Free Tibet? Hell, free America!

reply to post by Witness2008


So, 152 executions

And a self confessed mass murderer was let off.

Yep that makes sense - if you think about bush at the same time, maybe he's hoping the same will apply to him

The man is a genuine loon, and a bloodthirsty one at that.



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reply to post by budski


You may have heard of The Project for a New American Century, but I'll leave the link so others can see that these days we now live in were planned. Make note of the contibutors at the bottom of the page, then throw in the highest paid puppet in all of history... and you get the Bush administration.

www.newamericancentury.org...

Hi everybody,

What really annoys me is when the right wingers assume all leftists are lazy, drug addicts, hippies, anarchists, etc. Such comments are not only absurd but are alsoextremely ignorant!

Just because the american welfare system is severly fu... up does not mean the same is true elsewhere. I agree that a lot of minorities are abusing the system to their advantage but thats because of all the loopholes. Fix it...not disband it! The same with social security.

From the comments in this thread alone I can tell some people have never traveled abroad. There absolute disgust of socialism speaks volumes. Why not travel to canada and get a taste? Also there are many "brands" of socialism just like there are many "brands" of capitalism. And no socialism does not equate to communism. They are separate systems...at least in theory.

I still say that if we could systematically FIRE the US Government, those left in place might be a bit more willing to work for their country rather than themselves. Screw impeachment trials, they take too long. Walk into the WH, look at Bush and Cheney, and say YOU ARE FIRED. I'd bet the next in line would be a little smarter about how they conduct their leadership. Same applies for Congress. Go in and fire about 25% of them, and take away their pensions. Then sit back and watch the rest of the little rats scramble to fix what they borked in the first place.

reply to post by Mekanic


Um, that wont work, we don't live in a perfect world.
Did anyone read what I wrote earlier in this thread?
I think it answers some good questions.

-Jimmy

reply to post by jimmyjackblack


I know it won't work, but isn't it nice to dream from time to time?

reply to post by Mekanic


Yeah, I guess, but I'd rather not let my dreams get my hopes up and then brutally shattered.
That has happened to me too many times.

-Jimmy

reply to post by budski


As I said, the only thing I think the article states that is well substantiated, and less opinionated, is the unjust US prison system.

Additionally, I support the torture of enemy combatants who are immune to international laws in the first place.

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reply to post by budski
budski,The american public don't care as long as they get home in time to watch AI,CSI or whatever else is on the tv set and just as long as there is a Starbucks on every courner they are happy mindless consumers.

Yeah, the constant I find is most people are raised to believe their country stands for freedom so much, that when the country stops being free, they are unable to bring themselves to believe it.

In the end, it's pretty much like a child dropping to the ground, fingers in ears, screaming lalalalalala can't hear you!

Which is only making the situation worse. It's because there's such a staggering number of these people that the government is able to get away with stripping the rights and freedoms of the people.

And they will still remain, waving the flag, praising how wonderful freedom is. Even from within the future walled, watched, and heavily policed communities.

Actually...Japan also executes people. They are a first class industrial nation as well...And how did I guess the OP was anti-executions

I do not find anything wrong with these things brought up except the drug system and imprisoning so many for drugs.

It is obviously liberal spew. All countries torture for information in times of need, sometimes its the only way to get things done. And religious zealots? So what. They'll die off soon enough.

Originally posted by budski

Free Tibet? Hell, free America!

www.sfgate.com

we top it off by imprisoning tens of thousands more merely for growing or selling a bit of marijuana or Ecstasy or meth, wasting tens of billions of dollars on an overflowing prison system and a failed drug war that no one at the highest levels of government dares speak against because oh my God all drugs are evil! Now go slam a few beers and a fistful of Xanax and forget about it.

(visit the link for the full news article)

As one who was once an activist with NORML (national organization for the reform of marijuana laws) and a strong supportive of cognitive liberty, this is something that hits close to home for me. the drug war is a total sham. sure, it is not beneficial for one to become addicted to crack or heroin, but that doesn't mean we need to government to help us decide what we want to put in our bodies. the whole idea pisses me off so much. we should be able to alter our bodies and brains and perceptions in any way we choose. in some ways, this is the BIGGEST conspiracy of all time.... religion, government, the war on drugs, the war on terror (i.e. dissent) - they are all methods of controlling how we think and thus how we experience reality. anyone who tells me i don't have the right to experience altered states of consciousness - whether through prayer, celibacy, meditation, magick or chemical stimuli - deserves the most horrible tortures imaginable. of all our civil liberties and human rights, nothing is more important that the right to enjoy, experience and alter your experience of reality. by confining us to the so-called "consensual" reality, they trap us in "their" world.

