Iran to Join Other Nations in Alliance Against The West.

The Iranian president, MAHMOUD Ahmadinejad met with Chinese and Russian leaders to build a security group to opose the United States, and NATO. The Iranian president was invited to address a meeting of the Shangai Co-operation Organisation, which was founded by China, Russia and the Central Asian republics ten years ago to fight terrorism, religious extremism and separatism. Iran and Pakistan have been seeking full membership with the SCO. (Shangai Co-operation Organisation) The meeting was also attended by Pakistan, Afghanistan, Mongolia, India and four Central Asian former Soviet republics. A joint declaration signed by all those present, appears to back the Iranian president.



Here we have it folks, finally they are showing what the SCO is really for, all those countries which are members, or are seeking full membership on the SCO, have one goal in common as can be read from the article, and I quote..

Iranian President said that the SCO could “ward off the threats of domineering powers to use their force against and interfere in the affairs of other states”.

The rest of the nations attending this meeting, signed a joint declaration backing what the Iranian president said in the meeting.

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[edit on 19-6-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

Well, noone has made any comments as to what this is all about. Let me refresh people's memories. I will put in bold the statements which have to do with this thread in specific.

Golitsyn maintains that the goals of the master plan were to provide a more profound political stabilization of individual communist regimes by developing wider mass support, the rectification of economic weakness of the bloc by increased international trade and the acquisition of credits and high technology from the West, the creation of a substructure for an eventual world federation of communist states, political isolation of the US from its allies, developing influence among socialists in Western Europe and Japan, the dissolution of NATO, and an alignment between the Soviet Union and a neutral, preferably socialist, Western Europe; concerted action with nationalist leaders in the Third World to eliminate Western influence as a preliminary to absorbing them in a communist federation, shifting the balance of power in favor of the Communist world, and the ideological disarmament of the West to create favorable conditions for convergence of East and West on communist terms.

www.umd.umich.edu...

[edit on 19-6-2006 by Muaddib]

So does that mean Afghanistan, Pakistan and India are all in an alliance against the West too? But isnt Pakistan a staunch ally of the United States in the War on Terror? And wasnt India recently called a "strategic partner" by President Bush?

Do you have anything other than your deep seated mistrust of the Russians to base your accusation that this coalition has a nefarious purpose? Countering aggressive American foreign policy brings about balance. Left unchecked is what would lead to problems IMO.

This is really scary if it is true. I don't trust Russia at all. They are becomming weaker and weaker (especially with all the former Sovjet countries that want to join the EU) and i am sure they will become a real threath in a few years. This is a nasty country.

if this is true this is how they tell the US NO on their Nice lil peace package?

originally posted by Subz
So does that mean Afghanistan, Pakistan and India are all in an alliance against the West too? But isnt Pakistan a staunch ally of the United States in the War on Terror? And wasnt India recently called a "strategic partner" by President Bush?

You for got one Subz, am I not incorrect in reading that Al-Qaeda has threatened the Russians? Isn't it true that Iran has "concrete ties to these terrorists"? If so, this is truly the circle of life! A Coalition against The West, but some of the coalition's members are threatening the Russians over Chechnya?

There's something really wrong with this picture. I believe there is more to it than what meets the eye here. Either the U.S. is providing us with some really bad stories, or the US is not catching the drift of what's going on. There would be far too many double crossings in all of these stories once put together.

Ah yeah Iran being so cozy with Al-Qaeda would be a bit of an issue now that they've threatend Russia. Also how close exactly would Afghanistan want to be to the Russians? I would of thought forming an alliance with a country that invaded you not 20 years ago to fight a country that "liberated" you not 5 years ago is a bit strange.

Originally posted by subz
So does that mean Afghanistan, Pakistan and India are all in an alliance against the West too? But isnt Pakistan a staunch ally of the United States in the War on Terror? And wasnt India recently called a "strategic partner" by President Bush?

It appears to be so. Double crossings is nothing new in world politics. President Bush also at first said that the Russians were our partners against terrorism, but that changed, more so after intelligence was found that the Russians were providing intelligence to Saddams regime before and during the war.

Originally posted by subz
Do you have anything other than your deep seated mistrust of the Russians to base your accusation that this coalition has a nefarious purpose? Countering aggressive American foreign policy brings about balance. Left unchecked is what would lead to problems IMO.

humm, let me see, several Russian military defectors who have been warning about this, Chinese defectors who have also been talking about this.....

An armenian professor of Russian studies who has been following this for a while now....

and the fact that all of the above have been predicting, and have been right to the letter about everything that Russia, China, and the other countries which have made a proto alliance, would be doing for decades....

not only that but also the fact like for example, in the case of the war with Iraq Russia provided evidence since 9/11 and up to the beginning of the war that Saddam was planning terrorist attacks in U.S. soil, while at the same time claiming to the international community that the United States had no reason, and has committed a crime by the coalition ousting Saddam from power...

As for your reference about common enemies being the reason for your excuse to dismiss this...you obviously have not learn anything from history. There is one phrase which throughout the history of humanity has always been true. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Enemies do unite to fight their common enemies subz. This is nothing new, but you are for some reason trying to deny the fact that this has happened several times in the past and it is happening now.

