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Originally posted by Rintendo
As someone who has worked in health communications, particularly HIV/AIDS, I can tell you that PP does nowhere near enough to advocate condom usage or responsible sex.
I hate to say this, but any health advocacy group that does not scare the crap out of sexually active teenagers and put the fear of death into them is just not doing their job.
Yes, people are allowed to make irresponsible choices, but they need to be told: that is completely irresponsible lest they do it again.
HOWEVER, they do not lecture the individual on safe sex or make them sign a non-legally binding promise that they will use a condom in the future.
Originally posted by americandingbat
reply to post by Rintendo
I wonder if the extent that Planned Parenthood doctors emphasize safe sex and the dangers of STDs might vary depending on what part of the country they're in.
As a woman who has had a lot of my routine gyn checkups at Planned Parenthood clinics in Connecticut, Oregon, and New York, the doctors at the clinics have always asked me about what precautions I take, and emphasized the need for condom use even if I'm in a monogamous relationship and using another form of birth control.
And I'm talking about probably a dozen visits over the course of almost 20 years.
Granted I don't know if they do the same for women who are there for abortion, but I'm sure that they do at the post-surgical checkups (assuming the woman goes, which is not really something they control).
Originally posted by Rintendo
Hi. All GYN exams involve a discussion of methods of birth control. That is not in dispute, and I hope I did not state that they do not discuss the various types of birth control.
What I said was that they fall short in health advocacy.
*snip*
They asked about birth control and suggested condom use in a rather perfunctory manner. As someone who teaches part-time Latin at the high school I can vouch for the listening skills of teens. Suggesting delicately that you use a condom is going to do absolutely nothing to make them use one.
Explaining about the rising rates of HIV/AIDS and other STDs with actual numbers, relating it to Russian Roulette, etc. You know, being a smarty pants and lecturing them makes a greater impact than just saying: we recommend it.
If you are trying to save someone's life, really trying, you need to pull out all the stops.
That is my point. They will spend gazillions of dollars to support Roe v Wade, a case already decided and upheld several times, not to mention turn out en masse for marches that imply that the goal is to save women's lives, but minimal funds to support programs that target teens at risk for sexually transmitted diseases that could take their life quite easily.
Originally posted by Rintendo
Honestly, I am not trying to talk smack about them, or diminish what good they have obviously done for you.
Originally posted by Rintendo
reply to post by americandingbat
I hear you and I am glad that they provided you with all the appropriate information that you deserved from someone in the healthcare profession. I have observed differently, thus my concern.
I don't believe in judging someone in the sense of "good" or "bad", but I do believe in saying that someone is an idiot if they don't use a condom. If that makes me a "bad" person...so be it
Anyway, please go back to fighting over abortion. Sorry to interrupt with my soapbox and steal the thread with talk of HIV. It was OT and not well done of me.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by Rintendo
Honestly, I am not trying to talk smack about them, or diminish what good they have obviously done for you.
Other than a pregnancy test about 35 years ago, I've never stepped inside one. I just think they are a good organization for providing non-judgmental options and information to women.
I know it's important to educate people about HIV/AIDs. But I honestly think that if kids were going in there to get condoms and they had to get a lecture first, they wouldn't do it.
The nation's leading provider of abortions has caused a stir by offering holiday gift certificates that cover the basic health-care services offered at Indiana's 35 clinics, as well as "the recipient's choice of birth-control method."
Not to go on and on, but could you also explain to me how you derived from this quote from the article that Planned Parenthood is promoting Christmas abortions [or even abortions, period]?
Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) is the nation’s leading women’s health care provider, educator, and advocate, serving women, men, teens, and families. For more than 90 years, we’ve done more than any other organization in the United States to improve women’s health and safety, prevent unintended pregnancies, and advance the right and ability of individuals and families to make informed and responsible choices.
Originally posted by wheresthetruth
Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) is the nation’s leading women’s health care provider, educator, and advocate, serving women, men, teens, and families. For more than 90 years, we’ve done more than any other organization in the United States to improve women’s health and safety, prevent unintended pregnancies, and advance the right and ability of individuals and families to make informed and responsible choices.
Planned Parenthood
So, right there is there "about us" statement, they are advocating abortions. Dont tell me that the actual word is not there. This goes along the lines of every other news forum that we have in the matter of reading the truth of the story within the story. "Preventing unintended pregnancy" is just a fancy spin for abortion. Its who they are, what they are about and why they exist. Everything else came later to add a rosey smell to an unwashed garbage can.
Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) is the nation’s leading women’s health care provider, educator, and advocate, serving women, men, teens, and families. For more than 90 years, we’ve done more than any other organization in the United States to improve women’s health and safety, prevent unintended pregnancies, and advance the right and ability of individuals and families to make informed and responsible choices.
Originally posted by JonInMichigan
reply to post by chickenshoes
I feel guilty that I forced a girl to have an abortion. When I saw her in a store by chance a few months ago with her daughter I felt like s#t. Her daughter was beautiful. I wonder what my daughter/son would have looked like. She even reminded me of how I forced her to have to abortion when I talked to her. Imagine that.... 22 years later she crapped on me about it.
My mom's talk with me about me being an potential abortion in conjunction with the fact that I adopted two babies (who are 10 and 11 now) who could have been abortions is also playing on my mind.
I still tell people that I think early term abortions should be legal as the "fetus" can't survive without the mother and are still parasites at that point.
This is the one area in my life I have no ethics, and have no ground to stand on. I have been listening to a lot of concervative talk show hosts, like Wilkow and Hanity who have been guilting me out. Hanity has been talking about these gift certificates for two days straight calling everyone who has abortions murderers. I guess I have gotten to the point where I feel like I'm a murderer whereas my mother and the woman who gave birth to my two children are not.
I'm guilting myself out and becoming my own enemy and trying to be other people's enemy due to my own guilt.
I'm going to stay out of these conversations in the future because I really have no idea how I feel about this topic any more. I'm confused and depressed about it for the first time in my life.
I'm sorry to crap on you.... I was lecturing myself which is wrong and I should have never posted.
Originally posted by wheresthetruth
reply to post by Frankidealist35
I just dont agree with a Christmas promotion that supports rampant abortion "just because".