Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky was Irresponsible in Asking Citizens to Fight Russian Soldiers.

originally posted by: rickymouse
On the NBC news I saw where the wife and kids of some guy were leaving to go to a different country. The guy said that guys in their fighting age...which I do not know the range...were not allowed to leave the country...basically they are drafted to fight the war.

So is this considered voluntarily staying to fight?

All able bodied males from 16-60.

They have been trained, not just common citizens anymore.

This wasn't a surprise to any of them, the entire country has been preparing for this for years.

Russia just discovered that Ukraine had quietly expanded it's armed forces from 80k to 10m since 2014.


Oh, to have been that fly on putin's wall...

a reply to: carewemust

From that source....

All fatality estimates are limited to acute deaths from nuclear explosions and would be significantly increased by deaths occurring from nuclear fallout and other long-term effects.

Doesn't look like they even considered the effects of nuclear winter. People down south might survive for a few months, but that's it. Without photosynthesis, civilization is done.

Even a "small" nuclear war between India and Pakistan would reduce the world's agricultural outputs by 40% which could lead to the deaths of 1-4 BILLION people.


(I accidentally responded to the wrong thread so I'm responding again)

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: mysterioustranger

Would you stay and fight to the death in the face of such overwhelming firepower?

Protecting my land? All dam day.

originally posted by: carewemust

Would you stay and fight to the death in the face of such overwhelming firepower?

It seems the answer is yes... If Russia invaded the US would you hike it to Mexico? Also, each person who took up arms did so on their choice, I think you are for the right to choose right?

Also, is it "restraint" or just a Russian sh!tshow? Looks more like a Sh!tshow to me then holding back...lol I think Russia just showed the world just how rundown, and inept their military is right now.

a reply to: Xtrozero

No. That poster would just post on here 24/7 about how it was all Biden's fault.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

No. That poster would just post on here 24/7 about how it was all Biden's fault.

The bottom-line is that Putin wants his satellite countries back and Ukraine is a biggie to get. He could have just put 100 random excuses to invade in a hat and pick one for all he cares.

Biden in office was just icing on the cake for him knowing just how weak he is. I'm sure he wanted to do this under Trump too and would, but he really didn't know what Trump would have done, so he waited.

a reply to: carewemust

Talking about the Russians.. Keep up, huh?✌️

a reply to: PatriotGames4u
Where did you get those silly numbers from? According to Ukrainians they have 130,000 active service personnel at the time of the "invasion". Russia on the other hand "invaded" with about 150,000. That's out of a million active personnel. So if Putin was serious about violently taking the Ukraine do you not think he would use a more overwhelming force?
Things aint what people think, it should (but might not, how regimes like to keep these things secret, like the US) be clearer when it's over.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: PatriotGames4u
Where did you get those silly numbers from? According to Ukrainians they have 130,000 active service personnel at the time of the "invasion". Russia on the other hand "invaded" with about 150,000. That's out of a million active personnel. So if Putin was serious about violently taking the Ukraine do you not think he would use a more overwhelming force?
Things aint what people think, it should (but might not, how regimes like to keep these things secret, like the US) be clearer when it's over.

I used the 80k AD, remaining 50k were reserves activated a couple months before russia invaded.

Russia invaded with over 200k, makes no difference that 50k of those are still on the russian side of the border, they are there supporting the invasion.

Russia is ALSO using another ~250k in their navy and air force for their Ukraine invasion.



Maybe you don't understand how few of those 1m are ground based warfighters?

putin didn't urgently beg belarus for 30k soldiers because russia has so many more soldiers than it needs.

It was because russia is in a surprisingly desperate situation as a result of what their putin idiot just did.



Are those the numbers you were asking about?

Request was a little vague.

a reply to: carewemust

If he is actually arming every male from whatever to sixty, he could be making the biggest mistake ever made. Most countries are trying to get the guns back off their citizens for the simple reason, they are nervous about an armed peasantry.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: carewemust

If he is actually arming every male from whatever to sixty, he could be making the biggest mistake ever made. Most countries are trying to get the guns back off their citizens for the simple reason, they are nervous about an armed peasantry.

They are worried about Patriots killing them for their treason.

THAT is why a certain type of politician has been so anti gun.



NO other reason.

Nice try though.

originally posted by: carewemust
Wednesday, March 2, 2022

IMO: Russia was doing its best to show restraint, giving Ukrainians the time and roads to evacuate the country. Dropping just enough bombs to send them the message that this is serious, and they should leave ASAP....and come back later, when it's safe to do so.

