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Originally posted by Kachina
In Iraq, more Christians dead or Muslims?
In Palestine, Israel and Jordon...more Christians/Jews dead or Muslims?
I thought Christians were good at math, Jews certainly are.
But why is it whenever you do your head counts you get it wrong...
Israel and the Christian US kill many more Muslims than Muslims killing the Judaeo/Christian...
Leave it to the American Jewish accountant to fix the books...
Bush grew up?
Wake up and learn how to count fingers before pointing them.
Originally posted by Odium
Look at what constitutes Qu’ranic violence. The best one he can show is:
Surah 5:33
"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom."
That’s the best he can come up with?
Originally posted by xmotex
And I can show you pictures of Christian extremists waving placards that say "Thank GOD for September 11th" and such at the funerals of US Servicemen killed in Iraq.
What's your point? Fanatics are, well, fanatics...
[edit on 9/17/06 by xmotex]
Originally posted by Ezekiel
Yes in Iraq there are lots of Muslims dead - and whos killing them, OTHER MUSLIMS. The allied forces arent in there going around killing everyone, they are there trying to defend the innocent civilians while rooting out the extremists and the insurgents.
The insurgents have killed significantly more innocent muslims than the American forces have.
Iray-Body Count
Who did the killing?
US-led forces killed 37% of civilian victims.
Anti-occupation forces/insurgents killed 9% of civilian victims.
Post-invasion criminal violence accounted for 36% of all death.
What was the most lethal weaponry?
Over half (53%) of all civilian deaths involved explosive devices.
Air strikes caused most (64%) of the explosives deaths.
Children were disproportionately affected by all explosive devices but most severely by air strikes and unexploded ordnance (including cluster bomblets).
Lebanon? Who caused that problem - MUSLIM EXTREMISTS. Hezbollah started the fight, then based their operations from within areas populated with Civilians. Shooting rockets into israel from residential buildings - how can you justify that?
PLease show me the head count of INNOCENT muslims that have been killed by the 'Christian US' as compared to the number of innocent muslims killled by other muslims.
If you want to keep your head in the sand and blame all of the worlds problems on George Bush and the Western Military because it easier for you - then go ahead. But dont tell me to "wake up", when obviously you have such a narrow perspective on the issue that you cant accept the most obvious of facts - MUSLIM extremists are the ones killing all of the innocent people, not the 'christian armies'.
Just because they blame all of the violence on the west and America does not justify the countless innocent deaths that people of all faith and religions have had to suffer all throughout their violent campaignm, nor does it make it the West's fault.
FROM WOUNDED KNEE TO IRAQ
One of the most dangerous ideas of the 20th century was that "people like us" could not commit atrocities against civilians.
- German and Japanese citizens believed it, but their militaries slaughtered millions of people.
- British and French citizens believed it, but their militaries fought brutal colonial wars in Africa and Asia.
- Russian citizens believed it, but their armies murdered civilians in Afghanistan, Chechnya, and elsewhere.
- Israeli citizens believed it, but their army mowed down Palestinians and Lebanese.
- Arabs believed it, but suicide bombers and hijackers targeted U.S. and Israeli civilians.
- U.S. citizens believed it, but their military killed hundreds of thousands in Vietnam, Iraq, and elsewhere.
Can you HONESTLY say (and remember god is watching) that you have NEVER seen any Muslims trying to prevent you from having say after looking at those photos?
Lets start with the 2,800 people from September 11. Gee I think I win already.
Yes they were there before we went into Iraq and Afghanistan - oh and what about all of the terrorists in Pakistan?
Oh you want some more examples of Violence in the quran? Heres a whole thread just for you then!
Excerpts from the Qu'Ran and Islamic scholarly books
And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
Originally posted by Knights
Originally posted by ThinksYouAreAnIdiot
Maybe, but only muslims are still doing it.
Along with slavetrading, vaginal circumcisions, executing gays for homosexuality, genocidal racial purges, and stoning women for being raped.
