UNCOVERED: Russian-Syrian-Iranian Axis!!!

Originally posted by iskander
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Just more snake oil and Jesus Christ International Incorporated, and to make sure, there is NO Russian-Syrian-Iranian Axis, it's all delusional nonsense.

That's where you are wrong, sure the original site is trying to use what is really happening to change people's mind into believing in Jesus, but still there is proof, which i presented, that Russia, China, Iran and other Arab countries have united to opose NATO and the United States... You should read the links i gave before claiming "it is all dellusional nonsense"....

[edit on 29-7-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by maloy
To all of your saying that Communism is a realistic threat to US and Russia has masterminded a plan to take over the world- wake up.

No need to, could you tell us what your avatar means?....

The hammer and sickle is a symbol used to represent communism and communist political parties. It features a sickle superimposed on a hammer. The two tools are symbols of the peasantry and the industrial proletariat; placing them together symbolises the unity between agricultural and industrial workers.

It is best known from having been incorporated into the red flag of the Soviet Union, along with the Red Star. It has also been used in other flags and emblems.

en.wikipedia.org...

Your avatar shows the Hammer and Sickle over the world, meaning Communism ruling the world, and then there is the Red Star above the world, which is also another Communist symbol, and then you "talk about capitalism wanting to take over the world"?..... Right clicking in your avatar even proves what it is all about.

centipedia.com...Soviet_coat_of_arms.jpg

Originally posted by maloy
Communism has never been more of a threat to the world than any other political system, be is feudalism, dictatorship, or corporate imperialistic capitalism (what US has- democracy gets a back seat). Communism might have been viewed as a threat in the 1950's and 60's, when it in fact appealed to many third world countries around the world. And why wouldn' these countries want communism, after being exploited by Western empires under the pretense of the so called free market and democracy? Face it- communism appeals to a lot of people, and there is nothing US or anyone can do to change that.

Communism has exploited, and murdered more people around the world than Capitalism ever has... People in third world countries are "not attracted to Communism", they are attracted at the lies spread by Communism that everyone will have the same, and noone will suffer, all lies to what Communism really brings to every country. This disease, Communism, has destroyed the lives of billions of people, it supresses the individual and the human spirit.

Originally posted by maloy
US is used to thinking democracy is the holy of holies- the GOD of the 21 century.

I was born in a Communist country and I saw what Communism does to the people of a country and the country itself, i went through it and your lies are not going to affect me the least. I was raised in a socialist/democratic society for 10 years, yet their immigration laws would have assured that if i stayed there, I would probably not have the electronics engineering degree i have because my parents decided to move to the United States.

Originally posted by maloy
Well what makes you think that a century from now democracy won't fail? People have not yet found a perfect political system- and democracy is certainly not it.

There are no guarantees of anything, but democracy in a represented Republic is 1000 times better than Communism, and if you take a look at what has been happening in socialist countries, they have a lot more problems than people in the United States...

Originally posted by maloy
Democracy is vastly overshadowed by corporate capitalism which breeds globalism.

BS, democracy assures the individual freedom of every man and woman, and allows for the growth of the self. Capitalism respects the individual while Communism tries to restrict the individual. Yes, there are people who take advantage of Capitalism, just like in any other political/eonoimical system.... But the facts prove that Communism is one of the worse political/economic systems the world has ever known.

Originally posted by maloy
The few exploit the many- making the many beilieve that they are still in control.

Yeah, well, apparently you want Communism to rule over the world...so please take your lies elsewhere....

Originally posted by maloy
Well tell me- was the American public in control when Bush got elected in 2000?

Yes we were.... Just because there are groups of people "who think" it wasn't doesn't make it true... and don't tell me you are going to claim that "people are in control of a country in Communism", because that is a lie... Communism assures that a few individuals have true control over the people, over every aspect of their lives.

Originally posted by maloy
Was the American public in control when US went to war in Iraq?

Yes we were....

Originally posted by maloy
Was the American public in control when politicians were feeding them lies about the so called 'Axis Of Evil"-

Lies?.....could you explain what you are trying to claim with that statement?...

