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Originally posted by Badge01
As far as we know, paranormal events or experiences seem to resist any attempt to demonstrate it for scientific examination. Sure there are photographs and radar traces, but all of them are blurry, indistinct, equivocal, subject to mis-interpretation or variable interpretation (depending on the experience or lack of same of the one inspecting the event).
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
- maybe it's a matter of things lining up at the same place or time - or under certain so far unobservable conditions - and then figuring out how to work it
and that place or condition is where all the ghosts and goblins, angels, demons and UFOs have been hiding out
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
I can't shake the feeling that different "conditions" can exist in the same place at the same time - but still be different places
...It occurred to me then that, could it be possible they were not contacting a long dead Princess' ghost, but that they were talking to her through time. Was she standing in her room long ago, heard voices and responded to them? She did sound genuinely perplexed...
Does time exist laterally as a whole, and consciousness moves through it...
Now that said, are some UFO's the same thing? Mirages not in space, but in time?
Originally posted by ziggystar60
reply to post by aliensarereal
Well, I am both a skeptic and a beliver. Many things I consider pure BS, like the Galactic Federation of Light and the chemtrails. But UFOs? There is NO doubt in my mind that they are real, that real sightings and encounters have occured.
My personal theory is that some are aliens, some are secret military technology, and some are timetravellers. Yes, I dare to say it, timetravellers.
So there you have it, my very personal opinion. Interesting thread you have started, thanks!
Originally posted by Alter-Ego
What do you think UFO's are?
A brief explanation of why you believe what you've said
Originally posted by Badge01
I think we need to re-define the phenomenon, even to the point of separating the 'classic UFO' from the 'classic Alien'. I'm not convinced they are related to each other, except in sci-fi.
Originally posted by Lost_Mind
I have even hoped that someday here at ATS we would progress enough to be able to separate them as a forum topic someday, just to clear the air for each topic so to speak...
Originally posted by jritzmann
Most would rather subscribe to fantasy and aggressively defend it then consider the actual data and get into some new thinking.
Originally posted by jritzmann
I'd continue hoping. We can't seem to get past "Billy Meier is the REAL DEAL!", and "I'm an Alien" or "Stargates are Real!".
Let's face it, if you're critical thinking and you question this subject intently and stand up and say what has to be said...you're in the minority. Most would rather subscribe to fantasy and aggressively defend it then consider the actual data and get into some new thinking.
Originally posted by jritzmann
Originally posted by jritzmann
Do any of you know, what is reported by "experiencers" as occurring to them in addition to "abductions"? In other words, what else they experience - barring nosebleeds, marks and such. I'm talking about other experiences. Anyone know? Because it's highly telling. I won't be shocked if no one knows, because it's been buried by most mainstream "researchers" for years.
Since no one has responded to this I'll spill it.
The commonality you won't often hear from the mainstream is that other "paranormal" events do often occur in the lives of lifelong experiencers. It can run from ghosts to other more bizarre events.
Interesting no?
Originally posted by KembaraLangit
I have only read through half of the pages in the thread & I'm already dying to see what outcome this study might bring forth S & F for a very intriguing & honest effort to move forward in Ufology Alter Ego..
Here's my take on the matter
1) UFO's can't all be Alien nor can it all be simple mis-identification of natural phenomena & secret military projects. There are also quite a bit of cases where the probable ship/aerial vehicle seemed to show a somewhat organic property (i.e. shape shifting)....Thus for me they are, base on what limited facts & data are currently available, a mix of all three possibilities. (I don't know enough about inter-dimensionality to talk about such possibility)
2) I think UFO's are a mix of all 3 possibilities mentioned above, because there have always been cases representative of all three categories, as far as my personal recollection counted Of course, I can always be wrong...
Is this multi-faceted nature of the UFO phenomenon actually a by product of the human collective perception or consciousness?? I really hope your keen effort will bring us at least closer to answering that