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Originally posted by cybrseer
It must be noted that in 636 C.E., when the Arabs marauders came to the land and uprooted even more of its Jews, they did not form any Arab nation there...
Originally posted by yahn goodey
2000 years ago or last week-----what difference does that make if you are away from your home for whatever reason and then return to find out that squatters have moved in and claim its their house not yours ?
Hey cyberseer! For an agnostic, you seem to make much of the jewish 'God-given right' to take over land in Palestine.
For example, you say that Yasser Arafat was Egyptian. Yasser Arafat did not have Egyptian nationality. His parents were both Palestinian (or Gazan, if you dislike the term Palestinian). His only connection to Egypt was the fact that he was born there, and that his paternal grandmother was Egyptian.
Arabs did not in any way 'uproot' any Jews, in fact, it was under the Arabs that for the first time in some 500 years the Jews were permitted to return to the area.
Also, Palestine is called 'فلسطين' (phalasteen) by the Palestinians and other arabic speakers. I think you'll see that they do have an 'f' in arabic.
And you'll see that no, the term 'palestinian' before the establishment of the state of Israel was used to refer to both 'Palestinian Arabs' as well as 'Palestinian Jews'- There was no discrimination on ethnic grounds. This is also backed up with how Britian used the term (all people born in, or legally residing in the area defined by the British Mandate of Palestine)
Originally posted by yahn goodey
moses and joshua did what G-D told them to do---consequently their reward is eternal life when Messiah returns and resurrects the dead saints and prophets all the way back up to 6000 years ago.
Originally posted by cybrseer
In regards to Jews taking over land in Palestine, all history that I have researched, with the exception of those that hate Jews, clearly shows that Arabs took land from the Jews.
Originally posted by cybrseer
I am unable to find any legitimate historical data that backs up your claim.
Originally posted by cybrseer
I said they don't have a ' P ' in arabic.
Palestine is a name the Romans gave to Israel after they conquered it. Which was intended to humiliate the Jews. Arabs decided to use the name Palestine as their own ancient and modern name, however, they had great difficulty pronouncing Palestine because arabic does not have a ' P ', so they turned the name Palastine into Falastin a purely fictional enity.
Wikipedia has some information you might be interested in. I do not know if you believe that wikipedia has hatred for Jews, but the article has been extensively referenced. Perhaps you could point me in the way of whatever research it is that shows you that Arabs uprooted the Jews.
While I believe the history of the etymology of the name is relatively unimportant, I'd like to address some points. In arabic, the transliteration of words that start with 'P' in English is usually done with the letter for 'B'- hence the (slightly off-colour) joke 'Where should I 'bark'?
Anyhow, the Arabic name for Palestine was used from the 7th Century onwards, long before any idea to be 'creating a ancient history' for the the people of Palestine.
The reason I believe that the history of the etymology of the word 'Palestine' is unimportant, is because it is once again delving into semantics. It doesn't matter what reason the Romans had for calling that area Palestine, the fact is that they did, and the name stuck for some 2000 years- to the land as well as the people.
Originally posted by cybrseer
I do not use or trust Wikipedia for any serious research, as it is easily altered by anyone with an personal agenda.
Originally posted by cybrseer
The reason I brought up the etymology is that Palestinians were never Arabs according to the history I have researched. The reason I believe this is significant is because the modern day Palestinians claim the region known a Palestine was theirs. It never was. The region called Palestine was Israel. The modern day Palestinians claim they are Palestinians. They never were. Palestinians were Jews. Modern day Palestinians have usurped the name and the history for there own personal agenda. I have yet to see any substantiated evidence to the contrary.
Perhaps you could point me in the way of whatever research it is that shows you that Arabs uprooted the Jews.
Originally posted by yahn goodey
2000 years ago or last week-----what difference does that make if you are away from your home for whatever reason and then return to find out that squatters have moved in and claim its their house not yours ?
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
So you're going back to Europe? Or perhaps Africa or Asia? If you go through the proper channels and are willing to assimilate with our culture, I think we might let you back in.