Originally posted by maloy
while the real evil lurkes in your own country- Haliburton, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Conoco Phillips, Exxon Mobil, GE. That is who is in the drivers seat of your democracy- that is who pressures US to go to war- that is who will ultimately destroy your country, not communism.

BS....Every country in the world has big companies, and Communism has the biggest companies of any other economical/political system, because every part of the infraestructure of such country is controlled completly by the state.....

Originally posted by maloy
Yes you can believe that I am part of the Communist disinformation agenda.

I don't have to believe anything, you proved it with your avatar.... You have the two most important symbols of Communism in your avatar, The Hammer and Sickle over the whole world, and the red star above the world....

All i see you do is try to persuade people that "there is no threat in Communism", or that the alliance between these countries have nothing to do with trying to destroy the United States economically or militarily, yet the facts prove the contrary.

[edit on 30-7-2006 by Muaddib]

Competition over resources is the overarching 'ideology'. Politics and religion are shiny billboards. That East and West wear different cloaks does not distinguish the fundamental economic bellies rumbling underneath. Both have reason to fear the militant Islamic potential and vice versa, yet the Islamic cradle of the ME is exactly where the greatest resource wealth lies.

So superpowers old and new keep strategising relations in the ME, refreshing polarity in the region. Islamic extremism has evolved from the international struggle for resources. Resource seeking outsiders are drawn into an economic Faustian bargain. Meddling in the ME has gained pre-eminence over the tools of economic growth but has bred seething discontent that hails wiping out all of the infidel intruders. So we don't just pay for oil, we die for it. Why do Western leaders complain that 'they hate our way of life'? Because it is dependent on their resources and is married to the opposed Christian traditions of western faith.

It is predicted that 75% of the growth in world energy consumption between 2003 and 2030 will be by non-OECD countries, the largest of which are China, India and Russia and perhaps the M.E. itself.

If world oil consumption increases to a predicted 118 million barrels a day by 2030 from 80 million in 2003, there's a lot of refining capacity to be built. Today's oil price is funding the refinement growth of tomorrow. The investment and exploitation race is on like never before.

This will evolve into the greatest threat the West has ever faced and here lies the key to the invasion of Iraq. Not WMD, links to Al Qaeda or Saddam planning terrorist attacks or "they tried to kill my Dad". They may have been issues, but not the real issues. The West needs all the control over the M.E. it can get. So do it's economic competitors.

With Iraq occupied, we can essentially describe it, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait as Western dominated oil fields. Is it no wonder that Russia, China and India are getting tight alongside Iran and Syria. Some wild predictions suggest that Iran has more oil than S.A. No one really knows how much oil there is. That doggie in the desert window might in fact be an ant or an elephant.

The war on terror by Blue West and Red East boils down to access, trade and economics. Politics is the international language and open war is the hideous conclusion when deal making and subterfuge fails. The race is leading to a squeeze that diplomacy can only dream of subduing.

The greatest reason for the US, its allies and even it's competitors fearing a nuclear Iran is not the threat to heavily armed Israel, but the heightened danger from invading Iran and it's partners if the Gods of growth eventually feel obliged. The sooner UN sanctions can be imposed against Iran, the sooner the US can temper their competitors involvement. If sanctions are unworkable, the pressure for action builds.

The US hasn't grown to be 28% of the modern world's economy just by 'slicing bread' by machine. It also learnt how to slice nations, with a little help from it's friends. Is it soon to be another nation's turn?

Maybe the US has drawn Asia into it's debt trap deliberately. 'We'll service our fiscal debt to you and import your produce, if you let us keep control of the oil'. Bonds, US Bonds. They like the world shaken, not stirred.






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You think Islamic extremism exists because of the world's thirst for oil?....

What does Sudan have to do with this? After WWII the largest conflict to have killed the most people in recent times started in 1983 in Sudan. In the first jihad declared by the Islamic government of Sudan over 2 million people were killed, and oil had nothing to do with it...in the second Jihad to have been pronounced by the radical Islamic government of Sudan, 400,000 people were killed in 2 years and a half....