PS...I tend to encourage natural substances (alcohol, cannabis, psilocin) and the occasional mind-expanding chemical substance (lsd, doc, 2ci, etc) but i in no way support pill-poppers, meth addicts, crack heads, heroin junkies, etc. BUt they should have just as much right to experience reality as they wish as i do with my trippy #. ok, so maybe the addicts become violent and threatening in the need to get their fix? well, if everyone was free to protect themselves (i.e. own guns) ...in an ideal anarchist utopia, it would all balance out. F**** the whole control machine. all government is inherently evil.

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After reading this im getting on the first plane to North Korea

I wonder whose more depressed overall (negative state of mind); Persecuted Tibetans or Brain Washed Americans/British.

reply to post by redzi0n


Not ALL Tibetans are persecuted even though that's the impression we get from the media.
Now don't get me wrong, I think the situation is terrible - but our governments won't do anything to upset the chinese.

On the other hand, it seems our governments have no problems upsetting their own citizens...

FREE TIBET!!!!!

With every purchase of CHINA!!!

reply to post by WoMaNfIsH




could it also be said:

FREE Iraq!
With every vote for bu#es???

Originally posted by marg6043
US is not the only rich country in the world is other countries with systems of governments that works for their people, Why immigrants do not flood those nations? because their borders are not so easily broken and these countries do not allow immigrants illegally.

I'm sorry for bursting in like this. But that's a "splitted hair". In the country where I live it's correct we don't have that many illegal immigrants - But flooded by immigrants we are. As an example; The small town Södertälje has taken in More Iraqui immigrants than Canada and the US together.

Most of "us" over here welcome immigrants, and it's easy to be allowed to stay here either for some time or the rest of your life - as long as you have a good enough reason. And as our borders are "open and welcome" (I for an example do not need a passport to move through Scandinavia, and selldom have to show it traveling further down south as Germany and so on) there's no reason for people to sneak in - nor sneak out.

But yeah.. if "we" do find illegal immigants (I think that occours like.. once a year or so) they either get their cases tried, or get's kicked out with the words; "Send in the proper papers - Byebye See you later"

reply to post by emeessa


No, please feel free to make as many posts as you like - you're not "bursting in" on anything.

That's what the threads are here for and it's always nice to have additional info and idea's - that's the name of the game here on ATS.

I look forwards to seeing you around the boads and reading more of your input.

reply to post by budski


Thank you..

I don't know how many europeans you have on here.. but I guess we have a little different point of view on some things..

Speaking about freedom.. I've been thinking, freedom for us up here/over here.. For me freedom is to be able to walk around without worrying about people wearing firearms or knifes, it's the freedom to belive in whatever God i choose, and the freedom to argument for my belifes when needed. (I'm not of the religiouskind) It's also my freedom to walk where ever I please, to put my tent up in whatever forrest I find, swim in each lake. Freedom for me is knowing that whatevery I do, whatever law I break, I still have the right to my life, I still have the right to not be harmed. I don't have to worry about cops beating me up, I don't have to worry about anyone getting stupid ideas about what to do with/about me for the way I look. It's a very "personal freedom" we have over here.. Most of it is the same where you live.. But "our" picture of US, the country and the politic, is a very dark one. Very similar to the threads first post..

Freedom.. is to be able to act as I please - But freedom comes with a Price.. and that's the price of being very well aware about how your actions affect others. Freedom goes hand in hand with respect.

Freedom is taking responsability for what you can affect..

The way most of "us" over here feel about US is that it's a country with a BigBrother complex, keeping their people scared - and hunting - ghost so you wont react to what's going in inside your borders. You seem to - for "us" - be a country with a lot of very religious people.. and most religions teach their followers to either hate or fear their opposits. And Yes, we are Scared as we look over seas and see schoolshootings, Iraqiwar, the war on terrorism. But mostly what freaks a lot of us out is the fact that US is one powerfull nation.. who still have political chickenpocks.