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A staff meeting was called on how to deal with the situation. A major recovery operation at the ranch was ordered, which is alluded to in the Ramey message when it mentions new finds, including victims, "NEAR OPERATION AT THE 'RANCH'"
A military cordon was also set up to seal off the area, particularly north of Roswell along highway 285, blocking all access roads to the west. This cordon is likewise mentioned in the Ramey memo. "A 'DISK'" was the "NEXT NEW FIND WEST OF THE CORDON."
(8) My father knew the territory, all its roads, and many of the people very well, so two or three days later (definitely not the next day), he decided to look for the object. He took me with him in our old flatbed truck. We headed north through Roswell on U.S. 285. About 19 miles north of town, where the highway crosses the Macho Draw, we saw at least one uniformed soldier stationed beside the road. As we drove along, we saw more sentries and Army vehicles. They were stationed at all places -- ranch roads, crossroads, etc.--where there was access to leave the highway and drive east or west, and they were armed, some with rifles, others with sidearms. I do not remember seeing any military activity on the ranchland beyond the highway right of way.
(9) We stopped at one sentry post, and my father asked a soldier what was going on. The soldier, who's attitude was very nice, just said his orders were not to let anyone leave 285 and go into the countryside.
(10) As we drove north, we saw that the Corona road (State 247), which runs west from Highway 285, was blocked by soldiers. We went on as far as Ramon, about nine miles north of the 247 intersection. There were sentries there, too. At Ramon we turned around and head south and home.
(11) I remember my father saying he thought the Army was looking for something it had tracked on its way down. He may have gotten this from the soldier he spoke with during our drive up 285, but I am not sure.
(12) I also recall that two neighbors, both now dead, stopped by and told my father they had seen the same object we had seen. One said others in his family had seen it too. There were many rumors about flying saucers that summer, and I recall the weather balloon story, explaining away the report of a flying saucer crash near Corona. This seemed reasonable to us at the time.
(8) Colonel William H. ("Butch") Blanchard, commander of RAAF and its 509th Bomb Group, was a good friend of mine. We often got together for a drink and off the record discussions of base-town relations and the like. After the flying saucer incident, I tried several times to get Blanchard to tell me the real story, but he repeatedly refused to talk about it.
(9) About three or four months after the event, when we were a bit more "relaxed" than usual, I tried again. Blanchard reluctantly admitted he had authorized the press release. Then, as best I remember, he said, "I will tell you this and nothing more. The stuff I saw, I've never seen anyplace else in my life." That was all he would say, and he never told me anything else about the matter,
Rickett remembered seeing only the foil-like debris and mentioned its peculiar characteristics of unusual lightness and strength. He also said, "There wasn't very much of it, maybe 40 or 50 small pieces." – Pflock
"The MP's, four or five in the first group, were close to the gouge. There were 25 or 30 others scattered around the perimeter. The Provost Marshall didn't want anyone just wandering up on it." – Master Sergeant Lewis Rickett, Randle and Schmidt interview
(1) My name is Arthur R. McQuiddy
(2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX
(3) I am employed as: __________________________________,( ) retired
(4) In July 1947, I was editor of the Roswell Morning Dispatch, one of the
two newspapers here at the time. In 1948, I left the paper to become public relations director of the New Mexico Oil and Gas Association and later joined U.S. Stell as director of media relations. About eleven years ago I returned to Roswell after retiring as senior vice president for corporate relations at International Harvester.
(5) Just before noon one day early in July 1947, Walter Haut, the public relations officer at Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF), brough a press release to me in the Dispatch office. The release said a crashed flying saucer had een found, taken to RAAF, and sent on to another base.
(6) Haut had been to the two local radio stations, KGFL and KSWS, before coming to the Dispatch, so I gave him a bad time about that. Haut said the base policy was to rotate who got releases first to make sure everyone got a ir shake. We were a morning apper, so our edition for that day had long since hit the street, but I was disappointed at not being able to break the story on the Associated Press wire. George Walsh, the program manager at KSWS, had already moved the story on AP.