So what exactly does that have anything to do with "the world's thirst for oil"?.... nothing... Islamic extremism does not exist because of oil, it exists, and has existed for a long time.

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Oil was, is and will continue to be involved in Sudan. You categorise it as Jihad only.

From Wikipedia

"The peace...created a co-vice president position and allowed the north and south to split oil equally, but also left both the North's and South's armies in place."

The last four decades...

Since 1998

Where there is oil or even it's untapped prospect, there is so frequently war. Religion is an ancient frontispiece to the unfinished tome of commodity competition. Conquest of land brings access to resources. Religion is not the prime reason why some end up so rich and others so poor. Historically religion is what modern politics and ideology have become, a language that sucks the masses into it's own justified carnage. It takes wealth to build cities and religion's places of worship, roads, churches and mosques alike.

Yes there have been so called Islamic and Christian extremists prior to the growth of the international oil economy, but see how both have developed and have been used alongside it. 'So called' because wealth has always walked the talk more than faith or ideology. Wealth funds armies. Religion and ideology inflate fighting willpower. Economy subsumed faith and ideology unto it's purpose long ago.

Has anyone claimed Sudan has WMD? No need. It doesn't stop the energy imperative. Link

First off there are no sources for what he is saying. Second, he's a theocratic hack who has no idea of what the message of christ really means
Third, I can't believe that people actually think this is a credible find. Where are the sources, people?

THINK~ It aint illegal yet"

If anyone wanted to .. .(its a waste of time) you could destroy this man's credibility with a little research on what he is reporting. Im guessing he just heard it from someone like all theocratic messanic blowhards seem to do.


NOTICE no sources CITED at the bottom. This is as bad as Saddam's shredder which turned out to be another classic newsmax/worldnet daily paranoid fabrication.


Do any of you who obsess over Russia and Iran in a unhealthy negative prejudice know what Xenophobia is?

Let's put critical thinking back in style and let's not take Hal Lindsay's word/rumor/delusion (Whatever) because if you want to take it there are so many things this flake has got wrong. And we can go down the list....

This guy is as credible as Pete Doherty babysitting your kids with a gun and after a Heroin binge.

MRGERBIK, It kills me when people like you spew a bunch of garbage about credibilty when you clearly havent read the whole thread, mainly the post by Muaddib giving an alternative source for the very credible information, Just because someone is a christian doesnt mean that the information is bogus, If you dont accept what is being said fine-prove it, or shut up. your personal biased has no weight if you cant at least provide a little proof of what you say by giving alternative information to the contrary.

This guy is a master of deceptive biblical hustling.


How about this little fun fact:



from Wikipedia:

"On April 1, 2004, Lindsey used his WorldNetDaily column to promote the sale of shares in the Zion Oil and Gas Company, citing Biblical prophecy as a basis for suggesting that there was oil in Israel. Critics have pointed out that Lindsey failed to mention that one of the directors of Zion Oil was Ralph DeVore, a director of Lindsey's ministries, as well as his cousin. DeVore has since resigned from Zion Oil"





I still am in awe people think this man is credible with anything regarding politcs and intel. It's scary is what it is.

Mua, you have a touch of xenophobia yourself I believe. You are clearly a believer that economic/social system can be evil which in turn makes a nation evil. The way you went off the deep end ranting about someones avatar? Come on...

It's a shame because deep in that paranoid rooted mind lurks a informative well read and intelligent thinker who is caught up in a WMD. A weapon of mass distraction.
You need to leave the fear factory. Because it clearly has grabbed you and sucked you i of every fiber of your being.


Every system has setbacks and positives. It's too convenient to just rant about communism being evil and thats the diabolical plan of the rise of the communists. If anything the free trade system has destroyed our manufacturing capabilities in america and that goes under the guise of free reign capitalism. I'm sorry to say but free reign capitalism is a big part of what is destroying america currently. Not socialism or communism. And we were willing participants in helping destroy the middle class of america as well.

