Russia Withdraws Troops From Ukraine Border After Media Said Invasion Was Imminent

I fully expect the media to portray Bine as the big, bad tough guy who frightened little Putin into capitulation in hopes of boosting his ratings.
I'm more worried about Biden waiving sanctions on Iran's civil nuclear program and returning the 2015 nuclear deal.

We're only two months into the year and have already had so many distraction it's hard to keep up. Best to look at what they're not showing us to figure out what we should be focused on.

And now it will de-evolve into stuff like this and a cyber attack here and there


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The Russian TASS news site reported that an attempted terrorist attack had been thwarted in Luhansk, a city controlled by pro-Russian separatists in the disputed Donbas region, on Tuesday, amid continuing concerns of a possible Russian invasion into Ukraine.

The report claimed that the Ukrainian Defense Ministry and Ukrainian special services may have been involved.

a reply to: nugget1

In America, inflation and crime (deep State and Street) will define what happens to the leaders of our country this year.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: putnam6

I don't mean accords related to Ukraine. The comment implied that NATO countries and Russia had accords related to eastward expansion after the Soviet empire in eastern Europe collapsed.

Bottom line is there are no such accords. Verbal assurances were made, but something to recall is what the political environment of the time was ... something that Putin never mentions because it deflates his claims:

Russia and the West finally struck an agreement in September that would allow NATO to station its troops beyond the Iron Curtain. However, the deal only concerned a reunified Germany, with further eastward expansion being inconceivable at the time.

"The Soviet Union still existed and the countries of Eastern Europe were still part of the Soviet structures – like the Warsaw Pact – which was not officially dissolved until July 1991," said Amélie Zima, doctor of political science at the Thucydide Centre (Panthéon-Assas) in Paris. "We cannot speak of betrayal, because a chain of events that would rearrange the security configuration in Europe was about to take place."

Here.

If we on ATS believe in denying ignorance, we should all note carefully that "NATO" never put installations into the territory of the former GDR (East Germany). Thus, that deal was kept. Everything else that happened after the USSR collapsed was in a vastly changed situation.

Cheers

All Im saying is perhaps we should atleast acknowledge the current Russian perspective as put forth on the front page of Tass. So if what you said happened how does that show American good faith negotiations, again I draw an American analogy suppose we released Washington, Montana, Minnesota to be independent and free from America and its influence for whatever reason,and then Russia signed a pact with those now free states and began shipping arms and aid to those states

Respectfully you would go bugchit, thus this is the Russian perspective. Not saying it's right or wrong but it is their perspective.

MOSCOW, February 15. /TASS/. Russia does not want any war and this is why it submitted its proposals on security guarantees in Europe and hopes that their key points will be taken into account during negotiations, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a press conference following his talks with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Tuesday.

The first face-to-face meeting of the two leaders since Scholz took office lasted slightly over three hours and received high marks from both of them: the Russian president noted its business-like atmosphere, while the German chancellor - that not a single subject was omitted. TASS gathered key statements following the talks.

On whether Russia wants any war
Putin emphasized that Russia does not want any war. "This is precisely why we put forward the proposals on the negotiating process that must result in an agreement on ensuring equal security for all states, including our country."

That said, he reiterated that at the time, NATO unleashed a war against Yugoslavia. "It is a very sad example, but it is a hard fact." Following Scholz’s remarks that then the alliance wanted to prevent genocide, the Russian president noted that what is going on in Donbass nowadays "is indeed genocide."

In response to a question about Moscow’s further steps in the situation around Ukraine, the president said they will "follow a plan." He explained that the plan will be shaped based on "the actual situation on the ground" that will depend not only on Russia.

The German chancellor reiterated that the West was very concerned over the accumulation of Russian troops near Ukrainian borders yet does not think that diplomatic capabilities have been exhausted. "Now this should be about working decisively and courageously over the peaceful resolution of this crisis."

Scholz also said that the return of some Russian troops to their permanent stations that was announced by the Defense Ministry this morning was "a good sign." "We hope that this trend continues."