(7) Not long after Haut left, a call came from RAAF. The caller said the release was incorrect, that what had been though to be the wreckage of a flying saucer was actually the remains of a radiosonde balloon. However, the AP wire story had gotten the world's attention. I spent the rest of the afternoon taking long distance calls from overseas news editors. I remember calls from Rome, London, Paris, and Hong Kong.
(8) Colonel William H. ("Butch") Blanchard, commander of RAAF and its 509th Bomb Group, was a good friend of mine. We often got together for a drink and off the record discussions of base-town relations and the like. After the flying saucer incident, I tried several times to get Blanchard to tell me the real story, but he repeatedly refused to talk about it.
(9) About three or four months after the event, when we were a bit more "relaxed" than usual, I tried again. Blanchard reluctantly admitted he had authorized the press release. Then, as best I remember, he said, "I will tell you this and nothing more. The stuff I saw, I've never seen anyplace else in my life." That was all he would say, and he never told me anything else about the matter,
(10) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection.
Signed: Arthur R. McQuiddy
Oct. 19, 1993
Signature witnessed by:
Charlotte Y. Gipson, 10-19-93
"Roswell, N.M. The army air forces here today announced a flying disk had been found on a ranch near Roswell and is in army possession."
It said that Lt. Warren Haught [sic], public information officer of Roswell field, announced the object had been found "sometime last week." And the story also said the object had been sent on "to higher headquarters."
DXR (Denver UP Office) 54
MORE FLYING DISC (DXR53)
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THE INTELLIGENCE OFFICE REPORTS THAT IT GAINED POSSESSION OF THE
"DIS:" THROUGH THE COOPERATION OF A ROSWELL RANCHER AND SHERIFF
GEORGE WILSON OF ROSWELL.
THE DISC LANDED ON A RANCH NEAR ROSWELL SOMETIME LAST WEEK. NOT
HAVING PHONE FACILITIES, THE RANCHER, WHOSE NAME HAS NOT YET BEEN
OBTAINED, STORED THE DISC UNTIL SUCH TIME AS HE WAS ABLE TO
CONTACT THE ROSWELL SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN TURN NOTIFIED A MAJOR OF THE 509TH
INTELLIGENCE OFFICE.
ACTION WAS TAKEN IMMEDIATELY AND THE DISC WAS PICKED UP AT THE
RANCHER'S HOME AND TAKEN TO THE ROSWELL AIR BASE. FOLLOWING
EXAMINATION, THE DISC WAS FLOWN BY INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS IN A SUPER-
FORTRESS TO AN UNDISCLOSED "HIGHER HEADQUARTERS."
THE AIR BASE HAS REFUSED TO GIVE DETAILS OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE DISC
OR OF ITS APPEARANCE.
RESIDENTS NEAR THE RANCH ON WHICH THE DISC WAS FOUND REPORTED
SEEING A STRANGE BLUE LIGHT SEVERAL DAYS AGO ABOUT THREE O'CLOCK IN
THE MORNING.
J241P 7/8
(1) My name is Robert Shirkey
(2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX
(3) I am ( ) retired ( ) employed as: __________________________________
(4) In July 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air field with the rank of 1st Lieutenant. I served as the assistant flight safety officer and was assigned to base operations for the 509th Bomb Group.
(5) During that period, the call a B-29 ready to go as soon as possible. Its destination was to be Fort Worth, on orders from the base commander, Col. Blanchard. I was in the Operations Office when Col. Blanchard arrived. He asked if the aircraft was ready. When he was told it was, Blanchard waved to somebody, and approximately five people came in the front door, down the hallway and on to the ramp to climb into the airplane, carrying parts of what I heard was the crashed flying saucer.
(6) At this time, I asked Col. Blanchard to turn sideways so I could see what was going on. I saw them carrying what appeared to be pieces of metal; there was one piece that was 18 x 24 inches, brushed stainless steel in color. I also saw what was described by another witness as an I-beam and markings.