Chasing Shadows isn't productive afterawhile. Sooner or later you have to face the man in the mirror. The world isn't black and white. Diabolical plans are for Doctor Doom not Russia or China. Everyone is just trying to survive and maintain their existence.

While this article is clearly biased towards some nutcase's personal agenda, there is much sense in suspecting some sort of a pact being constructed between these countries, all of which can be referred to as anti-US to some extent. So far it is mostly speculation, but I would not be surprised if something is in the making here. Iran, China and Russia have alot of personal issues with each other to be real allies, but they can very likely become temporary sidekicks, because they got a common enemy. Russia and China both covertly help Iran, which is pretty much known. But it will never get to the point where either Russia or China will defend Iran.

Originally posted by the_sentinal
MRGERBIK, It kills me when people like you spew a bunch of garbage about credibilty when you clearly havent read the whole thread

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Sentinel I think you live in a myopic dreamworld that makes you think you can identify nations as evil. I think you really believe that. Do you think it's slick by far right idealogues saying "the axis"? I apologize to our fellow Russian/Syrians/ and Chinese members of ATS. You know it's sad when you are putting bug eyed conspiracy theocratic hacks as credible sources for info as actual news.

You can't disprove or prove someone is evil. This is all op-ed news and hearsay. The ad state affair of air conditioned armchair laptop jounalism is at work here. All people can have bad intentions but what Hal is saying is clearly some far right conspiracy merged with Biblical *dominionist* meanderings. And you are shucking n jiving away from the truth of how flimsy this whole piece is. You can't just generalize a whole nation as being your enemy. It's just a mockery of anything involved with logic.

And dont try to pull the christ card, because I will bat that thing away. Im not discrediting Hal because of his christian background. I side with christian theologists on alot of things. But Rapture snake oil merchants i do not. Im discrediting Hal because of his dubious background as a flaky specialist in these areas which he has christened himself as being a armchair expert.

Yet you bought it hook line and sinker and put a blue siren on it. Move this to conspiracy theories where it belongs,moderators. This holds no basis for *authentic* news it's just pundit hackery as usual masqueraded as news.


Every nation has the right to pursue nuclear technology and weapons. Let's not live in a xenophobic convulsing state of hypocrisy. India has nukes, Pakistan has nukes and Uncle sam has a boatload of nukes. Let's not be a hypocrite. Because let's remember who radiated Japan it wasn't RUssia/Syria or China,hombre.

You are just going to have to swallow and chew that foreign nations that you fear are going to have weapons that hover over your head at a whim's notice. Because guess what? So do other nations who fear us and our nuclear technology. It's so sad that you have a world view like this. It's embarassing for the west.


And these communism rants are just embarassing. It's like a viral infection. Intelligent people fall under the spell of isolationism and paranoia and cultural insecurity. Yet nothing is going to happen in fact people like yourself are going to make it worse. Because it will be a chain of fear that creates a false threat like always and a overreaction will occur of devastation and destruction. Welcome to the Fear Factory.


China/Russia and Syria count on you to make them into these imposing irrational nuclear threats. Like somehow because they have nuclear technology they are somehow less sane than the Americans. It's such a tinge of racism and ignorance as well and overall it paints a broader picture of how much the west suffers from Tunnel vision and Knee Jerk Jingoism.

You can make a threat out of anyone with some elaborate connect the dots messanic self righteous rant. Yea, he's the oracle, alright. the oracle of the asshats.
Thanks for adding more clarity to this madhatter hustler and making Hal Lindsey into a even bigger joke for Xenophobic messanic knee jerkThanks christ Nationalism than everr before. It's a nice side business too. Op Ed Fear Factory Propaganda. Hal Lindsey makes a killing on his rapture "National Enquirer" gossip.
God, I can't believe we are at this point. Critical thinking has left the building in so many places in our politics.



And Im audi 5-thou


MOVE to POLITICAL Conspiracy theories

Originally posted by Muaddib
No need to, could you tell us what your avatar means?....

