U.S. military report warns sudden collapse of Mexico is possible

Originally posted by Erasurehead
If the Mexican government collapsed the wave of Mexicans trying to get into the US would increase to at least 10 times the amount we have seen in the past 2 decades. The drug cartels would fill the power void and the people would live in fear.





Again what else is new .Its just the media admitting to what everyone has known for years

[edit on 14-1-2009 by deadcatsrule]

Originally posted by deadcatsrule

Originally posted by Erasurehead
If the Mexican government collapsed the wave of Mexicans trying to get into the US would increase to at least 10 times the amount we have seen in the past 2 decades. The drug cartels would fill the power void and the people would live in fear.

Again what else is new .Its just the media admitting to what everyone has known for years

[edit on 14-1-2009 by deadcatsrule]

And since the U.S. couldn't allow a country on our border to be run by drug cartels, we would have to go in and clean them out. We did it in Panama (not even on our border) when its leader got too cozy with the drug cartels.

What is the big deal about a North American Union?

If we're so afraid about borders, Mexico's southern border would be easier to police than the one between us and mexico.

I like Canadians and Mexicans...y'all act like it would be the end of the world to join forces. It would strengthen us all to come together.

reply to post by Kat77


Do some research on what happened to Germany after they tore down the wall.

Originally posted by Kat77
What is the big deal about a North American Union?

If we're so afraid about borders, Mexico's southern border would be easier to police than the one between us and mexico.

I like Canadians and Mexicans...y'all act like it would be the end of the world to join forces. It would strengthen us all to come together.

Giving up our freedoms and sovereignty thats the "BIG DEAL"

I like them to but I dont want to give them rule over me!!!!
THATS ALL YOU MY FRIEND, ILL FIGHT IT TILL THE END

Originally posted by Kat77
What is the big deal about a North American Union?

If we're so afraid about borders, Mexico's southern border would be easier to police than the one between us and mexico.

I like Canadians and Mexicans...y'all act like it would be the end of the world to join forces. It would strengthen us all to come together.

What is the big deal about the NAU? Do you really not know the answer to that? The founding fathers are spinning in their graves right now.

reply to post by Kat77


I'm Canadian and America is our neighbor and friend and Mexico is cool too but there's no way in hell I would ever want our countries to merge. If that ever happens I'll be fighting it tooth and nail and so will many others!

(edit for spelling)



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The only benefit to a merging of the 3 countries would be

cheaper beer. The spendy imports would drop to avg. mkt. price.

Originally posted by FightLies

Originally posted by TheWayISeeIt

What if REX84 is actually used for the purposes the gov. said? All those civillian detention centers would be used for containing a massive immgration from Mexico, not for rounding up US dissidents of NWO...

the government never dose what it says its going to.

watch the news and you'll understand (the bailout is a joke)

Thats why people call them empty promises!!

I understand that, but if the Mexican gov. does collapse there will be a mass migration across our borders, which is what they said those detention centers (REX84) were for when they started building them under Reagan. I also think I read thread around here a while back that Haliburton was given lots of dough to refurbuish them and build some more under Bush jr.

My point is that I think it is ironic that they may actually be put to the use they were purported to be for. What else are they going to do with hundreds of thousands of immigrants when they start streaming en mass over the border?

Originally posted by ZombieSlayer
reply to post by Kat77

 

I'm Canadian and America is our neighbor and friend and Mexico is cool too but there's no way in hell I would ever want our countries to merge. If that ever happens I'll be fighting it tooth and nail and so will many others!

Agreed. I have nothing against Canada or Mexico. I just don't want them to have any say in what happens in my country. The three countries with their own customs and traditions should remain seperate. I will fight to the end to make sure they remain so.

If Mexico collapses we will deploy into or invade Mexico, establish security and a new interim government. We will build bases and occupy Mexico till we decide we should leave. We will probably not do it unilaterally but have help from the Commonwealth (Canada, UK, Australia) and other allies like Colombia.

Yes, if the NAU were merely an economic and military agreement, it would be a good thing for all three countries and would create a super-superpower of sorts. The amount of resources of the combined countries, defended by the U.S.'s military technology and backed by Mexico's widely available labor pool would be unstoppable on the world stage.

The problem is, we know that the NAU isn't simply a trade and defense treaty. It's the concerted effort to merge three countries under the control of a single governing body. It's similar to what they're doing in Europe. The E.U. was originally advocated as an economic partnership only... well look at them now, fighting tooth and nail to find a way to establish an E.U. Constitution without being hindered by those pesky civilians.

This thread has me pondering something. Maybe the REX84 camps really were for Mexican illegals all along? The collapse of Mexico could be part of the plan for the creation of the NAU. The people behind the NAU would know that crashing Mexico would create an influx of illegal immigrants, and that without a pre-existing plan it would be impossible to maintain control over such a large number of people living "outside the system."

The solution? Years and years of preparation, planning, and training... And massive prison camps in place to keep those people "inside the system."

Meanwhile, the collapse of Mexico "threatens" the "security" of the "homeland" (and whatever other buzzwords the government can throw at us.) The only solution is to send U.S. troops into Mexico to reestablish control.

Thanks to years of practicing urban warfare and "nation building" in the Middle East, and the wave of popular opinion that would be behind an effort to stop a situation on our own borders, the full force of the U.S. military could be brought down in Mexico. Control would certainly be established in time.

Fortunately for TPTB, it would probably cost every last penny the government had to get it done. The recession, the cost of fighting two wars overseas, and the apparent intentional destruction of the homeland economy would force us to seek to merge with Canada (I worry about whatever they might have planned to get the Canadians on board with that...)

Mexico would be under a puppet government by this point, and would be lucky not to simply be annexed as the 51st state. There would be little resistance there.

