what is up with "white nationalism"?

White nationalism is a misnomer. Can you show me the nation of white? No? Than how can you be a nationalist?

White is a common term for Caucasian of European extraction. there are many countries and ethnic groups in Europe, who are all classed as "white" yet there has never been national unity amongst any of them. In fact, last time I checked, until recently, all those white people have been butchering each other senseless for the past 4,000 years. They even fight amongst their own little ethnic groups!

So any white nationalism is really a joke. they claim to celebrate their common white brotherhood. Dont any of these idiots study history beyond the third reich to know if they were really nationalists, then the German skinhead would be plundering his French "brother's" house and burning it to the ground.

Whites have no common history.

And for that matter, niether do blacks. African was a huge mosaic and still is of so many tribes and ethnic groups who were killing each other senseless long before whitey showed up.

Nationalism based on the broad category of race is pointless and really stupid.

But, thats homo sapiens for ya!

There is groups like this in every race. Not to sound racists but why do we never see any threads condeming the opposite sideof the coin, like the 'Black Panthers' I consider them to be a extreamist group much the same as the BNP or others. Even Tupac, who's mother was in a powerfull position in the 'Panthers', hated what they did. I just dont like the way its 'white' this and 'white' that, they were/are just a raceist as the white supremasists(sp). I hate the way whites are blamed for everything racist today, its like we turn a blind eye to everything else.

well, the black people kind of were the ones enslaved by the white people...
that kind of explains it a bit, right?

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
well, the black people kind of were the ones enslaved by the white people...
that kind of explains it a bit, right?

So that basicly gives them the right to form terror groups like the Panthers hey, no. Two wrongs dont make it right. If that group wants to conduct it self like it did/does (google serch) then it should be held in the same regard as the BNP, wether the were enslaved or not.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
well, the black people kind of were the ones enslaved by the white people...
that kind of explains it a bit, right?

Thats a common misconception. All we did was buy slaves off an already large and profitable slave industry that had been going on for Millenia.

It was the Africans themselves that enslaved other Africans (usually of the "other" tribe they had just fought a war with).

And who today dares mention the White slave trade?

Though at least a proportion of them are better described as privateers, the Barbary pirates operated out of Tunis, Tripoli, Algiers, Salè and ports in Morocco, preying on shipping in the western Mediterranean Sea from the time of the Crusades as well as on ships on their way to Asia around Africa until the early 19th century. Their stronghold was along the stretch of northern Africa known as the Barbary Coast (a medieval term for the Maghreb after its Berber inhabitants), although their predation was said to extend as far north as Iceland, and south along West Africa's Atlantic seaboard. As well as preying on shipping, raids were often made on European coastal towns. The pirates were responsible for capturing large numbers of Christian slaves from Western Europe, who were sold in slave markets in places such as Morocco. Sultan Moulay Ismail had a very substantial palace/fortification built almost entirely by Christian slave labour obtained through the actions of Barbary pirates.

No one, as it is brushed under the carpet as if it didn't happen, to make the "white" man appear like he is solely responsible for an industry that has been going on since the dawn of time. If anything, it is the Arab population of Africa than benefited most from the trade in ALL slaves, so if you need to blame anybody, then blame them.

Who was the first to ban slavery? The "white" man. Who still practices slavery? The "black" man. You work it out....

I, for one, make a practice of beating up racists. Nothing makes me happier than hurting these pieces of crap. We should all go out and start a fight with the next guy we hear dropping the N-bomb, or calling someone a spic. I do, and you would be surprised how long you can get away with it so long as you dont hospitalize someone. If every closeminded idiot realized that someone might knock his teeth out for muttering a racist comment, I bet they would keep their mouths shut.
Try it. Even if you get your ass kicked you will be a hero. Dont start an arguement, just swing. You wouldnt imagine how many of these nazis are wimps that go down in a single punch.

And Pickle, go read some info on the BPP before you call them terrorists or whatever. They should be our heroes. An uncompromising quest for freedom and equality is NOT racism. Afeni Shakur was a saint. Read a book that wasnt edited by Uncle Sam from this era of our history.

You will end up crippled or dead with an attitude like that DaFunk13. We all hate biggots here, so there's no need to bow up. One thing that I have noticed, is that black people use the "N" word more than white people. It's that "Black" subculture that makes everybody think that most African-Americans are so stupid and obnoxious. It's a shame, really. Segregation ended decades ago.