Negotiations to continue

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a reply to: putnam6

Okay.

But what you're mentioning is not what I was talking about with regards to the "accords" comment. Different era.

Cheers

They needed a war to distract from what is coming. They all know what is coming, but Putin played them. The Ukraine is not significant enough to start WW3. He knows that.

All that being said, a limited withdrawal of troops is a neat distraction technique to lower vigilance. They can turn round easily enough.

I would be highly surprised if Putin did order an assault on the Ukraine. It makes very little sense and could see the severe depletion of some of Russia’s important assets. Vlad would not want that.

They needed a war to distract from what is coming. They all know what is coming, but Putin played them. The Ukraine is not significant enough to start WW3. He knows that.

All that being said, a limited withdrawal of troops is a neat distraction technique to lower vigilance. They can turn round easily enough.

I would be highly surprised if Putin did order an assault on the Ukraine. It makes very little sense and could see the severe depletion of some of Russia’s important assets. Vlad would not want that.

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Ummm...you are aware of the assurances given to Michael Gorbachev by Sec of state James Baker and European governments regarding..."not one inch"...of eastward expansion of NATO...


See here







YouSir

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: putnam6

Okay.

But what you're mentioning is not what I was talking about with regards to the "accords" comment. Different era.

Cheers

In case you haven't noticed a lot of things happened in different eras throughout history that are obviously affecting our society still today. Again not saying it's right or wrong just that it is.

for example, we hear screams of nazism when there are a few flags in the trucker convey, now what about nazism in Ukraine?

We gave Ukraine $247 million in aid which swamps what we give to all of the other countries and Russia's borders combined.




from the CounterPunch article

Now, what if Russia was offering aid, equipment, and training to a battalion-sized force of nazi sympathizers in Mexico? Would that bother you?

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During the Holocaust, over 1.2 million Jewish people were murdered by Nazis and their collaborators in Ukraine.

Ukraine is now experiencing a militarized resurgence of Nazism. In 2014, a Ukrainian neo-Nazi militia called Azov Battalion was formed to combat Russian separatism. It was then incorporated into the national guard, making it an official part of the Ukrainian military. There is no secrecy about the unit’s ideological commitments. Azov members wear uniforms adorned with SS symbols, swastikas, and patches celebrating Nazism. Its leader once stated that “The historic mission of our nation in this critical moment is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival.”

Azov Battalion has not only been legitimized by the Ukrainian government but has received support and training from both Canada and the United States. The unit’s officers have spoken publicly about the training they have received from Western military powers and the support that they have in Ukraine’s diaspora communities in North America.

In 2018, Canadian military officials specifically met with the battalion. They expressed concern only that their meeting might be exposed by the media, not because of the unit’s ideological commitments. As Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland’s grandfather was a Nazi collaborator in Ukraine during the Holocaust, there is absolutely no excuse for ignorance on this front.

American officials have also been photographed meeting with Azov members. The United States has supplied the unit and, in 2015, a bill was even modified by the Pentagon specifically to remove a clause that intended to prevent military funding and supplies from reaching Azov.

Neo-Nazism is not a fringe movement in Ukraine. It has been steadily gaining a foothold, working its way back into the state, and maintaining a presence in both the police and military, the most immediate arms of the state’s repressive apparatus.

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This thread is in deep contradiction. On one hand, get on the media but now since it says Russia has withdrawn( which we should be happy about not vindictive) but now you believe the media in saying Russia has withdrawn. Can't have it both ways. If the report is accurate, GREAT, but we'll see then we can draw conclusions one way or the other.

originally posted by: YouSir
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2


Ummm...you are aware of the assurances given to Michael Gorbachev by Sec of state James Baker and European governments regarding..."not one inch"...of eastward expansion of NATO...


See here

YouSir

you forgot to go BOOM!

Thanks for this link seems Ive got some light reading to do.

originally posted by: YouSir
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2


Ummm...you are aware of the assurances given to Michael Gorbachev by Sec of state James Baker and European governments regarding..."not one inch"...of eastward expansion of NATO...