Of course, this is all speculation. It just looks to me like things might be headed in that direction...

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What many people don't realize is that any North American Union would be controlled and dominated by the US and Washington, just as Russia and Moscow dominated the Soviet Union.

Saying NAU is nothing more than a politically correct newspeak for the United States of (North) America.

With Mexico and Canada firmly under Washington's control, the US would be energy independent. Right now most of the US' oil imports come from Canada and Mexico.

With the move to Oil Shale and Oil Sands for energy, North America stands to become by far the most important and powerful force on the face of the earth in the 21st century.

Canada alone has more Oil Sand reserves than the Entire remaining global oil reserves, over 1.7 trillion barrels of oil. In the US, oil shale reserves equal over 2 trillion barrels of oil.

When the rest of the planet is fighting over the last conventional reserves, North America will be the new OPEC to the world. The world will come to depend on America for its energy needs.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by mattifikation

 

What many people don't realize is that any North American Union would be controlled and dominated by the US and Washington, just as Russia and Moscow dominated the Soviet Union.

Saying NAU is nothing more than a politically correct newspeak for the United States of (North) America.

With Mexico and Canada firmly under Washington's control, the US would be energy independent. Right now most of the US' oil imports come from Canada and Mexico.

With the move to Oil Shale and Oil Sands for energy, North America stands to become by far the most important and powerful force on the face of the earth in the 21st century.

Canada alone has more Oil Sand reserves than the Entire remaining global oil reserves, over 1.7 trillion barrels of oil. In the US, oil shale reserves equal over 2 trillion barrels of oil.

When the rest of the planet is fighting over the last conventional reserves, North America will be the new OPEC to the world. The world will come to depend on America for its energy needs.

Good post. When I read this an interesting conversation I had with an oil executive that I met a couple of years ago came back to me. I was speaking to him about the need to the US to end its dependency on foreign oil. He kind of laughed and told me there was a reason that the US has left its oil resouces for the most part untouched. He said that there is a limited supply of oil in the world and once it runs out only then will the US start to tap into the oil resouces on the North American continent. The US and Canada will control the majority of the oil remaining once the existing OPEC countries are sucked dry.

Originally posted by Kat77
What is the big deal about a North American Union?

If we're so afraid about borders, Mexico's southern border would be easier to police than the one between us and mexico.

I like Canadians and Mexicans...y'all act like it would be the end of the world to join forces. It would strengthen us all to come together.

No, it would dilute our way of life to join with Mexico and Canada. We would be less than we are now, not more - especially when you figure in that almost the entire population of Mexico would be considered below the current "poverty line" here in the U.S. Add in that Canadians would demand far more socialism than we already have.

LO and Behold, you people that said that we will invade Mexico are so right is not funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why? because Mexico is our second largest seller of oil yes people we can not allow our oil flow from our second largest seller to have some internal problems that will stop the supply, I can not believe that I forgot about that.

reply to post by TheWayISeeIt
In a way I think you may be right..However ever thought about putting "US" in the Rex- 84 camps and using Mexican labor.

I hope I am totally wrong, but from what I have seen in the past 4 years in my area, a lot of workers have been replaced by cheap mexican labor.

The Contractors and Corporations here will hire Mexican labor before hiring locals..

We are Definitely going to be an NAU of some sort...

Hopefully it happens as quietly as possible

Of all the silly things going on in the world, this is one I like.

Absolutely do I want to see an NAU and if it takes a collapse of Mexico to happen so be it, I like Mexicans for the most part, very nice people, language barrier is small, we share a border, basically same religion more Catholic than christian or Jewish... but for all intents and purposes it's a culture we can merge with just fine.

Hardly anyone else likes us but Mexicans, some people say "downgrade" but I don't think so, it will be a big cultural impact but there are 100 million Mexicans and Maybe 40 million Canadians and 300 + Million Americans

There are some Huge points in regards to this being a good thing...

Energy Dominance

Water Dominance

Farming Dominance

Military strategy, more people, larger unified armed forces most of all, no land border anywhere aside from a small strip at the bottom of Mexico which we'd probably build a new canal on anyway

Economics, yeah we slide a bit by absorbing Mexico but resources matter more and it's a big labor pool and a labor pool that can help us compete against Asia

Being able to own properly without worries Mexican land and a clean up inevitably of the drug cartels would make Mexico rich with tourism...

Heck with Mexican Beachfront prices and NAU stability we could even see another influx of Europeans as a result

NAU is good Policy, good for all of us and USA direction where it needs to be... HERE in North America...

There are differences...

But we are dealing with The Mid East? and those problems when... we have a real capacity to build something incredible right here

Canada and American issues are almost non existent aside from nonsense and some things we are doing to appease like become more socialist...

lol we attempt in theory peace in the mideast but haven't worked out all our issues with the Canadians yet?

and Mexico... as i said... most of them like us, want to be Americans... we should REJECT them and piss off our neighbors lol? Come one come all it's going to look great on the map as I see it...


US Canada and Mexico together would be really good, more liberal, it would be a Mellower Nation, strong, wealthy, powerful, no borders...

No bad would come of this, a United North America

Because it could be worse than now? Drug cartels running the society, thousands of dead by shootings, political assassinations, poverty, no democracy.... army in the streets.

Yeah, Mexico should be moved to Africa, because it's basically the same thing.

Well, if Canada and Mexico want to accept our Constitution, as the NAU Constitution, and accept our laws as theirs, then so be it.

However, I doubt the people of those countries want to do that. I for one, am not okay with the idea of forcing them to become "part of us." That's imperialism, and I'm against it.

Since I'm also not okay with submitting to be "part of them," then there's just no way I can get on board with the merger of the three nations into one.