[edit on 12-1-2006 by Dissension]

I mean saying the N word in a destructive way. It IS just a word. I can call myself a cracker, or a honkey in jest, but I would be offended of a black guy said this out of spite.
I would rather take some lumps than turn the other cheek man, but thats just me.

And you mean the black subculture that MTV and everyone else advocates? Who is in charge of pushing this mindstate of ignorance, and violence? Did all the Blacks band together and decide that they would put people like 50 Cent at the forefront?
It makes me sick to see this is becomming the face of black culture, but I blame whitey. The black man is the most immitated person on the planet.

Not everyone who speaks with some slang, uses handshakes that are unfamiliar, or might be a little quick to act is an ignorant thug.
"Its the only culture I've got. Hip hop and comic books was my Genesis."

Originally posted by DaFunk13
I mean saying the N word in a destructive way. It IS just a word. I can call myself a cracker, or a honkey in jest, but I would be offended of a black guy said this out of spite.
I would rather take some lumps than turn the other cheek man, but thats just me.

Cool. That makes more sense. I agree with you about the way a word is said. I misunderstood your post. My bad. Peace.

Originally posted by DaFunk13
And Pickle, go read some info on the BPP before you call them terrorists or whatever. They should be our heroes. An uncompromising quest for freedom and equality is NOT racism. Afeni Shakur was a saint. Read a book that wasnt edited by Uncle Sam from this era of our history.

I have read a book, it was a tupac biography, in which he whole hartedly comdems there actions. I agree with what they were/are trying to do, just not the way they did it. Why dont you read something that is also unbiased. I can't take anyone seriously that condones violence, or is that why you agree with them, they go along with your mindset.

Read this link:

Black Panthers used TNT, and killed a Police man.

Also most of the members left and joind the Black Liberation Army, which by the way were an actual Terrorist groupe.

BLA

The police confrontations and internal fractionalization severely limited the Black Panthers' operational capabilities. In the late 1960s and early 1970s, the Black Panthers leadership fled the country or went into hiding within the U.S. There were a series of high-profile airline hijackings; Black Panthers forced planes to Cuba, Algeria and North Korea, where they requested political asylum.
MIPT

Im sorry but they were/are crimminals who would use any force to get there goals, which combined with arming there members, and advocating violence makes them terrorists.

terrorism
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Answers.com

That my freind is the defanition of a terrorist. Which makes both of these groups, as well as the white supremasists, terrorists

I simply call it "White Man's Disease". The white male is now under the realization that they are not the dominant force in society they once were. Most of it is pure jealousy, ignorance, and just plain hate. They revel against anyone and anything of color that is taking there precious place away from them.

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
I simply call it "White Man's Disease". The white male is now under the realization that they are not the dominant force in society they once were. Most of it is pure jealousy, ignorance, and just plain hate. They revel against anyone and anything of color that is taking there precious place away from them.

Care to site your sources? Where did you find this gem of information? I'd like to know more about the mind of the white man.

Care to site your sources? Where did you find this gem of information? I'd like to know more about the mind of the white man.

My sources? I hear it in conversation everyday. If you'd like to know more about the mind of the white man I'll be happy to help.

he White Man’s Disease
God that is an extremely ugly term! Unfortunately it is also a White Supremeist term. A term that I have not heard (thankfully) for a long time
The White Man’s Disease
Read this link if you want more info on just what that term means. Warning you may leave the site with an IQ in the single digits. You also may experience extreme nausea.

Well...there are a lot of things on here that I disagree with and I guess that is to be expected. These threads always bug me a little. Still, being Saphronia, I always gotta add my two cents.

So far as the Black Panther Party (then, not now). It was basically a reactionary organization, meaning it was formed in reaction to the unfair treatment that the United States subjected it's black citizenry to through laws and whatever means at their disposal. While, I believe the BPP are true american heros that fought for civil and natural rights of black people in this country, I can see where some folk would disagree...they were socialist and they did spend alot of time defending themselves from the police.

I just go back to Fred Hampton and I would encourage you Picklewalsh to look him up. The man was only 21 years old when as he slept next to his pregnant wife the police bust up into his bedroom at 2 o'clock in the morning shooting all to supposedly serve a warrant. They killed him and nearly killed his wife and unborn child. His name was FRED HAMPTON. I get a lil misty eyed on that because if he died for anything he died for the freedom of black peoples in this country. Gotta respect the BPP, an organization that wasn't anti anything but oppression. They joined with the American Indian Movement (AIM) and with the anti-war movement, all socialist, by the way.

