Planned Parenthood offers gift vouchers

Only in America



Many generations from now, people will look back upon us in disgust, and puzzelement, over the reason for the Human Sacrifices that so many American Women go thru every year...



Why is America full of madmen and women, who are hell bent on commiting murder on the unborn innocent...



The Aztecs aare protrayed, as a vile, barbaric society, and one diffrence is that they were killing humans to apease their god...

American women are killing their children, because they want to keep their fine bodies...


All of a sudden those aztecs only look like the 2nd craziest society in American History....





What a country...

'Yay... merry chritsmas honey, i got you a gift card to go murder our son!'


Completly insane...


If there is a god out there, i expect him to shortly destroy this center of devience, and debouchery...

Women do not decide to have an abortion on a whim, or because they don't want to get fat.

I would say that if you don't believe in abortion, don't have one.

Other wise, please mind your own business. Absolutely not your decision.

And, could you please point out in the article the OP posted where is says that Planned Parenthood is hoping to snag some extra Christmas time abortions? That's just ridiculous.



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Quoting - Please review this link

[edit on 3-12-2008 by 12m8keall2c]

Planned Parenthood sues state in records dispute
The alleged neglect was failure to report to police or Child Protective Services teens under 14 having sex.www.wthr.com...

www.metacafe.com...
www.lifenews.com...


Planned Parenthood has been investigated many times for not reporting teen pregnancies under age 14.

Originally posted by drwizardphd
Where do you get off trying to force your moronic "child killer" facade on such a legitimate and beneficial practice?

People killed on 9/11 - 2,998

Total soldiers killed in combat in Iraq - 3,395

U.S. Abortions (Daily) - 3,400

Looks like business is booming with this "legitimate and beneficial practice".

I'm not sure if you're aware, but raising a child costs quite a bit of money

So, they're better off dead? What you've just described is killing for financial gain. "Honey I want that new plasma television set for Christmas, so could you be a dear and use the Planned Parenthood coupon so we can afford the payments."

If someone could make money off of killing the homeless I'm sure there would be coupons for that as well.

[edit on 3-12-2008 by dbates]

You know, Dbates, I and a couple of my friends used to go to planned parenthood for birth control and for annual exams. We never used it to have an abortion.

It saved lots of heartache for me and many others that they provided birth control and exams at less than half the price of that through a regular doctors office.

So, yes indeed, it is a very beneficial organization, especially since the county I live in has done away with it's women's clinic.

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Well, if you looked at it from a contraceptive point of view it sounds great. I was just getting the impression that someone was indicating that abortion was a necessary "service".

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Well, unfortunately, sometimes it is.

Believe me, no woman that I now know nor have ever known takes that choice lightly( like you said, using it in order to afford to buy a plasma TV).

Being faced with that decision is a very heavy responsibility, and not something I have ever seen anyone treat in a flippant manner.







[edit on 12/3/2008 by chickenshoes]

Originally posted by NGC2736
I feel it would be hypocritical of people who want a "right to life" to single out abortion as evil, and yet support war.

But we humans are a odd bunch, at the best of times.

Supporting war and abortion are two totally different things. Now if you were to say..... Supporting the Draft (Involuntary) and Abortion (Involuntary as far as the child is concerned) then yes I would see your connection. But as it stands people who go to war do so of their own free will.

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Using that same logic I can say: There are people who are for the aborting of children but who are against Murder... Is this not considered acting in an inconsistent manner?

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Not if you don't consider abortion to be the same as murder.

If I had but one wish, it's that every Liberal Pro-Abortion baby killer would have been aborted. That should be ok with them right?

If they would have been aborted then their mom's could have had an easier life. They wouldn't have needed to raise those socialist little S#ts to adulthood so they could selfishly murder their babies because they were inconvenient to have in college. I mean they have more important things to do like go to Obama rallies.

If the mother’s life is endangered then abortion should be allowed. That is the only reason.

I’m not a Christian or bible thumper and I don't support war or the death penelty, but I just don’t see why people can’t give up the babies for adoption. Is murder your only choice?

Additional thought...Christmas morning:

"Here honey... we bought you a gift certificate for one free Murder. You don't have to use it right away, but we don't want your day's of pot smoking and Obama rallies ruined by an inconvenient pregnancy."