Your avatar shows the Hammer and Sickle over the world, meaning Communism ruling the world, and then there is the Red Star above the world, which is also another Communist symbol, and then you "talk about capitalism wanting to take over the world"?..... Right clicking in your avatar even proves what it is all about.

As if my avatar is any indication of Russian foreign policy today. It simply represents an ideology of the past- a rather comical symbol of what would have never been. BTW I am a socialist, and I see alot of appealing points in both socialism and communism. And it is xenophobia and paranoia that breeds this hatered of everything that is not Democracy, and not Western culture.

Originally posted by Muaddib
Communism has exploited, and murdered more people around the world than Capitalism ever has... People in third world countries are "not attracted to Communism", they are attracted at the lies spread by Communism that everyone will have the same, and noone will suffer, all lies to what Communism really brings to every country. This disease, Communism, has destroyed the lives of billions of people, it supresses the individual and the human spirit.

Can you site any source that gives a number of people killed due to communism as anything near even 1 billion? Idiotic rulers like Stalin killed many people. But then there are idiotic rulers among democrats aren't there? Don't blame the idealogy or the book, blame the idiot that misinterprets it based on his own sick mind.

Originally posted by maloy
I was born in a Communist country and I saw what Communism does to the people of a country and the country itself, i went through it and your lies are not going to affect me the least. I was raised in a socialist/democratic society for 10 years, yet their immigration laws would have assured that if i stayed there, I would probably not have the electronics engineering degree i have because my parents decided to move to the United States.

Me, and my relatives lived under communism. I personally know hundreds of people who lived in Russia under communism. Neither of has too much to complain about. I posted about communism in another thread, and I am not going to list the benefits of it this is not the topic for it- but there are plenty.

Originally posted by Muaddib
There are no guarantees of anything, but democracy in a represented Republic is 1000 times better than Communism, and if you take a look at what has been happening in socialist countries, they have a lot more problems than people in the United States...

Drugs, mafia, murder, corporate crime where thousands of investors are screwed out of their money (Enron, etc)- sound like minor problems? Hundreds of celebrities vacationing on their yatchs and buying up ferraris and houses with more money that they know what to do with- while firefighters, policemen and teachers get to live on low wage and hold bake sales. How many Americans live in the ghettos? How many cannot afford college education and turn to gangs and crime. Or maybe I should mention elections, where the loser goes to the white house? Or psycho religious nutcases who preach their hate and lies to tens of millions (Pat Robertson and similar degenerates)? Oh well US must be supporting democracy around the world right? Wrong- US supports 1/2 of world's dictators, including some of the worst ones in history.

US is far from perfect, and far from being in credicle position to tell others how to live their lives.

Originally posted by Muaddib
Yeah, well, apparently you want Communism to rule over the world...so please take your lies elsewhere....

When did I say I want communism to rule over the world? I simply say that people should be open and tolerant to other ways of life and cultures. You are the one being xenophobic.

Originally posted by Muaddib
Lies?.....could you explain what you are trying to claim with that statement?...

Neither North korea, iran, or anyone else is a threat to you. You are a threat to yourself.

Originally posted by maloy
I don't have to believe anything, you proved it with your avatar.... You have the two most important symbols of Communism in your avatar, The Hammer and Sickle over the whole world, and the red star above the world....

All i see you do is try to persuade people that "there is no threat in Communism", or that the alliance between these countries have nothing to do with trying to destroy the United States economically or militarily, yet the facts prove the contrary.

Yep. Because everything I said point to communism taking over the world right? give me a break

[edit on 30-7-2006 by maloy]

Originally posted by MRGERBIK

Originally posted by the_sentinal
MRGERBIK, It kills me when people like you spew a bunch of garbage about credibilty when you clearly havent read the whole thread

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Sentinel I think you live in a myopic dreamworld that makes you think you can identify nations as evil. I think you really believe that. Do you think it's slick by far right idealogues saying "the axis"? I apologize to our fellow Russian/Syrians/ and Chinese members of ATS. You know it's sad when you are putting bug eyed conspiracy theocratic hacks as credible sources for info as actual news.