Now Russia, and even China are asking for a new mayor economy, to replace the old one, and these two countries, alongside many of their allies, have been making preparations for such a "new world economy."

and a few other things.



[edit on 20-6-2006 by Muaddib]

OK Muaddib that would explain Russian interest in forming this coalition but what would India, Pakistan or Afghanistan get for joining?

India's relationship with the United States has never been stronger than it is currently. What would be their interest in joining an anti-West coalition? Arent they a member of the non-aligned group?

Pakistan's Musharaf owes his continued grasp of power to the United States. If the United States pulled their support for Musharaf he would be deposed. Pakistan is also receiving military aid directly from the United States in the form of military jets. Why would they want to join an anti-West coalition?

Afghanistan's Karzai is intimately linked to the Bush administration via connections through Unocal. His Presidency came about from direct US intervention in his country. The United States still has a major presence in Afghanistan so what would they gain from joining an anti-West coalition?

I dont doubt for one moment this group exists. I also dont doubt that they are concerned with current US foreign policy. That concern is shared amongst NATO countries as well as America's traditional allies. That a group would form with the explicit intent of curbing the excesses of American international influence does not equate to an anti-Western alliance. The US has interests that it protects with force, is that a bad thing? If not then why is it when other nations get together to protect their own?

The story you provided clearly states that the intent of the meeting was to prevent American military action against Iran by closing ranks. Preventing another middle eastern war is not the same as being anti-West, it seems pro-peace to me. Also anti-Americanism which is quoted in the article cannot be construed as anti-Western. The United States does not represent the West in its entirity, it is but one nation.

[edit on 20/6/06 by subz]

Hey Maudibb like I said in your other thread, I will be right there with you on the front lines battling for our Empire err Country. I just hope we will have the honor of serving together to die gloriously in battle! Don't let me down brother!

Ahhh, the old enemy of my enemy arguement...

there are some other quotes that might be appropriate...
"the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry...."

or Murphys law

but the thing that i note, is that for being a communist based group, they all are ready to ditch the dogma, and start selling subway sandwiches...

So take the nafarious "communist" term out of it, since the last true elements of communism can only be found on a little island ruled by a guy that just wont die, and a small country that is controlled by a real life troll figurine... and this becomes just another group of loosely affiliated grumblers that assume to much...
(loosely as in, they would be just as likely to oppose Iran, if they knew how many devious ploys Russia has put in the game here...)

I am concerned, but only if these nations dont understand that they are pawns, being played by the big three... and i give them more credit than that...
after all, they were smart enough diplomatically to associate with this up and coming power group. (diplomatically speaking of course, not literally)

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
............
So take the nafarious "communist" term out of it, since the last true elements of communism can only be found on a little island ruled by a guy that just wont die, and a small country that is controlled by a real life troll figurine...

I see, so I guess the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) is not in control of China anymore...

About Russia, I really don't understand how some people don't see the scam that the supposed fall of Communism in Russia was. You still have the same players that were in power in the past, when "everyone knew Russia was Communist", you also have a KGB agent as the president in Russia, and one of the figures who was supposed to have played a part on Russia not being Communist has been known for saying a few years back that he would always be a Communist and he would never change. Not to mention that the supposed Communist coup was almost bloodless, and at least one of those generals that were part of the coup, is living happily ever after, and free in Russia after the money and medals that Saddam gave him and other Russian ex-officials, for helping Saddam with the upcoming battle against the United States...

Oh yeah, but I forgot, Communism is dead right?.....

Why even stop tehre Lazarus? why don't you go along with U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer claiming that Communism doesn't exist aywhere anymore?....

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
and this becomes just another group of loosely affiliated grumblers that assume to much...
(loosely as in, they would be just as likely to oppose Iran, if they knew how many devious ploys Russia has put in the game here...)

I am concerned, but only if these nations dont understand that they are pawns, being played by the big three... and i give them more credit than that...
after all, they were smart enough diplomatically to associate with this up and coming power group. (diplomatically speaking of course, not literally)

What a coincidence that everything this group has done and what they appear to be planning has been predicted by Russian and Chinese defectors... It must be coincidence that time and again everything they said about the master plan has come to pass.

[edit on 20-6-2006 by Muaddib]

Hey dib...
we are really on the same page, i just am looking at the overall, while you are concentrating on the specific...

I beleive totally that the plan was to trick us into thinking it was dead...
(the Sorcha Faul theory) but best laid plans...

Communism IS dead, because the lie of it being dead killed it...
(wasn't in the plan, but happened)
once freedom is out of the box, only a huge terrorist attack, a complacent populace and a tyrant leader can put it back in...

Russia and China both have a problem, if they decide to push for the communist return...
I say return, because China has lost it without even noticing... the internet snuck in, and delivered free thought... and now, the overwhelming desire of the chinese people is to "have" where it used to be "to supply"....
cant really blame them, since they have fallen under the same problem that USSR had...
the rules/money weren't the same for everyone... and any time that is the case, revolution/change occurs eventually...