"Thanks Mom! Wow, the gift of murder! Your the best!!!"




[edit on 3-12-2008 by JonInMichigan]

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Um, are you a woman? Have you ever had a baby? If not, you wouldn't know what it's like, now would you?

My husband and I have 2 children. We are not getting any younger, and we struggle to care for our family. We also have no health insurance.
So, if I were to get pregnant at this point, we would simply not have the resources to care for an additional child.

Abortion would have to be an option on the table for us. If I don't have any insurance, that means that even if I decided to adopt out this baby, I'd still be stuck footing the bill. Do you know how much it costs to have a baby? I bet not.

All right, I think I know what you're going to say, so go right ahead, do what you gotta do.

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Would you tell your other two children? "Gather around kids... ok... times are tough. We need to murder your unborn sibling. You guys were the lucky ones and got to live. I'm real sorry you'll never know your brother or sister who didn't have the same chance. It's a good thing we had a better income when I got preggers with you or you would have ended up in the bottom of the vacuum cleaner bag too."

I'm guessing you won't tell the other two kids. Why should they know about something so embarrassing that you had to pick and choose who lived and who died. It's ok. It's your right.

I made the selfish decision to talk my girlfriend in college into having an abortion.

I now have two adopted children. Two kids who were not aborted but given up. I see things differently now.

Also, I was born in 1968. My mom was 18 and didn’t have a cent to her name. She told me that back alley abortions were too dangerous back then or she would have had one. She had no money… nothing. She was very specific that if she could have had an abortion safely, I would have been discarded like yesterdays trash too.

But like I said, I talked my girlfriend into having an abortion. I didn’t want to have a family… I was in college worried about my own future.

So… I guess I’ll see you in hell!

Was that what you were expecting? Regret and guilt do come back to haunt you.


Edited to add:
I'm sorry to hear that you're too poor to afford condoms. The health department hands them out for free.
Babies are expensive to have. I know the people in 3rd world countries pay a TON to have kids. But but but... we need to have it in a hospital... not at home... it might die at home without all the fancy hospital equipment. It might die at home.... wait.... problem solved. You could have it for free or it might die. Doesn't sound like you'ld be any worse off than killing it up front.
But formula is expensive. That's why god gave you milk makers.
Blah blah blah Always an excuse for murder.

I'm a murderer too so don't think I'm being a hypocrite. I just feel bad about it now that I look back and realize that I was f'ed in the head when I did that.
The female friend that I got preggers, and talked into an abortion, got preggers a year later from one of my friends. He didn't pressure her to get rid of it. She didn't finish college. Her life isn't like mine. She doesn't have a six figure salary like me. But she has a beautiful 20 year old daughter. Maybe I could have made it work. Somehow. Someway. That could have been my daughter. But my child is no more and I'll never know what would have happened.

My two kids were born to poor people who couldn't keep them. They live in luxury in my house. My wife couldn't have kids of her own (even though I can father them) due to endometreosis caused by HER teenaged abortion. (Her mom made her have one at age 15)

Can you see how Karma has got us? But I am raising two beautiful children born to people who didn't kill them but were too poor to raise them so gave them up. Once again, what's wrong with adoption?

Adoptive parents usually pay the cost of having the baby. Check into it. I know first hand.

[edit on 3-12-2008 by JonInMichigan]

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As someone who has worked in health communications, particularly HIV/AIDS, I can tell you that PP does nowhere near enough to advocate condom usage or responsible sex. Their charter began long before the rise of deadly STDs, and was focused primarily on the reproductive choices of females. Today, this just does not go far enough. Not nearly far enough.

I hate to say this, but any health advocacy group that does not scare the crap out of sexually active teenagers and put the fear of death into them is just not doing their job.

I think some of these groups are too concerned with coming across as judgmental and less about saving lives. Yes, people are allowed to make irresponsible choices, but they need to be told: that is completely irresponsible lest they do it again.