MRGERBIK, I care little for what you might think seeing that your views are slanted and biased because of your lack of caring for truth. The truth IS other sources of the same information have been provided yet you still insist on ignoring them because of your hatred for christians reporting said information. I guess you have a problem with debka also may I ask why?? False accusations and name calling only go so far eventually you'll have to produce some real proof of your rants.

Im not discrediting Hal because of his christian background. I side with christian theologists on alot of things.

You cant discredit Hal anyway unless of coarse you have the credentials to do so, Hal is recognized as a leading expert on bible prophecy and his opinion much to your dismay is held in high regard by many professionals in the news industry and has appeared Fox news as a CREDIBLE SOURCE many times, just because he says things that you dont like is no reason to bash him. besides he was just reporting what debka had put out and did a little bible comparison to the events unfolding and anyone can look at the scriptures themselves to see if what he is saying is accurate.

Every nation has the right to pursue nuclear technology and weapons. Let's not live in a xenophobic convulsing state of hypocrisy. India has nukes, Pakistan has nukes.

even if they have state sponsored terrorist???

Let's not be a hypocrite. Because let's remember who radiated Japan it wasn't RUssia/Syria or China,hombre.

lets remember who struck first (japan) was pearl harbor fair?? Is it fair that one man has a stronger arm than the other?? If one boxer is stronger than the other do we tie the stronger boxers arm back to be fair??? do we give Iran & syria nukes to be fair???hombre??

China/Russia and Syria count on you to make them into these imposing irrational nuclear threats.

China/Russia and Syria make themselves into these thing not me, as well the U.S. does also I have never said that I agree with every thing the U.S. does.

Critical thinking has left the building in so many places in our politics.

yea, we should all think like you huh. Bring something more to the table than just personal conjecture post a document discrediting debka as a source or something, everyone has opinions, backing that opinion up is sometimes more enlightening to the person with the point to prove.

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Originally posted by Mdv2

The Iranian missiles aren't capable of reaching the US. But bear in mind North Korea has close ties with Iran. What if Iran decides to give North Korea the missiles they need and don't have themselves, which have the capability of reaching the US?

Seems I am right:

www.iranfocus.com...

SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea has been working closely with Iran to develop its long-range ballistic missiles, possibly using Chinese technology, and is building large bases to prepare for their deployment, a South Korean state-run think tank said.

Communist North Korea is also building new sites near the Demilitarized Zone border for short-range missiles and is deploying missiles with improved precision that can strike most of Japan, the Institute of Foreign Affairs and National Security (IFANS) said in a report.

"The development of Taepodong-2 is conducted jointly with Iran, and it is possible China's technology is used in the development of the Taepodong-2 engine," said the IFANS report, which Reuters obtained on Thursday.

The collaboration is part of an international network, including Pakistan, that made it possible for the impoverished North to develop and deploy missiles despite scarce resources and limited testing, the study said.

North Korea fired seven missiles on July 5, including the long-range Taepodong-2, which U.S. officials said failed seconds into its flight and fell into waters between Japan and the Korean peninsula.

Christopher Hill, the top U.S. envoy to talks on the North's nuclear program, said last month one or more Iranians watched the North's missile launch, deepening concerns about the ties between two countries with troubling nuclear capabilities.

The Taepodong-2 is the product of joint efforts with Tehran, coinciding with Iran's development of the Shehab-5 and 6, and "it is highly possible that design and technology from China, which has an arms trade with Iran, were used", the report said.

The North is building a missile command base 50 km (30 miles) north of the Demilitarized Zone for as many as 30 mobile launch pads for the short-range Scud-type Hwasong missiles that can hit military and industrial targets deep in the South, IFANS said.

"With the deployment of Rodong and SSN-6 missiles and the pursuit to deploy the Taepodong-2, the North is pushing ahead with the construction of new sites and silos" on the east coast and on the border with China, the IFANS report said.

Here we go;

Hal is recognized as a leading expert on bible prophecy and his opinion much to your dismay is held in high regard by many professionals in the news industry and has appeared Fox news as a CREDIBLE SOURCE many times

#1. FOX is NOT a news network, it's a SOAP news SHOW, aka televised TABLOID.

