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Rolling Stone: Trump’s White House passed around a presentation on how to end American democracy

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posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 09:13 AM
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Conspiracy is 150,000 people in Wisconsin sharing the same voting information, just discovered. Conspiracy is voting being halted at 3 am the morning after election day, and suddenly there being a giant dump of votes flipping the election.

That looks more like treason. Why are you against investigating this?


originally posted by: MDDoxs
a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

You stare conspiracy in the face, as plan as day, and deny it.

What if Obama had done this to stay in power because he felt like he deserved another term. Would you be alright with it?



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 09:15 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
You addressing the bill of rights that amend the US condition?


I'm not addressing any condition, other than the condition that you and other people don't under the Constitution.



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 09:15 AM
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originally posted by: putnam6
American governments plan for 'ALL" contingencies, all It took for a "presentation" would likely be an advisor mentioning something could happen.

Ironic, how the left thinks Trump is a dolt, but comes up with these elaborate schemes to supplant democracy itself, full well knowing doing so would have only pleased less than 5% fringe of his base, besides it wasn't done for a reason.

Like Operation Northwoods Operation Coded War plan WHITE was plans the military had in the 30's and 40's, FOR DOMESTIC THREAT. Along with plans for about every locale throughout the world including plans for Great Britain and every allly we have.

An unused plan is just that unused...

Pretty obvious though the left only rallying cry for their base is Trump did this or that because their results so far have been abysmal.

Can you imagine all the dumb azz ideas that have floated through just these past 5-10 years, hell we implemented one or 2 of them?




For all these supposed plans to subvert democracy, all Trump actually DID was to call for protests, and to call for the election to not be certified. (You know, petition for the redress of grievances? Freedom of speech?)

Meanwhile, there are dozens of Democrats who have literally voiced support for violent rioters, and urged them to continue. Why have we not set up a commission to hold them accountable? Oh, right, because they're Democrats.

This is all about politics. Trump didn't break any laws, and every Democrat on that committee knows this.



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: Madviking
Conspiracy is voting being halted at 3 am the morning after election day, and suddenly there being a giant dump of votes flipping the election.


Hey, OP, care to address this? I've never heard any Democrat address these pauses in vote counting, not even once. Because it happens in every election, and it's a known tactic for ballot fraud. The pause happens so the cheaters can print up enough ballots to flip the election. The counting continues once the fake votes have been "discovered." If this happened in any other country, the State department would declare the vote fraudulent, and probably refuse to recognize the winning party.



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: MDDoxs

Trump SHOULD have done all those things.

Shame he didn't....




posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: MDDoxs
a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

You stare conspiracy in the face, as plan as day, and deny it.

What if Obama had done this to stay in power because he felt like he deserved another term. Would you be alright with it?

This post shows the crux of the problem in the world right now, there's a massive separation in how people view reality. Have you actually seen the presentation? The Rolling Stone article claims it was titled “Election fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 JAN”, and in the view of hundreds of millions of people around the world, the election was stolen, and if you look into the raw data there are many signs that something extremely suspicious happened in the swing states. In fact I would say the evidence is staring us in the face but no one with power wants to admit it.

So I would call Trump a useless idiot if he didn't do anything to investigate the fraud. The MSM can spin it however they like, but if Trump was really attempting to overthrow democracy then the "evil" plans in this presentation would have allowed him to get another term. In fact it seems to me he did barely anything meaningful to investigate or refute the election results. He literally went golfing for several days right after the election. Trump played soft ball so many times when he shouldn't have. He did nothing to reduce censorship, he even allowed the left to burn down cities.

The left loves to portray Trump as some sort of unhinged lunatic, when in reality he is quite moderate and often stands behind the mainstream narrative even when he knows his supporters wont like it. Just look at his long standing stance on vaccines. He knows it's politically safer to endorse the vaccines, taking the opposite stance would see him attacked by the MSM from all angles. But at the same time he's not the type of leader who would impose mandates, even the left were saying they wouldn't and couldn't enforce mandates in the beginning, now they are like rabid mandate fanatics.




posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 09:37 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
Show me where in the US constitution it says that voting needs to be done electronically or is even valid.


That's not how the United States Constitution works, it isn't a list of things you can do, it's primarily a list of the things the government can't do.