(7) Several days later, a B-25 was scheduled to take something to Ft. Worth. This was the second flight during this period: the third was a B-29 piloted by Oliver W. "Pappy" Henderson directly to Wright-Patterson.
(8) I learned later that a Sergeant and some airmen went to the crash site and swept up everything, including bodies. The bodies were laid out in Hanger 84. Henderson's flight contained all that material.
(9) All of those involved--the Sergeant of the Guards, all of the crewmen, and myself--were shipped out to different bases within two weeks.
(10) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection.
Signed: Robert Shirkey
30 April 1991
Signature witnessed by:
Lupe V. Sandoval
(1) My name is Robert R. Porter
(2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX
(3) I am (X) retired ( ) employed as: __________________________________
(4) In July 1947, I was a Master Sergeant in the U.S. Army Air Force, stationed at Roswell, New Mexico. I was a flight engineer. My job entailed taking care of the engines in flight, maintaining weight and balance, and I was responsible for fuel management. We mostly flew B-29s.
(5) On this occasion, I was a member of the crew which flew parts of what we were told was a flying saucer to Fort Worth. The people on board included: Lt. Col. Payne Jennings, the Deputy Commander of the base; Lt. Col. Robert I. Barrowclough; Maj. Herb Wunderlich; and Maj. Jesse Marcel. Capt. William E. Anderson said it was from a flying saucer. After we arrived, the material was transferred to a B-25. I was told they were going to Wright Field in Dayton, Ohio.
(6) I was involved in loadng the B-29 with the material, which was wrapped in packages with wrapping paper. One of the pieces was triangle-shaped, about
2 1/2 feet across the bottom. The rest were in small packages, about the size of a shoe box. The brown paper was held with tape.
(7) The material was extremely lightweight. When I picked it up, it was just like picking up an empty package. We loaded the triangle-shaped package and three shoe box-sized packages into the plane. All of the packages could have fit into the trunk of a car.
(8) After we landed at Fort Worth, Col Jennings told us to take care of maintenance of the plane and that after a guard was posted, we could eat lunch. When we came back from lunch, they told us they had transferred the material to a B-25. They told us the material was a weather balloon, but I'm certain it wasn't a weather balloon. I think the government should let the people know what's going on.
(9) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my recollection.
Signed: Robert R. Porter
June 7, 1991
Signature witnessed by:
Ruth N. Ford 6/7/91
"The war department in Washington had nothing to say immediately about the reported find."
FRR (Sante Fe UP Office) 8
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ROSWELL, NEW MEXICO---THE INTELLIGENCE OFFICE OF THE 509TH BOMB
GROUP OF THE ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE REPORTS THAT IT HAS RECEOVERED A
"FLYING DISC" AND THAT IT IS BEING FLOWN IN A SUPERFORTRESS TO
"HIGHER HEADQUARTERS" FOR STUDY.
ARMY OFFICIALS AT THE ROSWELL BASE WILL NOT DISCLOSE THE LOCATION
OF THE "HIGHER HEADQUARTERS."
SHERIFF GEORGE WILCOX (CORRECT) OF ROSWELL WAYS THAT THE DISC WAS
FOUND ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO BY A RANCHER BY THE NAME OF W. W. BRIZELL
ON THE FOSTER RANCH NEAR CORONA, ABOUT 75 MILES NORTHWEST OF ROSWELL
NEAR THE CENTER OF NEW MEXICO.
SHERIFF WILCOX SAYS THE RANCHER DOES NOT HAVE A TELEPHONE, AND
THAT HE DID NOT REPORT FINDING THE DISC UNTIL DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY.