China is afraid to death of another farmer revolution, and will tolerate capitalism to the point that it gives everyone hope... they have to...

It is for that reason that i dont have much fear from this...
I dont see it as the cumulnation of the long range plan
rather, a last ditch hail mary pass into the endzone... without a reciever that was intended to be there...
but they have fans to cheer... lots of fans...
everyone loves an underdog...

The American paranoia towards Russia is never ending. Its very frustrating to watch the politics play out. It's also too bad as the United States and Russia could have become great allies not too long ago.

When the U.S.S.R. fell a part, the potential for America to swoop in and help pick up the pieces was sitting there for the taking. A little short term investment for long term gain would have made the two great superpowers the alliance to end all alliances. Unfortunately the government took a stand-offish approach and allowed American companies to profiteer at the expense of the suffering Russian people. Sadly, one of the greatest opportunities to solve many American problems in recent history went by the wayside. That opportunity was to help the Russians with their burgeoning oil export economy and become their larget customer. If the United States had displayed any foresight what so ever, they would have taken this opportunity to get off of middle eastern oil, converted the Russians to the "American way of life", and hooked them into our economic system when they are too dependent on use to war against us. Huge missed opportunity that set the two powers in different directions.

To make matters worse, our President has been as uncooperative as anyone can imagine and has forced countries to choose sides. This has forced Russia and China on the same side, and sees India willing to align with their long time ally (Russia). I don't care what technical advantage we have, the Russians and Chinese outgun us in nukes and their conventional forces numbers are nothing to sniff at. Add in the Indians and it becomes even scarier. Too bad our President have the brains to play nice with the other kids. It would be much nicer to have the Russians on our side. But that's the American way. We "always" have to have an enemy to worry about.

Originally posted by subz
Ah yeah Iran being so cozy with Al-Qaeda would be a bit of an issue now that they've threatend Russia. Also how close exactly would Afghanistan want to be to the Russians? I would of thought forming an alliance with a country that invaded you not 20 years ago to fight a country that "liberated" you not 5 years ago is a bit strange.

And, pray tell, what are these supposed ties between Iran and Al Qaeda? Makes no sense. AQ are Wahhabi Sunni's, whereas Iran is fundamentalist Shia. It's like the IRA and the UDF forming an alliance

Originally posted by stumason
And, pray tell, what are these supposed ties between Iran and Al Qaeda? Makes no sense. AQ are Wahhabi Sunni's, whereas Iran is fundamentalist Shia. It's like the IRA and the UDF forming an alliance

I was being sarcastic, some one needs to invent a sarcasm font Any one who's read anything I have written on here knows I think Al-Qaeda is a CIA/Mossad operation.

The Iconoclast, that was a great post. I like your thoughts, please keep sharing them

[edit on 20/6/06 by subz]

Originally posted by subz

Originally posted by stumason
And, pray tell, what are these supposed ties between Iran and Al Qaeda? Makes no sense. AQ are Wahhabi Sunni's, whereas Iran is fundamentalist Shia. It's like the IRA and the UDF forming an alliance

I was being sarcastic, some one needs to invent a sarcasm font

Any one who's read anything I have written on here knows I think Al-Qaeda is a CIA/Mossad operation.

My bad ... I actually mistook you for Shots, sorry .. I always get you guys mixed up until i read your posts...

Originally posted by stumason
My bad

... I actually mistook you for Shots, sorry

.. I always get you guys mixed up until i read your posts...

ROFL! I was going to say no harm, no foul...but Shots? He's like the anti-subz

No worries hehe

Originally posted by subz
ROFL! I was going to say no harm, no foul...but Shots? He's like the anti-subz

No worries hehe

Yeah, I know.... sorry.....

Originally posted by The Iconoclast
The American paranoia towards Russia is never ending. Its very frustrating to watch the politics play out. It's also too bad as the United States and Russia could have become great allies not too long ago.

When the U.S.S.R. fell a part, the potential for America to swoop in and help pick up the pieces was sitting there for the taking. A little short term investment for long term gain would have made the two great superpowers the alliance to end all alliances. Unfortunately the government took a stand-offish approach and allowed American companies to profiteer at the expense of the suffering Russian people. Sadly, one of the greatest opportunities to solve many American problems in recent history went by the wayside. That opportunity was to help the Russians with their burgeoning oil export economy and become their larget customer. If the United States had displayed any foresight what so ever, they would have taken this opportunity to get off of middle eastern oil, converted the Russians to the "American way of life", and hooked them into our economic system when they are too dependent on use to war against us. Huge missed opportunity that set the two powers in different directions.

To make matters worse, our President has been as uncooperative as anyone can imagine and has forced countries to choose sides. This has forced Russia and China on the same side, and sees India willing to align with their long time ally (Russia). I don't care what technical advantage we have, the Russians and Chinese outgun us in nukes and their conventional forces numbers are nothing to sniff at. Add in the Indians and it becomes even scarier. Too bad our President have the brains to play nice with the other kids. It would be much nicer to have the Russians on our side. But that's the American way. We "always" have to have an enemy to worry about.

= truth