But for some reason President Zelensky didn't take Putin seriously...either before or after the invasion started. He told everyone to stand their ground and fight with whatever they could find to use as a weapon.

From 2.26.2022: thehill.com...

Bad idea. Many Ukrainians who would have left, are now being killed.

Example from today: www.the-sun.com...


Was Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky's urging of civilians to "stay and fight" a wise thing to suggest?

After all, it's been known for weeks that over 150,000 Russian soldiers, armed with Guns, Tanks, Missile Launchers, Jets, Helicopters, Ships, etc.., have been preparing to invade/take the country of Ukraine.

Urging civilians to stay and "Give em hell!", in the face of such overwhelming firepower was not smart, IMO.

What do you think?

How many dads/moms/children are dying right now, who would have been safe in a neighboring country, if Zelensky had not urged them to stay?

-CareWeMust

Bending over for Putin..not a good look for you, your suggestion that everyone just leave is literally f'ing asinine

a reply to: carewemust

No one forced them - they chose to defend their nation. It's natural and normal for people to defend thier way of life and provide a beter quality of life for their family and future generations.

Have you ever travelled around these countries or been close frieds with people who have fled both countries for a better life? There's a major difference in the standard ofliving in ex-Soviet satellite states vs. Russia that has to be seen to be believed and to understand why Ukraine is putting up such a fierce resistance.

People don''t want to be invaded and placed under a highly authoritarian rule that offers far worse quality of life, loss of freedoms, loss of human rights and far less oppurtinities for their children.

People have pride in their country area local area. They choose to stay and fight or travel from around the world to join the resistance as they want freedom and self determination for their loved ones instead of highly restricted and corrupt oligarghy rule.

Maybe it's a UK or European thing but I'm a pacifist and anti-war but would happilly to up arms to defend my country/neighbourhood from invasion regardless of how overwhelming the odds are.

Running away and hiding seems like pure cowardice - try thinking about the living conditions your sons would be under if Putin took control of the US and your views will hopefully change (not a personal attack, just think you have the wrong end of the stick on this issue

a reply to: carewemust

Ukrainian Cannon Fodder Anyone ? It's ALWAYS the People Who Suffer when the Tyrants Cry......

a reply to: nugget1

I heard the figure of dead Russian military on RT was closer to the 500 mark not 6000
this was on RT today when the journalist was questioning Lavrov

so who's is right haha
I can assume both are probably wrong

a reply to: sapien82

so who's is right haha
I can assume both are probably wrong

A safe bet!

originally posted by: joejack1949
a reply to: carewemust

From that source....

All fatality estimates are limited to acute deaths from nuclear explosions and would be significantly increased by deaths occurring from nuclear fallout and other long-term effects.

Doesn't look like they even considered the effects of nuclear winter. People down south might survive for a few months, but that's it. Without photosynthesis, civilization is done.

Even a "small" nuclear war between India and Pakistan would reduce the world's agricultural outputs by 40% which could lead to the deaths of 1-4 BILLION people.

(I accidentally responded to the wrong thread so I'm responding again)

It's probably hard to find a Nuclear War Expert who knows enough to cover all the bases. I think the authors of the article may live in Australia. Difficult to admit that everyone you know will die within a few months of a nuclear war waged in the Northern Hemisphere.

I wonder if Australia, South Africa, and South America are as keen on doing "whatever it takes" to stop Russia's war on Ukraine? Biden is talking big like that now. He's potentially the biggest thread in the world right now.

a reply to: bastion

Thank-you for sharing your thoughts so eloquently. What do you think of a leader asking civilians to stay and fight an approaching army, with Molotov Cocktails, Rifles, Rocks, etc..?

Do you think Zelensky is irresponsible for doing so?

That's a major question in the Opening Post of this thread.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: nugget1

I heard the figure of dead Russian military on RT was closer to the 500 mark not 6000
this was on RT today when the journalist was questioning Lavrov

so who's is right haha
I can assume both are probably wrong

Yesterday russia insisted that less than 150 russians were killed, did russia just have a bad 24 hours?



Ukraine is backing up (or at least attempting to) the numbers they release 100%.

Russia is releasing obvious blatent lies.



Believe who ever you want.

No law against stupidity.

a reply to: carewemust


It made me cringe!

Unless you’re suicidal. Strategy is always better decided without emotion IMO!