SHERIFF WILCOX SAYS THAT BRIZELL SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
IT WAS, BUT THAT AT FIRST IT APPEARED TO BE A WEATHER METER. (Note that this is after Brazel was in military custody, and the Sheriff was well aware of this military custody)
HOWEVER, OFFICIALS AT THE ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE WERE NOTIFIED,
AND AN OFFICER AND AN ENLISTED MAN CAME TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE
TO CLAIM THE OBJECT. (Thus we have press confirmation of debris being taken to the Sheriff’s office)
SHERIFF WILCOX QUOTES BRIZELL AS SAYING THAT "IT MORE OR LESS
SEEMED LIKE TINFOIL." WILCOX SAYS THAT BRIZELL SAID THAT THE DIXC
WAS BROKEN SOME, APPARENTLY FROM THE FALL. THE SHERIFF SAYS THAT BRIZELL
DESCRIBED THE OBJECT (large piece of debris, remember that an intact craft wasn’t found at the Brazel site) ABOUT AS LARGE AS A SAFE IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. HE ADDED THAT THE SAFE WAS ABOUT THREE AND ONE-HALF BY FOUR
FEE. (Again, Brazel at this time is in military custody and will soon publicly recant his story as ordered)
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WILL HV ANOTHER ADD IN ABT 5 OR 10 MINWS.)
V7/8
NAJ DXR (Denver UP Office)
FYI, ROSWELL REPORTS TT MAJOR JESSE A. MARCEL, INTELLIGENCE
OFFICER FOR 509TH BOMBER GROUP AT ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE, IS IN FORT WORTH,
TEX., AT 8TH ARMY HDQUARTERS, "IF HE HANT ALREADY STARTED BACK FOR
ROWELL." SUGG U GET DA IN ON IT FASTEST. TT MITE BE WHERE DISC
WAS FLOWN.
FRR V7/8
(7) The material shown in the photographs taken in Maj. Gen. Ramey's office was a weather balloon. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press.
Besides Dubose independently corroborating Roswell intelligence officer Major Jesse Marcel's story of a weather balloon cover-up, Dubose's subsequent actions also lend to Marcel's credibility. Dubose recommended Marcel for promotion to Lt. Colonel in the Air Force Reserve several months later, along with Roswell base commander Col. Blanchard. Dubose also co-signed Blanchard's highly laudatory evaluation of Marcel the following spring and recommended Marcel attend Air Command and Staff School. (click here to view document) Similarly Gen. Ramey a few months later wrote that he thought Marcel command officer material. (click here to view document) If Dubose (or Ramey) had any doubts about Marcel's competency following the encounter in Ramey's office, it isn't evident in Marcel's record.
FRR (Santa Fe UP Office) 8
EEDITORS; PLEASE SUB FOR 5TH PGH AND REMAINDER OF FRRE8
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HOWEVER, OFFICIALS AT THE ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE WERE NOTIFIED
IMMEDIATELY BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. MAJOR JESSE A. MARCEL---
INTELLIGENCE OFFICER OF THE ROSWELL BASE---AND AN ENLISTED MAN THEN
CHECKED WITH THE SHERIFF.
SHERIFF WILCOX QUOTED BRIZELL AS SAYING THAT "IT MORE OR LESS
SEEMED LIKE TINFOIL." WILCOX SAID THAT BRIZELL
RELATED THAT THE DISC WAS BROKEN SOMEWHAT---APPARENTLY FROM THE FALL.
THE SHERIFF SAID THAT BRIZELL DESCRIBED THE OBJECT ABOUT AS LARGE
AS A SAFE IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. HE ADDED THAT THE SAFE WAS ABOUT
THREE AND ONE-HALF BY FOUR FEET.
BRIZELL DID NOT BRING THE OBJECT TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, BUT
MERELY DROVE THE 75 MILES FORM THE RANCH TO ROSWELL TO REPORT HIS
FINDING. SHERIFF WILCOX SAID THAT MAJOR MARCEL LEFT SHORTLY AFTER
RECEIVING THE REPORT FOR THE AREA WHERE THE DISC WAS FOUND.
