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OK, so UFO's are what?

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posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:19 PM
reply to post by jritzmann
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

You just had to bring up the '___' elves, didn't you.

Yes, more than one person talks about them. One guy had a few encounters with them on '___'. You can probably Google those terms and find this guy's journal.

But be aware that even this motif might be somewhat illusory and we may have a collective consciousness and once one person has such imagery it gets broadcast and then we pick up on it. (bizarre, but so are elves)

Let's say we don't have images upon which to reconstruct what 'it' is and we 'choose' elves because they are close.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:56 PM
Hi all,
Look I could say here's the real deal but that would be a fabrication based on nonsense my friends. So everything less what I actually experienced sit in the same category.

But folks, I have done some serious investigations and a whole bunch of research. I still stand alone.
But Pictures and video real pictures and video are almost tangible but then smart Investigators turn it over to such exactos as MacAbee or RitzMan. That they can support or deny the visuals.

All and all the true picture or report is the mosst important report, in my opinion...

posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 10:54 PM
reply to post by Alter-Ego

NON HUMAN BUILT CRAFT OCCUPIED BY 3 DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT SPECIES. I "LOST" 6 HOURS ABOARD ONE IN 1966. intercepted JUST OUTSIDE BANTRY ND. AS AN AIR FOIRCE NON-COM I immediatly CONTACTED minot AF BASE AND AFFIRMED no aircraft WAS ALOFT THERE & THEN BUT THEY (2 OF THEM) DID LEAVE RADAR SIGNATURES. two years later i encountered another over grand forks AFB; similar scenario. one radar hit. one other aircraft in the area - which was one we were waiting to rendezvous with. "Target" escorted us to WPAFB ohio. We were carrying 6 nuclear warheads that had been damaged by UFO activity in Montana. (look it up, UFO damaged warheads are a mater of record)
and others. I have over 100,000 air miles during that period.
REAL? you betcha they are. Interupted journeys, Betty & Barney Hill; Travisa Walton. ME, and others. however REM sleep abductions are NOT real.
Research the large number of sightings associated with montana & ND missle silos. thats in the record too.
next time I will endeavor to bring back a chunk of meat.

posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 11:29 PM
Pictures, smitures; true reports, where do you find one that fits all sizes (minds)?


1) Those who have NOT encountered/experienced aliens.

2) Those who think MAYBE they have, but doubt themselves.

3) Those who have SEEN/encountered aliens.**
(Like Ingo Swann, or myself, or...?)

**IMPORTANT NOTE: 1 & 3 are not interchangeable. 2 can go either way, mostly by change/luck or environmental influence/happenstance.

Mixing 1 & 2 together is stupid. Why? Because most encounters are from bio-etheric substance levels, which can include near-flesh states. Physical aliens are primarily from this system, or carefully protected.

I once walked into an incredibly wealthy person's house (bidding), and the first thing that hit me was, "he's an alien," which came into my mind from nowhere. Now, I don't count him as an alien, though I believe he probably was, but I have bid thousands of jobs, and never once experienced anything the like. I have worked for people worth half a billion (true). This guy might have been one of those secretly living amoungst us. See my thread, "Contactee..." (coming soon, to ATS! *CHUCKLE*").

Now what? Now, nothing. They are running the show. It takes a real low evolutional type (the masses) to have no awareness of what's going on behind the scenes (in the invisible). No invisible? Reincarnate 50-100 more times: you will become a believer!

posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Badge01
But be aware that even this motif might be somewhat illusory and we may have a collective consciousness and once one person has such imagery it gets broadcast and then we pick up on it. (bizarre, but so are elves)

Let's say we don't have images upon which to reconstruct what 'it' is and we 'choose' elves because they are close.

Hell even if it's a collective broadcast, that's still pretty astounding. However the elves McKenna speaks of are "self-transforming machine-elves" which are shaped like jeweled mechanical basketballs.

I find that highly unusual...because as an experiencer, I have seen things that seem strangely familiar to that. While not exact, it still speaks to me that there's more going on in '___' experiences than someone just trippin'.