See here

YouSir

That assurance was given to the Soviet Union.
They no longer exist.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: YouSir
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2


Ummm...you are aware of the assurances given to Michael Gorbachev by Sec of state James Baker and European governments regarding..."not one inch"...of eastward expansion of NATO...


See here

YouSir

That assurance was given to the Soviet Union.
They no longer exist.

Technically correct but it's not like Moscow has been renamed, and doesn't exist they just release certain nation-states from their control.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I think your wording made it seem as if this was all an orchestrated plan by globalists as you put it. But that would imply there was a player who wasn't globalist, presumably Russia... Yet they were playing a game too.

By all means they are playing a game as well.
My point is/was that Russia has had troops on the Ukrainian border for years. Sometimes more, sometimes less.
Putin will eventually invade again, as he did in 2014, without a doubt.
Yet, what we were being fed was a scare tactic. That may even be the reason Putin is pulling back, to let the globalist plan fail.
Not a big fan of Putin, but he is a die hard Nationalist, not a Globalist.

a reply to: Quadrivium

That's fair.

I think we're closer to agreement than I thought.

Seems like I got caught up on the semantics of it.

Cheers

a reply to: incoserv

Distraction maybe? Redistrobution of soldiers? They rooted out a mole? A manipulation technique to get the west to disbelieve their intelligence? There are an array of options for whyd they do that. If russia was pulling out though one thing is for sure, there wouldnt be speculstion, it would be an easy to see concrete multiple move & they wouldnt still be building & shipping toward Ukraine.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: YouSir
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2


Ummm...you are aware of the assurances given to Michael Gorbachev by Sec of state James Baker and European governments regarding..."not one inch"...of eastward expansion of NATO...


See here

YouSir

That assurance was given to the Soviet Union.
They no longer exist.

Not to mention verbal assurances don't count for anything when it comes to serious matters, much less how nations govern their relationships with each other.

Anyone who thinks I'm exaggerating should try this exercise:

Go to your bank and tell them you want to open an account with no formal documents. Simply on the basis of verbal assurances that you are who you say you are, and that you will abide by the bank's rules etc.

Then tell me how quickly you get escorted out of the building.

Countries do NOTHING for each other on the basis of "verbal assurances". NOTHING.

Cheers

originally posted by: YouSir
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2


Ummm...you are aware of the assurances given to Michael Gorbachev by Sec of state James Baker and European governments regarding..."not one inch"...of eastward expansion of NATO...


See here

YouSir

See my comment about verbal assurances above.

They mean NOTHING in terms of relations between countries.

Not to mention the situation completely changed in 1990-1991.

By the logic you advance, the relationships of multiple nations in central Europe should remain frozen forever, just because once upon a time, an entity called the "USSR" existed.

Doesn't work that way.

BTW, thank you for not using the term "accords", because there were none. Just verbal assurances given a fading leader of an empire that was about to fall apart. And to top it all off, those assurances were NOT given by "NATO" (as Putin claims), they were made by second-rankers in national governments who were not NATO officials. I mean, if Putin wants to be clever by pushing this canard, he could at least get some of the facts straight.

Cheers

President Biden's military focuses so much on being "woke" and "politically correct", they're losing the edge as top-quality protectors of America.

This week, Biden's policies enabled additional enemies to obtain high-tech military equipment. Most recently, it was the Taliban. This month, it's the RUSSIANS.

Russia has captured secret U.S. equipment from a Virginia-class nuclear submarine that was allegedly operating within the country's territorial waters, according to a report from a Moscow-based news agency.

The Avia.pro news agency reported on Tuesday that Russia had obtained what the agency described as a sonar countermeasure device which the U.S. Navy submarine had allegedly abandoned when it left the area.

The report comes amid ongoing tensions along the Russia-Ukraine border as the U.S. has repeatedly warned that Russian forces may be poised to invade the country.

Source: www.newsweek.com...

-Most Dangerous Administration to America, Ever.

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