For once I agree with you. Exactly how you put it was perfect and should be clear as day to everyone about the attack on the Constitution is to remove those restrictions.

They have called the constitution "outdated and a threat to America". Because it limits their power.
edit on 10-12-2021 by BlackArrow because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Show me where in the Constitution it says people should be allowed to own semi-automatic weapons. The concept didn't even exist back then.

See how dumb your comment was now?

I mean it's literally the amendment that comes right after the first one.



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 10:01 AM
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a reply to: MDDoxs

Rolling Stone magazine? LMAO
Even if it was CNN, I would have at least read the story.
But still, anyone that believes there wasn’t any Democrat sleight of hand voting fraud, is a complete buffoon.
Congrats.



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: RazorV66
www.rollingstone.com...

This rolling stone the one that won't even take down stories that have been proven to be complete fabrication

... yea I wouldent read anything from them either



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 10:13 AM
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So a power point presentation on "Election fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 JAN,” was part of an email sent on Jan. 5, the day before the attack on the Capitol ... that did not include an option for "attacking the capital" ... and I'm am supposed to be angry because the Rolling Stone is using a lot of colorful inflammatory adjectives in its reporting?



Dont worry I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh eather when he calls for locking up Hillary Clinton... even though she did actually violate the law through the mishandled of classified information.
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posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 10:15 AM
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originally posted by: BlackArrow
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
Show me where in the US constitution it says that voting needs to be done electronically or is even valid.


That's not how the United States Constitution works, it isn't a list of things you can do, it's primarily a list of the things the government can't do.


They have called the constitution "outdated and a threat to America". Because it limits their power.


That's the democrat M.O.
If things aren't going your way, change the rules. They do it (or at least try) every single time.



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 10:26 AM
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Article didn't really say much or offer anything other than maybe something will come up in the near future.

But from what we learned about the Russian collusion fiasco, I'm not holding my breath.



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: Madviking
Conspiracy is voting being halted at 3 am the morning after election day, and suddenly there being a giant dump of votes flipping the election.


Hey, OP, care to address this? I've never heard any Democrat address these pauses in vote counting, not even once. Because it happens in every election, and it's a known tactic for ballot fraud. The pause happens so the cheaters can print up enough ballots to flip the election. The counting continues once the fake votes have been "discovered." If this happened in any other country, the State department would declare the vote fraudulent, and probably refuse to recognize the winning party.


Polls close at 7 pm (local time) everywhere. At that point we shut the door but anyone standing in line AT THAT MOMENT is still allowed to vote. If it's a huge line, we accommodate them. I've had a big line that didn't finish voting until 10 pm -- but that was (as the cops supervising the site can tell you) the people standing in line to vote at exactly 7 pm.

Or did you mean "reporting time?"

It takes around 2 hours to close the polls and secure the machines and shuffle the carbon copies (4, actually. An original, one for the county, one for the state, one that the judge has to keep) into envelopes (there are 5-6 sheets that have to be processed like this), the seals on the equipment have to be accounted for (we have to produce the seals that we broke to open the machines and record the numbers on the ones we use to lock up the machines.) We also have to tally the voters shown on the electronic poll book (where we check folks in) with the sign in sheet (everyone signs that this is them) and take care of THOSE carbon copies.

Then we have to put the machines (poll book, vote counter) into reporting mode and run the reports that show the voting tallies. We put the reports in the envelopes where we store the same reports we ran on those exact machines before we opened the polls (to prove that we had machines with zero counts and that the number of people voting matches the number of people who signed in.)

And THEN we can drive the ballots, the reports, and all the other paperwork to the local elections committee site and they check us in. If we've forgotten anything, we have to go back to our site (could be a 10 mile drive) and fix it.

Then we go to bed (around 3am.)



I urge you to contact your local elections commission and get training as a clerk so you can properly monitor the elections "from the inside" next time. You will see for yourself that what I've written is true.


* nobody votes after 3 am
* nobody votes after 7 pm unless they were in line at 7 pm
* the elections authority isn't getting data until AFTER the judge turns it in.
* in the aftermath, the judges reports are checked and resolved against the actual machines.



Get involved with elections. Learn what's going on. Don't just sit around and trust some person with a youtube channel or an op-ed rant.



