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Originally posted by Street Scholar
That's some doublethink if I've ever seen it ... we destroy lives to make better lives. Very Orwellian.
posted by djohnsto77 Leaving Iraq now would be tantamount to giving up in the war against the Third Reich and the Empire of Japan. The effect on the future of this country and the world would be absolutely devestating.
posted by umwolves123 i can understand that there is no tangible items to gain. Other then facism, nazism, racism, and communism war hasnt solved anything.
Come on man we're not there for tangible items, We're there to make a better life for other people!
Originally posted by pavil
Originally posted by slank
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Logic dictates leaving Iraq now.
There is no tangible productive result of the Iraq invasion.
STOP putting an American's face and ID on the inevitable violence in Iraq.
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What is the logic of leaving right now? Who will fill the power vacuum? Iran? Syria? Turkey? Just let the Iraqis have a Civil War? I contend that leaving now would cause more chaos than you envision. There are other players and forces at work in Iraq other than the US.
I can think of a few direct and indirect results from our action in Iraq.
First off indirectly, there has not been an attack "yet" on American soil.
Directly, Saddam Hussein and his Baathist/Sunni dominated party are no longer in power. Please tell the Kurds and the Shiites in Iraq that is not a direct result of our actions.
Libya has abandoned its plans for weapons of mass destruction.
Those are just a few.
As for your "inevitable violence in Iraq", is not trying to develop a government in Iraq that is truly representative of the population a worthwile goal to achieve. True the Iraqis themselves must implement it but to offer no assistance other than "let them kill themselves", as you imply is truly disturbing. Would it suit you better if it was UN peacekeeping forces that were in Iraq helping to rebuild Iraq. What if they were being attacked by insurgents as well. I have news for you, the forces that we are engaged with now RAN the UN out of Iraq with one bombing. If not the Coalition Forces then who? Please tell me who should be there to ensure that Iraq has a chance to succeed.
Originally posted by cargo
I have thought this for a long time, but never said anything. I severely doubt any of you warmongers give 2 craps about the Iraqis.
Originally posted by umwolves123
i am not a war monger and as mostly everyone here knows i was a US Marine for 6 years, i give 2 craps about them...i'd like to give them all a better life. that's what we are doing now. working to achieve a better life for them. [/quote
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How is that? How exactly are you providing a better life for them? Firstly, who gave you the right to decide what was right, let alone right for someone else?
I am truly very sad for the race when people are so easily fooled and blinded by patriotism. Saddam was nothing, he was barely noticeable, and if it wasn't for what he has lying under the ground, no one would have heard from him. Stop acting like he was the next Hitler or Stalin - He was grounded, surrounded, and under heavy watch - so he wasn't a threat to the international community. The actual Iraqi's were not treated great by our standards, but they also weren't caught in the middle of a civil war. They weren't being attacked directly and indirectly byu both sides of a war they never asked for. At least under Saddam the "good" and "bad" were clearly seen and known, now everything is "bad", and nothing is truly known with all these bombings. None of this should be a shock as it is clearly comman sense.
Maybe the War against Iraqi is about Oil, or maybe it is about Opec's considering the Euro as a base, or maybe it is because the Bush family has a hate on for Saddam? Maybe it is none of these, or all of them , but one thing is definately for sure - it is certainly NOT for the average Iraqi's. The US government hardly does anything for its' own citizens which it is required to do - doing something for the citizens of another country merely out of the goodness of their heart?
Originally posted by cargo
I have thought this for a long time, but never said anything. I severely doubt any of you warmongers give 2 craps about the Iraqis.
Originally posted by Frosty
Well, we can always go back to UN sanctions and put the civilian death toll at about 5k per moth if that sounds better to you?
Originally posted by svenglezz
Some of the comments on here are making me SICK.
We got real problem in IRAQ and the situation is getting worse.
And for people on here to critisise the Mother of a dead soldiar is MORE sick,
She def. paid a price and made a sacrafice.....she lost her SON. what more can she lose....so I support her and her cause....and the President ignores her....even while the "putts" is on Vacation at his ranch.....Maybe she should do what they do in Iraq....drive thru' the gates and run over there children....then after say is was an accident and offer some cash.
Just getting sick and tired of this BOGUS war.