned with the proper transfer of detainees is just the sort of thing Obama has continually promised. It's clearly indictive of his character and the sense of responsibility he truly feels the American public finally deserves from their President.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

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I found this don't really know what to make of it. Message from the Director: New Interrogation Policy

President Obama issued an Executive Order today setting out new instructions for the detention, rendition and interrogation of captured terrorists. The legal and policy landscape under which the Agency has conducted itself in the global war on terror has changed in the past and we have consistently and scrupulously adjusted our efforts to reflect these changes. This Executive Order is no different. We will review the order carefully and issue appropriate guidance to ensure that we continue to act in consonance with the law and with policy direction. When our government changes its law or policy, we will follow that direction without exception, carve-out, or loophole.

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I'm not going to jump on Obama just yet. I'll wait to see whether all his talk about reviewing the terror policy is just lies... I will wait to see what he actually does with the terror policy.

Originally posted by ConservativeJack




Change we can believe in?


Where's all of these Obama voters? Too embarrassed to show their faces?

I mean, I find it quite pathetic that all of those people voting for Obama can't man up and explain this.....liberals are just confused and usually women.



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[edit on 1-2-2009 by 12m8keall2c]

Conservatives are usually chicken !@#!# punks who don't think for themselves.
Take it the shed and pretend the shed is evil.

Let the butt smooching begin..

"I can't believe Obama would let this happen..."

"The Generals must have gotten a hold of him..."

PATHETIC>>>

The savior saw what W was doing was right after all of you...people...bought into his liberal rhetoric.

He is a Marxixt but at least he can see some reality.

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Okay... I'll play the devil's advocate here.

What made you think he was going to change that policy of rendition?

It's been used by the CIA by the beginning of time.

Even I never believed he would change that. The CIA would turn their backs on Obama if he did that.

Oh, wow, this isn't the same as Guantanamo Bay, this is actually worse.

This is very bad, very bad.

Evil evil evil