If you've ever read about my childhood experiences you'll note that mine started around 5 yrs old, and began with a spinning white square. That square is often (but not precisely) described in psychedelics. Now the rest of it departed pretty distinctly from anything psychedelic...but the onset similarity fascinates me.

Does this anomaly have the ability to effect perception? As far as I'm concerned 100% absolutely. Does it do so through initial manipulation of the penial gland to send you into an altered state where it can effectually "drag you in"?

Again, people always try to negate the psychological. When all of reality is psychological when it gets right down to it.

So what are they. Who are they.

[edit on 4-12-2008 by jritzmann]

posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 11:55 PM

Originally posted by Alter-Ego
But you cant really blame the "public at large". We have been spoon fed from birth completely conditioned to believe the "Extra-Terrestrial Hypothesis". Why? Is someone trying to reveal something to us, OR are they trying to hide or mask a reality that may be too frightening to try and explain, to the masses?

I don't blame the public at large, but I resent the ones who refuse to listen to reason, and want desperately to cling to an "answer" that neither fits nor applies to the real phenomena...and do so because they think they were entitled to an answer, and by god they got it...and hold onto it like grim death.

Why? Because the "truth" sells. The more fantastic the better. Double your money with "they have a hybrid program going", and "the govt knows".

You can't talk about the surrealistic nature, nor the high strangeness...because you write that in a book, and even the UFO devout will say you're insane. I could give a damn less, I'm doing it. Sooner or later people have to step back and realize they've been duped by only getting half the story.

posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 07:40 AM
reply to post by jritzmann

Well, if they decide to experience it, and I have somewhat, then by god they will get the whole story.

McKenna had a curious commen once, as he said that under '___' he shared the viewpoint of the UFO's. And in a lecture he said that around 2012 the UFO's would unveil themselves as the spirit of earth, communicating with our collective psyche. Sorry, no links and quoting off the top of my head. While I don't really buy too much into the timewave zero thing, to be it seems like there's confirmation bias going on there, it would be interesting to hear what the talking mushrooms actually told him, first hand. Which is why I've been eyeing the woods lately.

I think the reality envolves bonafide aliens up there, but they will probably turn out to be much more than the hollywood cartoon of them, as I indicated in my previous post, and as you explore in yours.

posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 08:16 AM
This thread (although it will still be up) is coming to a close today. PART TWO will begin where the results of this survey will be posted. I really want to thank everyone who took the time to reply and make this study possible.

I want to thank our special guests Jeff Ritzmann, and Badge01 for their thoughts and views, and I look forward to their return and Zorgon's presentation of a relatively obscure but very important CT or "Critter Theory". There is growing evidence showing this could be a viable possibility. Plasma based lifeforms.

I invite you all to return in the next thread to discuss or debate the findings where we will delve a little deeper into the mysterious properties behind the UFO phenomenon. Roll up your sleeves, and prepare for a journey, and take the next step in the evolution of UFOLOGY with us to shed the stigmas and focus the light of research into the dark corners of this enigma, and try to make some sense of this amazing puzzle. There is something out there...

posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 08:32 AM
Zorgon's coming! That'll be cool. Maybe we can get a JL update, too!

ET Plasma lifeforms: I've been telling the goodfolk this for a long time, and so have some others. Not new. I called it bio-etheric substance, with tiered plasmic (awareness) levels. They can become very flesh like as they have the energy.

Zorgon's comin' to ATS-town...just in time for x-mas! We better be good.

posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 09:05 AM
I think they're real...aliens I mean. UFO's are just that, unidentified, so it's hard to say what you're looking at. I think most are explainable, but yes, I believe there are many that are extra-terrestrial. I always try to imagine what we would do if we had the technology to travel the galaxies - Would we be flying around checking out all the planets? Heck yeah we would! And that's with NO agenda. We would do it because as humans, we're curious.