Tis all I have to add to this discussion for now. I will address the African slave trade later...maybe I'll just find one of my old post and copy--paste with a link, the "africans did it" defense to slavery is so old and tired...I think I may have a dozen post debunking it.

I just go back to Fred Hampton and I would encourage you Picklewalsh to look him up.

Thank you i will look him up.

I think that people have took what i have said the wrong way, probably due to the way i said it. I have no problem with what they were trying to do, just the way they did it. I whole hartedly support equal rights, just not when it is forced by violence, as this causes resentment throughout the races.

But i do stress that every race has sufferd racism of some sorts, in any form. This is unaceptible wether it is white on black or any other way, but i do not belive in this so called 'white mans disease', and i think this in itself is a disgusting racist remark.

Originally posted by DaFunk13
And you mean the black subculture that MTV and everyone else advocates? Who is in charge of pushing this mindstate of ignorance, and violence? Did all the Blacks band together and decide that they would put people like 50 Cent at the forefront?
It makes me sick to see this is becomming the face of black culture, but I blame whitey. The black man is the most immitated person on the planet.

Not everyone who speaks with some slang, uses handshakes that are unfamiliar, or might be a little quick to act is an ignorant thug.
"Its the only culture I've got. Hip hop and comic books was my Genesis."

Do you actualy realise how racist you actualy are yourself, i do not belive you to be any better then these 'skin heads'. That statement above shows me how ignorent you actualy are. Racism is not acceptible in any form, and is not just a 'Black' problem.

So this will be my last post to you, as i cant take you seriously when you blantently use racist language. Which also is in breach of the ATS ToS and could result in your banning (and should).

Some of the discussion in this thread serves to illustrate why racism is still a problem.

Most serious intellects have been given ample reason to reject ideas of racial supremacy at this point, yet racism persists in a reactionary form. It's a form to which almost everyone succombs at some point- you, me, the preacher at your local church- very few exceptions, if any, in my personal experience.

Reactionary racism is so dangerous because it does not require quite the same depth of stupidity to embrace. Rather than operating on lies of superiority and institutionalized disdain, it operates on an "us and them" point of view, and isn't necessarily defeated by the understanding that racial identification is not all inclusive.

This kind of racism can be even be shared between two people of different colors. It sounds kinda like, "I mean look at you, you're cool, your family earns their keep- what the heck is wrong with those other guys over there though?" or "I try not to be like that, I'm not a racist or anything, but that group over there is doing something wrong, and it ticks me off". You end up with people who hate their own race, people who selectively embrace people of other races they whom they know while lumping together everyone they don't know, etc.

It's not an easy problem to overcome, because these "us and them" issues often relate to policy which is going to have to be resolved in one direction or another.
For example, we're either going to stop illegal immigration or not, and either decision is going to feed one side of the "us and them" mentality, making somebody feel like they've been cheated.

We can't make these issue go away really, but we don't have to see them as cause for adversarial relations between two races. For the purposes of the example above, it's important to realize how relatively few of the Mexicans you encounter are illegal immigrants, or even first generation immigrants at all. We also have to realize that even though some substantial portion of the issue may affect one group, that group isn't the whole problem. You've got to ask yourself, would I have as much animosity towards a German who overstayed his visa?


This us and them stuff about "ALL of you enslaved ALL of us", "ALL of you are constantly demanding handouts from ALL of us", "ALL of you are making ALL of us pick fruit but don't want us to be citizens", "ALL of you are illegals and are stealing from ALL of us"- it's counter productive, we know that, and yet at some level I believe most people are vulnerable to it.

It might as well be a mob war- who cares who struck first, who cares who was right to start with, if anyone. We're opening ourselves up to problems far bigger than the ones we're fighting to get our way on in the first place.

Vengeance, bitterness, rationalizations- we'd do ourselves a big favor to set that aside and simply focus on the issues of contention in isolation from the sentiments of the people affected.
Whether or not the demographics shift, who feels like their ancestors got a bad shake- seems to me that these abstract matters ought to be secondary to what best preserves the interests of us all by virtue of our shared interest in the wellbeing of our nation.

I'm happen to be white, and I'm more or less a nationalist- but my nation is the United States, not the united white dudes. The us and them thing gnaws at me obviously- it's easy to get defensive when the talking heads tell me that the brown people are out to get the white people- but I try to ask myself the relevant questions before I do anything stupid at their urging.