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Originally posted by BringerOfLight1
The Bible is an overly fictional document. It overly false and should never even be thought about seriously.
Originally posted by John Matrix
Are we in a fallen state as the Bible says? If not, then why do we seek a higher state of consciousness, awakening, enlightenment, oneness with God, etc.?
The animals do what they have always done and nothing more.
Mankind is different, always striving to attain some higher state than His present one.
Has mankind been duped into believing He can attain a higher state of being without Christ as His redeemer?
Why? Why? Why?
Originally posted by John Matrix
Wouldn't the better test of character be how we treat people that we don't know? Insiders often treat all in their little circles that way, while outsiders are treated poorly.
I don't think there is a remedy for the fallen man's will to self exaltation, envy, jealousy, covetousness, wrath, etc. without something that is beyond all that, and contrary to it. Sure, the fallen man can and does put on displays of some goodness and virtue, but if it is done to for selfish gain, then it cannot be born out of the Supernatural.
That of course is just my opinion.
Originally posted by racegunz
reply to post by Wertdagf
Racegunz said it best.
you do not love us, but rather despise us and our faith! At the least you are a liar, more likely a hateful bigot!
Besides if you realy love us you would leave us alone with our "delusions" because we are happy with them.
Did you not read my post, I can't say that I have ever heard the devil tempting me. That is why I say that it is a cop out to say the devil made me do it. The devil did nothing I made the choices I made.
[edit on 20-1-2009 by Ant4AU]
Originally posted by John Matrix
Are we in a fallen state as the Bible says? If not, then why do we seek a higher state of consciousness, awakening, enlightenment, oneness with God, etc.?
The animals do what they have always done and nothing more.
Mankind is different, always striving to attain some higher state than His present one.
Has mankind been duped into believing He can attain a higher state of being without Christ as His redeemer?
Why? Why? Why?
Originally posted by StonyJ
Indeed. Jesus is the answer.
Oh. Wait. Mohammed is the answer. OOPS....sorry. Vishnu is the true answer.
Zeus....Apollo.....Isis......Neptune......Yewah......The Great Wind Spirit.....Ramses.......Willy Wonka...etc...etc.....etc........
Honestly, how many "GODS" do we have to invent before we take responsibility for our own destiny and actions?????
Originally posted by Question Fate
Originally posted by John Matrix
Are we in a fallen state as the Bible says? If not, then why do we seek a higher state of consciousness, awakening, enlightenment, oneness with God, etc.?
The animals do what they have always done and nothing more.
Mankind is different, always striving to attain some higher state than His present one.
Has mankind been duped into believing He can attain a higher state of being without Christ as His redeemer?
Why? Why? Why?
If anything, I feel that more people believe in God.
Especially with the dark days we all know are ahead of us.
Originally posted by FearSoul
well humans are idoits, they are wanting to believe that some higher power is going to save us. Sometimes i wish i was a animal.
Originally posted by and14263
reply to post by John Matrix
We were once like the animals. I believe we strive to get back to that natural unconditioned mind set.
Originally posted by John Matrix
Yes, if the sun went out and we all faced certain death in a matter of hours, I'm sure there would be several billion believers very quickly.