I have to admit i'm not quite up to scratch with religious violence but i'm sure Christians are still active in killings/ bombings etc.
I can't find a link but I had the idea that mass murders were still regulary being fought in the 'name of God' in Africa/ parts of Asia?
by ezekiel
Can you HONESTLY say (and remember god is watching) that you have NEVER seen any Muslims trying to prevent you from having
say after looking at those photos?
Originally posted by Odium
Yep, I’ve never felt any oppression from a Muslim. I live in a Muslim Community, I’m openly not Muslim, I know the local
Imam. We even had debates in some of my Law Classes with Muslims over the cartoons. Rather civil, polite conversations. I
have never in my life lived in a nice area than the one I live in now.
President George W. Bush is a Christian. Do I really need to point out how many people have died in Iraq because of his
actions? If all Muslims are responsible for all of their actions, all Christians are too. As per-normal, more death at
present is on the hands of Non-Muslims than Muslims.
From wikipedia
in November 1998, at the urging of President Bill Clinton, the U.S. House of Representatives and the US Senate passed the
"Iraq Liberation Act of 1998," [17] which "declare[d] that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam
Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government." This bill was signed into law by President
Clinton.
Try and paint it off as Muslim violence against other Muslims. However, anyone with a brain knows that these terrorist attacks were not happening prior to the United State’s invading the country.
Furthermore, the United State’s did bomb buildings which resulted in the loss of civilian life - the United State’s just paints them as collateral damage. Would you like it if I did the same to the victims of September the 11th? They were just
collateral damage in an attack on the United State’s. It can’t be one way and not the other.
You just made me laugh.
I do hope you know, Sahih Bukhari is not a text within the Qu’ran?
In fact, they’re only believed by Ahl ul-Sunna Muslims and not all of those believe in it either.
The rest of the thread is nothing more than idiotic mistranslations, as well as pulling the quotes out of context. Words like
fight, slaughter, etc, do not necessarily mean what you think they do. You’re as bad as the people who think Jihad means a
form of physical war, it means nothing of the sort.
It is because of the ignorance of people like you, that fanaticism is allowed to grow. You are no better than any of these radical imams when you try and paint off civilian casualties as nothing more than “collateral damage”. It is because of the actions of the United State’s that terrorism is growing. They trained people like Bin Laden in the hope they would use these tactics against the Russian’s. However the U.S.S.R. fell and the United State’s was the one who began to support regimes like the kings of Saudi Arabia who oppress Muslims.
While you have those in your country, in your administration, in power your Nation is no better than any Islamic Nation who oppresses its people. Just because you have freedoms at home does not mean your Government controls those in other Nation’s.
You support the puppet Governments of Saudi Arabia and many other Nations who are fuelled by oppression. Until the United State’s stops supporting them, it has no right to speak about a “War on Terrorism”. It has no right to speak about bring democracy, freedom and justice to Muslims.
You did not listen and the blood of those innocents is on your Governments hands and the hands of anyone who voted them into power.
Originally posted by Ezekiel
Oh you want some more examples of Violence in the quran? Heres a whole thread just for you then!
Excerpts from the Qu'Ran and Islamic scholarly books
Originally posted by DJMessiah
Originally posted by Ezekiel
Oh you want some more examples of Violence in the quran? Heres a whole thread just for you then!
Excerpts from the Qu'Ran and Islamic scholarly books
I read your topic and it's nothing but misquoting of the Quran, taking many Surrahs out of context. Why not read the entire Quran instead of copying and pasting what you see an anti-Islamic site post?
Originally posted by Ezekiel
My point, is that you dont have Priests and Bishops preaching messages of hate and violence to millions of Christians.
Originally posted by DJMessiah
Well that's a good thing, because all this time, I thought people like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggart, Richard Rossi, Rod Parsley, Benny Hinn, Paul Crouch, Garner Ted Armstrong, Jim Whittington, James Kennedy, and John Hagee preached hate against homosexuality, Islam, and other religions.
[edit on 18-9-2006 by DJMessiah]