Islamic Scholar: Working Women Should Breastfeed Male Colleagues

Disgusting? I thought it was hillarious. What a monumental boob, so to speak.

It might have done some good though:

The breastfeeding fatwa moved even some conservative Muslims to attempt to draw a line between ancient tradition and modern life.

intrepid, good thing I'm single & alone in this big house..can't imagine such things being connected or married...

Dallas

This is hilarious, I just can't picture a bunch of grown men waiting in line to suckle the boob. How can this make them more like family? I might have to reread this to make sure I am understanding. I guess if the women are willing.

Originally posted by subz
Why wasn't the main thrust of this article "Islamic Scholar Immediately Suspended For Suggesting Idiotic Fatwa"? This is the belief of one man, hardly representative of Islam.

Perhaps it is because even his suspension will not negate the fatwa. As a cleric he can issue one no matter what others think. That is the way their religion works, anyone that is a cleric can issue their own rulles.

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I bet he started no end of discussions in Moslem circles. Maybe the very stupidity of his statement will make people question the role and status of working Moslem women and set off an improvement of circumstances for them.

Agent provocateur anyone?

Unfortunately, I am inclined not to agree with you. Social change doesn't happen because one person makes a crazy statement. There would have to be, I imagine, a social change over there analogous to what the US experienced in the 1960's. I would be very happen for them if it were to be a catalyst for change, but I don't expect much.

After thinking about this for a while, I think I agree that this guy did this as a satirical joke meant to arouse debate about women's roles in Islamic society.

I can't imagine that he meant this seriously.

Originally posted by djohnsto77


I can't imagine that he meant this seriously.

No I think you had it right the first time around. Surely he knew it would cause a controversy, however it backfired on him so now he is out of a job yet he still has his fatwa. Now if he had recnted then I would agree with you.

So...

When it's time for your break, you can have a nice cup of milk from your female coworkers?

Man, I gotta move to a Muslim country...

Proves once again that Muslims hate the west and their backward ways must be stoped. Not by war, but by influence.

Originally posted by Gorman91
Proves once again that Muslims hate the west and their backward ways must be stoped. Not by war, but by influence.

Yeah because one person said something...

Can we generalize the same about the society you live in by your backward ways?

I wasnt breast fed as a baby and IM sure as hell not going to breast feed as a grown man

Originally posted by shots
Perhaps it is because even his suspension will not negate the fatwa. As a cleric he can issue one no matter what others think. That is the way their religion works, anyone that is a cleric can issue their own rulles.

Read the article please.

From OP article

Al-Azhar University formed a committee of hadith experts, who dismissed his ruling, and the university administration ordered him to publish a retraction. He complied.

Even the top religiour authority in Egypt was not satisfied with that and stated:

However, his apology was deemed insufficient by the head of the al-Azhar Supreme Council, Sheik Muhammed Sayyid Tantawi, a widely respected figure who is the highest spiritual authority in Sunni Islam.

"There is enough chaos with all the unsupervised fatwas (published) on satellite channels," the sheik said. "We will never permit this chaos to spread to the religious establishment and to al-Azhar." Following his remarks, the university decided to suspend Dr Atiyaa, pending further investigation.

The first problem with all this, is the common ignorance in muslim and non-muslim peoples and countries about what fatwa is and who can issue it.
And the second problem is that all the most idiotic and rediculous fatwas issued by some obscure, backwatered, lowleveled and probably powerthirsty religious figures, makes the prime news.

And this is not only in Islam. I've heard some stupid things from some Catholic figures in my country. The winning statement of one bishop was, how the White Guard (paramilitary organization who was fighting on the Nazi side during WWII), fought for freedom, democracy and united Europe. And what sadens me, is that many people in their blind hate of communist past bought that crap.

[edit on 24-6-2007 by yanchek]

I can't believe it. As I have read, the Hadith are stories about Muhammad which he did not authorise. They must have been changed and influenced so that the original context was almost completely different.

I cannot believe that any religion would discourage pre-marital sexual relations and then allow breast-feeding of adults. I cannot see that breastfeeding would stop there. Aroused men and perhaps, the woman involved may want to take it further.

This is just a ridiculous, 'unprovable' piece of nonsense that discredits the place of religion in the world once again.

The atheists will have a great time with this story.

yanchek

I did not read that part. Sorry I stand correctd. My error.

Originally posted by Heronumber0
I cannot believe that any religion would discourage pre-marital sexual relations and then allow breast-feeding of adults.

It doesn't.

Read the article.

Its ONE person that said this, not a whole religion.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
This is about women having to breastfeed their grown male coworkers at work in order to be able to work with them without breaking Islamic law.

Would you like to whip out a breast and feed a team of men just so you can work in an office?

No. NOT "having to" ...but rather, she MAY and would have done no wrong.

The islamic role of the woman is with family; in the home; a care-giver. She should NOT be exposed to the world of "men", as that world is largly "tainted" by the "evil" and decay physicaly an morally present. It is the "man's" job to protect the (in many ways) weaker female (and her brood) from this "filth". Should "she" be exposed to the mental/physical decay of the outside world she would be predisposed to impose this negativity to her children/family. This is why, ideally, the "male" stays without, as the protector, and the female generally should stay "within".

So... in general, she "should" never be "in the office" because it detracts from her ability to serve the introverted side of "family" in a morally pure way.

However,

Should a "priest", or spirit thereof, come to believe that a man "needed" the miracle that is breastmilk. A woman could enter the physical workplace of the unrelated man as a "family" member that was "caring" for the ailing individual.

She still would NOT be "able to work with them" in their affairs. Her disrobed presence would be to serve "the man" in need of her familial care.

The hadith of Salem does not mean that all women should be forced to "whip out their breast".

But rather that if a man was deemed by someone he Believed to be a "scholar" or "prophet" to need the "miracle"; she (so believing) would be doing no "religious wrong" by being in the place of work to provide such.

So, if an ailing man could "lower his eyes in modesty", and a milk-fertile woman could do the same... And some high authority came to believe that the Lord Allah himself felt the woman could cure the man. And... both the man and woman believed in this "prophet" as a messenger of Allah. She would be in the right; "acting in righteousness" "doing holy work" to provide aid.

as the fatwa stated:

"providing that their being together serves some purpose, religious or secular... "

This is a very SPECIAL and RARE circumstance.

The scholar retracted his statement because the still largely unenlightened masses were not ready for it; and he recognizes that fact.

To further clarify, imagine if the miracle that is breastmilk became the known cure of morgellon's. But only if you Believed as you suckled.

I am,

Sri Oracle - religious scholar

If you thought I was crazy before... whshoooosh... I'm off the deep end now.

Originally posted by subz

Originally posted by Gorman91
Proves once again that Muslims hate the west and their backward ways must be stoped. Not by war, but by influence.

Yeah because one person said something...

Can we generalize the same about the society you live in by your backward ways?

theirs no comparison between the backwars way of america and Islam. Islam is completly backwards, America just has a few chinks it has to fix.

Originally posted by shots
yanchek

I did not read that part. Sorry I stand correctd. My error.

No problem. We are only humans. (That's all I want to be, and it's a hard job if I may say so)

Cheers,

yanchek