Iran leader orders Muslims to defend Palestinians

reply to post by Harlequin


Just out of curiosity why would Israel nuke Germany? That doesn't make any sense to me.

reply to post by LwSiX


Maybe you should ask them about it since the prime minister said in 2006 ` we do not forgive or forget`

also ynet ran a wonderful article this september:

We must not forgive Iran’s president.

We must not forgive the despicable Jews who met with him and kissed him.

despicable jews - thats israel`s own jews description of the persian jews.

and people wonder why the zionists aren`t well liked by many of the True to Torah jews.

Originally posted by LwSiX
reply to post by Harlequin

 

Just out of curiosity why would Israel nuke Germany? That doesn't make any sense to me.

The zionist mentality designed the ultimate response to punish those who fatally attack Israel those that stood by and allowed it to happen. This falls in line with the zionist motto 'never again'.

For a zionist when the life of a Jew is threatened, all Goyim are guilty just like the world's guilt for the occurrence of the Holocaust.

Finally, the Samson Option was the destruction of the temple and all in it in the story of Samson and Delilah. The death of Samson entailed the death of everyone. For a zionist the temple is a symbol of the temporal world while the spiritual is found in the genes of a Jew.

This metaphysical gymnastics allows for a Jew to be an atheist and derive piety from existing or being present. A dead Jew at the hand of a Goy is always crime against God while the reverse is not always true in zionist theory and Tamudist teachings.

In conclusion, if Arabs destroy Israel, Germans and other by standers are just as guilty hence the Israeli weapons aimed at Europe.

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reply to post by masonwatcher


"n conclusion, if Arabs destroy Israel, Germans and other by standers are just as guilty hence the Israeli weapons aimed at Europe. "

I ask you to please provide proof of this statement.

If it is merely your opinion (which I suspect) you are more than welcome to it.

That said, please inform the board when you state unproven opinions and when you post verifiable facts.

If you have proof, please post it so I and everyone else may be better educated.

Thank you for your kind help in trying to understand your post(s).

USA is the tool of Israel. The Mossad has invaded us for over 50 years now
That is why we are infront of Iran now with the navy. So now Israel can
unrestrained raise holy hell all around & take over land via genocide. well
aware that Iran is held under control. It is all planned out by Israel to be-
come more world dominant. It is in their genes. They have the absolute
worst DNA of all humans. They were kicked out everywhere for centuries
from most countries. They are completely convinced, that they are better
than anyone else, total brainwashed. The only way they will ever wake up
from their fantasies is when the rest of the billions of people show them,
who they are, a tiny weeny bunch of misguided missiles of crap. They also
tricked us into Iraq war and... they were involved in 9/11, according to my
research. I wished this financial chaos was for real, and USA is truly broke
to instigate another war & carry it out, under blackmail of another country
(namely Israel) It's all about NWO agenda, when will the rich ever get
enough?

Originally posted by Harlequin
reply to post by John Matrix

 

you seem to forget the biblical land of judea is just that biblical and not exactly releated to the land today - also many peoples lay claim to Jeruslem , you know a few wars have been fought over that `chunk of real estate`

You still whining about the bible? In the end Israel stands whether you like it of not. So it is written, so shall it be done. You can side with the whiners or side with the winners.

Originally posted by ringels
They have the absoluteworst DNA of all humans. They were kicked out everywhere for centuriesfrom most countries. They are completely convinced, that they are betterthan anyone else, total brainwashed. The only way they will ever wake up from their fantasies is when the rest of the billions of people show them, who they are, a tiny weeny bunch of misguided missiles of crap.

Your comments (above) are mean spirited and racist.

Look, everyone here sympathizes for those innocent that have been killed. You must understand that these two countries are at war. If you harbor an enemy of someone, you will become entangled by the war. It has been done countless of times before. Not many said a damn thing in Afghanistan and not enough spoke out against the war in Iraq. More innocent casualties have been killed in Iraq alone then in Gaza.

Give up the enemy and you will be spared. That is how it should be. If Israel stops then Hamas will bounce back and this time backed by more Muslim nations. Since Israel started they will not stop until all their intended targets are flat.

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[edit on 29-12-2008 by princeofpeace]

Originally posted by pepsi78

Hamas has won an election,

Hmmm, are you sure?

I thought Abbas was the President of Palestine!