MEANWHILE, A REPORT FROM CARRIZOZO, NEW MEXICO, SAID THAT A DISC
WAS FOUND 35 MILES SOUTHEAST OF CORONA. THE REPORT---WHICH WAS NOT
SUBSTANTIATED---MERELY SAID THAT IT WAS "A RUBBER SUBSTANCE AND
TINFOIL ENCASE." HOWEVER, IT WAS PRESUMED TO BE THE SAME AS THE
ONE REPORTED TO ROSWELL. (Given this location, seems to be the Foster Ranch, i.e. Brazel’s site)
REPORTS FROM THE ROSWELL BASE SAID THAT MAJOR MARCEL WAS AT
EIGHTH ARMY HEADQUARTERS IN FORT WORTH, TEXT, BUT THAT "HE MIGHT
BE ON HIS WAY BACK TO ROSWELL BY PLANE NOW." HOWEVER, OFFICIALS
AT THE ROSWELL BASE SAY THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE DISC OR ITS
DESCRIPTIONG, OR WHERE THE "HIGHER HEADQUARTERS" WHERE IT REPORTEDLY
WAS TAKEN ARE LOCATED.
V342P7/8
"Albuquerque, N. M. The army air forces has gained possession of a flying disk, Lt. Warren Haught, public information officer at Roswell army airfield, announced today.”
"Fort Worth Roswell's celebrated 'flying disk' was rudely stripped of its glamor by a Fort Worth army airfield weather officer who late today identified the object as a weather balloon."
Originally posted by Gazrok
Are people just afraid to comment on this or what?
Hehe...guess I'm just seeing too much talk about lizzies vs. dusty old UFO cases for my tastes...
Two questions though: when the eyewitnesses claim that the debris field was about 3 quarters of a mile big/long, does that make any sense if it would have been a wather ballon? I mean, could it have scattered that much?
Did someone say (either in this post or the previous one) that the disc probably was around 500 feet in diameter?
I'm only half way through, but allready have a question. I vaguely remember something about the person who supposedly found the saucer, was with a couple of boy scouts or something. Does this sound like either Ragsdale or Kaufmann? If so, did the boys ever make statements?
All I can say is WOW! This was a busy day. I did not know there was so much evidence on this. Great work, gonna get back to it.
Awsome work GAZ,btw how did you amass so much of info,are you an alien
Originally posted by Gazrok
There is much more that isn't in this series, simply because it didn't seem solid and/or credible enough to be included.
Have you shared any of your findings with Stanton Friedman? Or did you colaberate with him on any of this?
I still find it hilarious that all the while, when he’s posing for pics with substituted debris, all to debunk the story, little does he realize that eventually, technology will be able to read the damning memo held in his hand, which tells a different story of what really happened.
One question, are you implying that the note held in hand, in the photo within the Red box is the same note in the picture below the photo? How on earth can that be done?
This image was scanned at 600 dots per inch from an 8"x10" printed blow-up of the message. Magnification on the 8x10 was approximately 20X. The photodeveloper was instructed to overdevelop the print somewhat to bring out lighter areas in the shadows. This was the primary image used in reading the message.
A darker print (scan not presented here) was also used to increase contrast of letters fully exposed to light.
The purpose is to present the data in its raw form and make it widely available. People can use it to draw their own conclusion as to how readable the text is and even try their own hand at interpretation. It is also presented to indicate that there has been no gross manipulation of the image or "sleight-of-hand" used to create something that isn't there. Image enhancement was fairly basic, involving primarily adjustments of luminance and contrast levels. Where perspective and paper folds had seriously compressed or rotated letters, some compensating stretching and counter-rotation was applied to make text more readable.
Originally posted by Gazrok
Are people just afraid to comment on this or what?
Hehe...guess I'm just seeing too much talk about lizzies vs. dusty old UFO cases for my tastes...
Absolutely. This was actually even featured in a fairly recent special done for the Sci-Fi channel. However, I've got some more info on exactly how it was done, and even an analysis of why certain words can only be a few certain things, etc. I'll post this as an edit to this post in a bit...