When Planned Parenthood gives someone Plan B (the day after pill, not the abortion pill) they make the individual sign a form stating that they understand the risks and if it does not succeed that they will come in for an abortion. This is not legally binding, of course. They don't force abortions. They are trying to make the receiver aware of birth defects related with high dosages of estrogen to a fetus. HOWEVER, they do not lecture the individual on safe sex or make them sign a non-legally binding promise that they will use a condom in the future.

They should. Even though it is unenforceable, it would make people think. It is an opportunity to have a conversation with someone that you know is having unprotected and/or risky sex about the risk to their life. They could even tell someone who is coming in for an abortion that they should also have an HIV/AIDS test, but they don't.

I just don't understand any group that sees what they see daily that does not treat HIV/AIDS as their number one priority. Look at the rise in HIV in black and Latino women! How are they protecting womens lives if they don't make them as aware as they possibly can that each time they have unprotected sex they are playing Russian roulette with their lives???!!!

**gets down from soapbox**

I think the abortion debate is this: Pro-Life versus Pro-Choice. Both sides have a noble cause that they are fighting for, so I am not going to demonize Planned Parenthood. I just think that they have not fully stepped into the fight for women's lives if their main concern is back alley abortions and not Hep C and HIV. At this moment women have a greater risk of dying from unprotected sex than dying from an abortion.

Condoms are effective against HIV. They are effective against Hep. They are your best defense. Use them.

[edit on 3-12-2008 by Rintendo]

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As I referred to in my prior post .PP is a all the time trying to hide under age girls having sex with older men and helping to hide it

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I wonder if the extent that Planned Parenthood doctors emphasize safe sex and the dangers of STDs might vary depending on what part of the country they're in.

As a woman who has had a lot of my routine gyn checkups at Planned Parenthood clinics in Connecticut, Oregon, and New York, the doctors at the clinics have always asked me about what precautions I take, and emphasized the need for condom use even if I'm in a monogamous relationship and using another form of birth control.

And I'm talking about probably a dozen visits over the course of almost 20 years.

Granted I don't know if they do the same for women who are there for abortion, but I'm sure that they do at the post-surgical checkups (assuming the woman goes, which is not really something they control).

Originally posted by JonInMichigan

Would you tell your other two children? "Gather around kids... ok... times are tough. We need to murder your unborn sibling. You guys were the lucky ones and got to live. I'm real sorry you'll never know your brother or sister who didn't have the same chance. It's a good thing we had a better income when I got preggers with you or you would have ended up in the bottom of the vacuum cleaner bag too."[/quote]

I wouldn't tell my children because, quite frankly, it's absolutely none of their business. Period.

I'm guessing you won't tell the other two kids. Why should they know about something so embarrassing that you had to pick and choose who lived and who died. It's ok. It's your right.

I wouldn't be at all embarrassed. I take responsibility for my decisions. And yes, it is my right.

I made the selfish decision to talk my girlfriend in college into having an abortion.

I now have two adopted children. Two kids who were not aborted but given up. I see things differently now.

Good for you. You're not just a blowhard who wishes to impose his will on everyone else. I'm glad to see that you actually have put your money where your mouth is, so to speak.

Also, I was born in 1968. My mom was 18 and didn’t have a cent to her name. She told me that back alley abortions were too dangerous back then or she would have had one. She had no money… nothing. She was very specific that if she could have had an abortion safely, I would have been discarded like yesterdays trash too.

That's very sad, I'm sorry that happened to you. She should never have told you that.

But like I said, I talked my girlfriend into having an abortion. I didn’t want to have a family… I was in college worried about my own future.

So… I guess I’ll see you in hell!

Um, speak for yourself. I don't believe in hell, so I guess not.

Was that what you were expecting? Regret and guilt do come back to haunt you.

Yes, they can, but this is definitely not the case with everyone.

Edited to add:
I'm sorry to hear that you're too poor to afford condoms. The health department hands them out for free.

We're not. We use birth control religiously, but birth control has been known to fail.

Babies are expensive to have. I know the people in 3rd world countries pay a TON to have kids. But but but... we need to have it in a hospital... not at home... it might die at home without all the fancy hospital equipment. It might die at home.... wait.... problem solved. You could have it for free or it might die. Doesn't sound like you'ld be any worse off than killing it up front.
But formula is expensive. That's why god gave you milk makers.
Blah blah blah Always an excuse for murder.