President of the Palestinian National Authority

List of Presidents of the Palestinian National Authority (1994-Present)

* Yasser Arafat (5 July 1994 - 11 November 2004)
* Rauhi Fattouh (11 November 2004 - 15 January 2005) (acting)
* Mahmoud Abbas (15 January 2005 - Present)

Palestinian Election Dilemma

Hamas movement considers January 9 to be the last date of 'Abbas' presidential term,

But, Hamas wants to decide themselves who the next president of Palestine should be! If elections can't be held do to Hamas and the conflict they have caused with Israel now, ...

Hamas movement considers January 9 to be the last date of 'Abbas' presidential term, and are threatening to declare him illegitimate after that date, and possibly declaring the speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, 'Aziz A-Dweik, as the legitimate chairman.

And their Palestinian opposition say,...

On the other hand, Fatah and other PLO factions insist that January 9 will be just another normal day and that 'Abbas is the legitimate chairman before, during and after that date until elections are held.

In the absence of a constitutional court, there is no Palestinian body that can solve this dispute between the two big factions.

Oh! Almost forgot!

Exactly HOW did Hamas gain control of Gaza?

They only got control of Gaza through violence!

Hamas

In June, renewed fighting broke out between Hamas and Fatah. During a brief civil war Hamas seized control of Gaza and the Palestinian Authority was effectively split in two with Hamas controlling Gaza and Fatah controlling the West Bank. President Mahmoud Abbas dismissed the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority government.

Hamas Gains Control in Bloody Gaza Violence

The escalating Palestinian conflict took a step closer to civil war today as Hamas forces seized control of key strategic positions including the main north-south road in Gaza.

The Islamist group's armed wing issued an ultimatum for Fatah fighters in Gaza to surrender their weapons by Friday, as they closed in on control of Gaza City.

Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian President and leader of the secular Fatah, called for an end to the “madness” and accused Hamas of launching a coup attempt.

All Hamas wants is power and violence, and they don't care what it takes to reach their objective of conroling the Palestinian government and the destruction of Israel !

reply to post by Keyhole


BINGO, you win the prize.

Hamas ran Fatah out of Gaza and desire no peace. There will be no peace till Hamas is gone.

Originally posted by bismarcksea
Yeah....Cry me a river for the Palestinians. They have had chance after chance for peace and to establish their own nation.

Did you even look at the rules set forth by Israel for these "chances for peace"?

Even if Palestinians get their own state, Israel demands that they (Israel) still retain control over the Palestinian water supply, electricity, roads, airport (what was left of it before Israel bombed it), farms, fishing areas, the wall separating their lands, and police force.

What kind of freedom is this when another country controls your way of life?

[edit on 29-12-2008 by DJMessiah]

And EXACTLY WHY is the Gaza border blockaded by Israel AND Egypt!

Cairo Protests Anti-Egypt Demos in Syria Over Gaza

Israel and Egypt imposed a blockade on Gaza after the Islamic militant group Hamas seized power last year, ousting the forces of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

Egypt doesn't trust Hamas due to the fact that it is an offshoot the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt.

Egypt's Quandary Over the Gaza Border

While Egypt has at times sought to facilitate negotiations between Hamas and Fatah, it has undeniably seen the Hamas takeover of Gaza last June as a potential threat. Hamas, after all, evolved directly out of the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza, itself was originally founded under the tutelage of the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt. The Egyptian government sees the Brotherhood as its most potent domestic threat.

AND, Egypt has stated that Hamas is not the legimate authority in Gaza!

When Hamas took over last year in Gaza, Egypt closed the border (Israel also closed its border crossing points to Egypt) and has characterized the Hamas takeover as an illegitimate coup.

[edit on 12/29/2008 by Keyhole]

reply to post by Keyhole


You don't seem to understand, the President does not make the rules, it's not an obligation,It may be in United States that the president is the decider but usualy in other parts of the world the goverment makes the rules.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Hamas sweeps to election victory


Scenes in Ramallah
Islamic militant group Hamas has won a surprise victory in Wednesday's Palestinian parliamentary elections.

Preliminary results give Hamas 76 of the 132 seats in the chamber, with the ruling Fatah party trailing on 43.

The win poses problems for efforts to restart peace talks with Israel, say analysts. Israel insists it will not deal with an authority including Hamas.

Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, head of the Fatah party, says he remains committed to a peaceful settlement.

www.npr.org...

Perhaps what is most striking about this debate is that there was virtually no disagreement on the facts. Three panelists argued that Hamas is a terrorist organization. Three others responded that Hamas now leads a legitimate, democratically elected government and is not a terrorist group

Get your facts and stop spreading disinfo.It's control of Gaza is due to people voting for them.It's another thing fighting with it's rival part Fatah in Gaza and another getting voted by Palestinians.