#2. FOX is openly engaged in SHEER PROPAGANDA.

#3. I know it to be so from my personal experience.

#4. People that watch FOX for their daily news and consider it as a reputable news source consider TV wrestling as a real event, and not a staged show.

Other TV shows watched by FOX fans are COPS, Americas most wanted, ALL TV court shows, Jerry Springer, ALL Soups, and all other typical garbage.

#5. People that actually consider FOX as a news source, are simply not capable of the basic reasoning and cognitive thinking.

In other word, IDIOTS.

I'll say it again, feeble attempts to finger out and vilify economic relations between countries that do not favor US policies, is propagandized NONSENSE for SIMPLETONS to indulge in.

Please feel free to keep frolicking in this stupidity, I've done my ATS "deny ignorance" part.

Have a nice day.

Ok, I'll say that I think that the only good thing Fox has done has made the TV show 'Married with Children'.

That being said, I know that Fox news is unreliable at best, but when you compare it to the other trash 'news' stations that we have to watch for news (CNN, CNBC/MSNBC...etc.), what can we do except watch both extremes of the stupidity and find the truth somewhere in between.

You also have to remember that there is only one way to know the truth, and that is to have been there and seen it. Now I'm not going to go into the complexities involved in being everywhere at once, but needless to say we have to depend on other people for our news. During this process the news is corrupted (ever play the game telephone?).

So what should we do? Stick our heads in the ground? No. It is better we know something than nothing, eh?

Now, that being said as well. There is this thing called the Internet which skips the middle journalist and vis a vis the stupidity and corruption that happens because of the involvement of massive amounts of other people.

What news source can we trust? In my opinion, none can be trusted, merely taken into account for our lives. We can't take things for face value and people must show intelligence in determining the truth for themselves.

And I'll end my post with a quiet quote from Al Bundy: "Fox viewing positions everyone!"

Originally posted by iskander
Here we go;

Hal is recognized as a leading expert on bible prophecy and his opinion much to your dismay is held in high regard by many professionals in the news industry and has appeared Fox news as a CREDIBLE SOURCE many times

#1. FOX is NOT a news network, it's a SOAP news SHOW, aka televised TABLOID.

Alright then what about debka does it pass your stringent requirements for a worthy news source??? or how about you tell us what is a worthy news source??

"What the Carnage is really all about",, David Icke web site. the writers on this web page will tell you like it really is. This truely is a wealth of information to all....And don't forget the name Bauer, a man that adopted a different name meaning red sheild....who lives on a huge peace of European land that can only be accessed by air. That doesn't answer to any law nor of Europe or anyother country......Oh yeh his self given name is ROTHSCHILD

Aren't they the secret terrorists of Israel? And if the Hezballa are so bad ,what the "H" where 25,000 Americans doing living and socializing among them? Who are the American companies that sent them there, or what branch of the government where they working for?

China is in their little security bloc too. And there are some very interesting observing nations as well. This bloc also masquerade as the SCO, with member nations and observing nations. So China and Russia have had Iran's back the whole time Bush/UN/all that were trying to pick a fight with them. Israel attacking Gaza and Lebanon was plan B to lure Syria and Iran into war because the U.S. was failing so utterly with the diplomatic route...there's intelligence in Ahmadinejad and with the strong backing he's got, well... Also I wouldn't be surprised if Iran already has nukes or can get them in a heartbeat. Word is that China told the U.S. at the G8 that they would view as an act of war any disruption to the Strait of Hormuz as an act of war against them directly. They don't want their oil and gas cut off. Same rumor said that China also insisted the U.S. send special ops to Israel to sit on their nukes. I think Putin, Ahmadinejad, and company are outmaneuvering the U.S. and Israel and that's why Bush has lost his marbles and aged 10 years in three weeks.

(I dunno what Jesus has to do with any of this. Are the apocolypse people like everywhere? I wish they'd get off our planet already :hey

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