Ok, now this whole paragraph just confused me. Maybe you can clarify what you were getting at?

I'm a murderer too so don't think I'm being a hypocrite.

Here again, speak for yourself. I'm not a murderer.

That could have been my daughter. But my child is no more and I'll never know what would have happened.

No, this is true, you'll never know. I'm very sorry that your so upset about something that happened so long ago, but maybe some therapy would be beneficial to you. You seem to have a lot of guilt and anger about your past.

My two kids were born to poor people who couldn't keep them. They live in luxury in my house. My wife couldn't have kids of her own (even though I can father them) due to endometreosis caused by her teenaged abortion.

I'm very sorry to hear about your wife. That is very unfortunate.

At least you are following up on your feelings that every single pregnancy must result in a baby being born, by caring for children who needed a home. Most people just blow a bunch of hot air, but don't back up their words with actions.

Can you see how Karma has got us? But I am raising two beautiful childeren born to people who didn't kill them but were too poor to raise them so gave them up.

Nope, sure don't. Don't believe in karma. But, if you ask me, it sounds like you're not doing to bad for yourself. You say you have a 6 figure income and are raising 2 beautiful children in a luxurious house. Sounds pretty great to me.

Once again, what's wrong with adoption?

Never said there was anything wrong with it. As i said before, we have no health insurance, so we'd be stuck footing the hospital bill, either way.

It's not black and white like you try to make it sound.

I'm going to make a suggestion for you. You seem to have much pent up guilt and anger regarding what happened all those years ago, so perhaps you could alleviate some of it by putting some of your large income towards building homes for unwanted children, or maybe benefiting people too poor to care for a child so that their families may stay together. Just a thought.


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Hi. I just read that you have no health insurance. If you would like to U2 me I can tell you how to join healthcare cooperatives. I work with low income women on a volunteer basis all the time. I would hate to see anyone without healthcare.

Also, there is Plan B in the less than 1% chance that your condom breaks. You can now pick it up at any CVS pharmacy and it costs $50, is a serious of two pills and is less invasive and harsh on the body than an abortion or waiting until the egg has been fertilized and implanted (the abortion pill). A lot of people think that Plan B is an abortion pill. They are wrong. Plan B can be given out by a pharmacist and costs approx $50. It is now highly effective if taken within 72 hours and is almost foolproof within 8. It is also 3 times less expensive than an abortion and doesn't require getting an appointment, an ultrasound, etc. Just a trip to CVS and $50. If you cannot scrape together $50 you can't scrape together the cost of an abortion.

Also, if people can't afford condoms then they can go to their local Department of Social Services or Health Department for free.

I still say abortions are unnecessary today with all of the choices available to women. There are condoms. Allow me to repeat this. There are condoms. There is still the sponge. There are IUDs. There is the pill. There are implants. There are shots. There is abstinence. There are condoms. Did I mention condoms?

As for condom efficacy... the myth of condoms breaking is tired. We absolutely stand by them for the prevention of HIV/AIDS. We push them to a degree because of their safety and reliability.

Every woman I know how had an abortion knew about birth control but they were swept up in the moment. We've all been there. I got swept up, but then images of lovely people dying of AIDS flashed through my mind and I said: We need to use a condom.

Advocating abortions as a matter of saving women's lives, or calling it a fight for women's lives in the day of deadly STDs like Hep or HIV/AIDS is the biggest pile of doodoo we can feed women today.

Hear me, people, women need to protect themselves. We are the largest number of new cases of HIV/AIDS. Black and Latino women are statistically more likely to get HIV than intravenous drug users. Talking about abortion as a right and a choice is irresponsible.

Unsafe sex is irresponsible. Having sex without thinking about the possible repercussions is irresponsible and I don't think we should breed or condone irresponsibility. Whether or not you feel it is murder, that it is "life", surely, you can see that in an age where one in three sexually active teens has an STD we need to be clear about what we are communicating.

Abortion is the outcome of unsafe sex. Unsafe sex needs to be talked about, and, yes, it needs to be judged as inappropriate and dangerous.

Again, U2U me and I will send you information about cheap healthcare. No one should be without it.

[edit on 3-12-2008 by Rintendo]