We can't presume what an advanced alien race would be doing monitoring our planet, but maybe, just maybe, they're curious like we are. Or maybe they like our planet but could care less if we wipe ourselves out or not. Maybe they have technology that can identify inhabitable planets from light years away...I don't know. Maybe their planet is dying and they need a new one. Maybe there is some universal law that says they can't influence our free will so they have to let us live out our destiny, whatever that may be. I don't have the answers to any of this...but it sure is fun to talk about!

posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 08:07 PM


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posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 08:55 PM
reply to post by oinkment

Nice report. It is good you do not intend to use these substances in the foreseeable future: they can have deleterious lasting effects that are little suspected, even after many yrs. of ingestion, such as psychotic breakdown, higher cerebral functioning & many associated syndromes/symptoms. Of course, young people who usually do these things have little idea. They tear holes in the energetic (etheric) field, leaving one open to many unforseeable consequences.

Not receiving a degree of connect indicates a psyche not built for it, or if so, untrained. It is the reason the modern populace is the way it is: ready to enjoy the fruits of life, even if those are as yet mere thistles. The modern culture is as a child that is mightily inquisitive, but tends to break things apart, not remembering how to connect them again.

You were in the subtle realms, as real as your toes & nose (& your friends'), and had no way to direct the awareness (tool), because of no guide. I can assure you, you were being watched playing in the sandbox of awareness by mighty ethereal entities, yet barely noticed.

Since you won't be re-entering this realm again (perhaps), I strongly felt you should know. And no, I am not one that is talking upon presumatives, but the startling inner realities of direct-connect (sans drugs, which really are not needed). The ancient meso-americans used these substances to achieve interdimensional travel, and many other things that the minds of base man couldn't conceive. Humanity: short history, short life-spans, big egos, no idea.

Again, thanks. I recommend meditation at this point. Slow is better than no.

(PS - Can you imagine being able to encounter consciousnesses in the air in full daylight, fully awake, that are the size of two-story mansions? Can I say, perhaps somebody here has missed something, eh?)

posted on Dec, 6 2008 @ 01:44 PM

Originally posted by SS,Naga Maybe we can get a JL update, too!

John Lear recently went through spinal cord surgery and is now recovering. After five years of walking with difficulty and in pain with the doctors not knowing what was wrong, he was found writhing in pain and incoherent on the floor of his den by his family.

After surgery and weeks of medication he is now recovering and was able to go to his mine last weekend.

Nevada has also reconsidered their forcing reclamation of the mine and are now looking at making it a historical location, as it is the only active operation in the area, (the rest are all open shafts with only traces of the miners left.

There you go... current update


posted on Dec, 6 2008 @ 05:35 PM
reply to post by zorgon

Many thanks, Z. Pass our best wishes to JL when you see him again; I am sure many will be happy to hear this positive update.

The world is highly enriched with JL's presence & giving. I know I have been.

posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 06:02 PM
Why is there a bunch of people who WANT to believe in some aliens visiting us? What's the point?

posted on Dec, 16 2008 @ 07:30 PM
I believe aliens are just beings like us, just developed over evolution a bit differently in their bodies, partly because of different conditions on other habitat planets.
I do believe just few people, that told me about strange figures in the skies and other phenomena just because they was my very close relatives or friends and had so much respect from me, 99.5% of internet material i take as a full hoax, because i know what is digital information and i handle 3d, photoshop and final cut very well.

posted on Dec, 21 2008 @ 04:09 PM
Mainly due to the NASA STS mission videos, I believe they are either:

1. Beings from another planet
2. Entities that can live in space and travel between planets
3. Beings from another dimension

My main reason is that the videos show that they can perform intelligent manouvers of such g force that would crush a human.

posted on Dec, 21 2008 @ 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Awoken One
2. Entities that can live in space and travel between planets

There you go

While UFO hunters are still positive they are all Alien spacecraft, mainstream science is coming up with answers

Google search for Plasma Life Forms

Results 1 - 10 of about 493,000 for plasma life forms. (0.23 seconds)

As my daughter would say...


[edit on 21-12-2008 by zorgon]

posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 03:47 AM
If we are to accept the existence of ufo's, we must use this belief as a justification for further understanding of what exactly a ufo is.

posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 04:51 AM
I'm late to this dance but have to add my comments. Then I'll get a chance to read all the others as well.

Yes, Alter-Ego I agree with you that they are real. But then again I'm another person who's seen one first hand.

Now what are they? I believe that some of them are piloted probes that are here studying us (and in some ways helping steer us along the way).

I look forward to reading your synopsis of all the inputs.

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