[edit on 29-12-2008 by pepsi78]

Originally posted by masonwatcher




Err! Most of us are not of your brand of 'Christianity?' or even Christians so why do you feel the need to spout your personal mythology at us? You don't see anyone else but murderous zionists doing the same. Do wish to be associated with them?

Does it say anywhere on ATS that Christians should reframe from speaking about what they believe?

But it's ok for you to spout those beliefs in which you put your faith in.

Are you a Muslim?

reply to post by pepsi78


Are all these articles "disinformation" also?

Hamas takes security site, Abbas fears coup
Abbas accuses Hamas of staging a 'bloody coup'
Hamas's Coup in Gaza Casts a Pall over Bush-Olmert Meeting
Gaza Moves Close To Civil War
Government on brink of collapse as Gaza moves closer to civil war
Palestinian Battles Raise Fears of Coup And Civil War
Palestinians in Gaza nearing civil war
Infighting resembles civil war in Gaza
Gaza sliding into civil war
Gaza on brink of civil war as cleric is killed

Even Egypt calls the Hamas takeover of Gaza illegitimate!

Egypt's Quandary Over the Gaza Border

When Hamas took over last year in Gaza, Egypt closed the border (Israel also closed its border crossing points to Egypt) and has characterized the Hamas takeover as an illegitimate coup.

Just because Hamas won 76 seats in the government doesn't mean that they can just run around and govern Gaza, (after dispelling the rest of the government), any way they like! There are STILL other elected officials that are suppose to also help govern the country!

Isn't it called a "coup" when part of a government takes over land from the highest government official (and the rest of the elected government officials) to govern it by themselves?

COUP

coup

noun
1. a sudden and decisive change of government illegally or by force

Isn't that what you would call it now that Abbas and the rest of the elected government has no power or jurisdiction of powers in the Gaza now that Hamas has taken it over?

Hamas broke off of the intended plan of the way the Palestinian government was SUPPOSE to be run and is now running the government in Gaza themselves!

Seems like it was a coup to me!

[edit on 12/29/2008 by Keyhole]

reply to post by John Matrix

But it's ok for you to spout those beliefs in which you put your faith in.

Are you a Muslim?

A statement followed by a contrary question. Interesting that you accused me of spouting a belief yet you turn around and ask a question to confirm the basis of your original statement.

Is this the thinking process that led you to your religiosity?

For the record, my opinions are strictly based on the historical narrative of the Palestinian experience and the process and justifications used to artificially create the state of Israel. I have opinions based on no factually unjustifiable facts. Of course you are welcome to draw your own conclusions from the same information or any other checkable references, but kindly keep your personal religious beliefs to yourself.

My religion is immaterial to this discourse.

Originally posted by masonwatcher
For the record, my opinions are strictly based on the historical narrative of the Palestinian experience and the process and justifications used to artificially create the state of Israel. I have opinions based on no factually unjustifiable facts. Of course you are welcome to draw your own conclusions from the same information or any other checkable references, but kindly keep your personal religious beliefs to yourself.

My religion is immaterial to this discourse.

Well Sir, you just told us what you put your faith, trust, and hope in. It's what you believe to be true, and that makes it as much a religious belief as any.

As for your last request, it is respectfully denied.


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Even Egypt calls the Hamas takeover of Gaza illegitimate!

What take over? Hamas was elected as the new goverment in 2007.

Just because Hamas won 76 seats in the government doesn't mean that they can just run around and govern Gaza, (after dispelling the rest of the government), any way they like! There are STILL other elected officials that are suppose to also help govern the country!

Read my above post please where I post something like Three others responded that Hamas now leads a legitimate, democratically elected government and is not a terrorist group? As in a goverment elected.

Isn't it called a "coup" when part of a government takes over land from the highest government official (and the rest of the elected government officials) to govern it by themselves?

There is no higher goverment, elections were held in 2006 and Hamas won, then a fight broke out, fatah manage to hold control of the West Bank, Hamas took over in Gaza, this are not results of the elections, acording to electorial rules, they should control also West Bank.

Let me make it clear to you.
www.vanityfair.com...

After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs.

People voted for them.Terrorists or no Terrorists one thing is for sure, they won the pot.


[edit on 29-12-2008 by pepsi78]

reply to post by Solomons


It was and is Jewish Land. The muslims invaded with their so called religion of peace and conquered Israel. The UN created and sanctioned the state of Israel so their are legitimated. Get your facts straight buddy.