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: MDDoxs
After four years of sabotaging his presidency at every perceivable opportunity to make trump out to be a fraud, a music entertainment magazine comes up with yet another logical fallacy after the facts being skewed by the dishonest media.

If you think Jan 6 was an actual insurrection, I think it was for cause of the last four years of sabotaging his presidency. But a coordinated plan of action was never implemented...or carried out by Jan 6 political prisoners held as justified because 19 foreigners invented "domestic terrorism" patriot act legislation.

Maybe a reason trump decided to become president in the first place?
🙏❤



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
a reply to: MDDoxs
Show me where in the US constitution it says that voting needs to be done electronically or is even valid. The concept didn't exist back then.


This has already been discussed elsewhere, but let's make this explicit.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 2: "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress".

It doesn't tell the states what they can and cannot do in the process of choosing their electors. If they want to use carrier pigeons, they can use carrier pigeons. If they want to use electronic tallying machines, they can do that. There is nothing unconstitutional or illegal about using voting machines.



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: Madviking
Conspiracy is voting being halted at 3 am the morning after election day, and suddenly there being a giant dump of votes flipping the election.


Hey, OP, care to address this? I've never heard any Democrat address these pauses in vote counting, not even once. Because it happens in every election, and it's a known tactic for ballot fraud. The pause happens so the cheaters can print up enough ballots to flip the election. The counting continues once the fake votes have been "discovered." If this happened in any other country, the State department would declare the vote fraudulent, and probably refuse to recognize the winning party.


Polls close at 7 pm (local time) everywhere. At that point we shut the door but anyone standing in line AT THAT MOMENT is still allowed to vote. If it's a huge line, we accommodate them. I've had a big line that didn't finish voting until 10 pm -- but that was (as the cops supervising the site can tell you) the people standing in line to vote at exactly 7 pm.

Or did you mean "reporting time?"

It takes around 2 hours to close the polls and secure the machines and shuffle the carbon copies (4, actually. An original, one for the county, one for the state, one that the judge has to keep) into envelopes (there are 5-6 sheets that have to be processed like this), the seals on the equipment have to be accounted for (we have to produce the seals that we broke to open the machines and record the numbers on the ones we use to lock up the machines.) We also have to tally the voters shown on the electronic poll book (where we check folks in) with the sign in sheet (everyone signs that this is them) and take care of THOSE carbon copies.

Then we have to put the machines (poll book, vote counter) into reporting mode and run the reports that show the voting tallies. We put the reports in the envelopes where we store the same reports we ran on those exact machines before we opened the polls (to prove that we had machines with zero counts and that the number of people voting matches the number of people who signed in.)

And THEN we can drive the ballots, the reports, and all the other paperwork to the local elections committee site and they check us in. If we've forgotten anything, we have to go back to our site (could be a 10 mile drive) and fix it.

Then we go to bed (around 3am.)



I urge you to contact your local elections commission and get training as a clerk so you can properly monitor the elections "from the inside" next time. You will see for yourself that what I've written is true.


* nobody votes after 3 am
* nobody votes after 7 pm unless they were in line at 7 pm
* the elections authority isn't getting data until AFTER the judge turns it in.
* in the aftermath, the judges reports are checked and resolved against the actual machines.



Get involved with elections. Learn what's going on. Don't just sit around and trust some person with a youtube channel or an op-ed rant.



I'm talking about the reporting pauses that happen late at night, many hours after polls have closed. What happened in Wisconsin in 2020 is a perfect example, but something similar happened in Detroit, with the infamous van that arrived at 2AM with 500,000 ballots. (This is a city that only has about 600,000 people as of the last census.) It's always when there's something like 95% of precincts reporting. It's not random, either, it's always the same couple of heavily-Democratic counties that do this. And it certainly doesn't help that these same people fight tooth & nail against any form of transparency. There were many cases in 2020 where they actually threw out Republican poll observers. This was a big reason why Wayne County (where Detroit is located) refused to certify the vote.

To outside observers, at least, it's all sketchy as hell. And that's before we even consider the multiple videos that exist of election workers scanning some ballots two or three times. Please, if all of this has some innocent explanation, please tell.



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: MDDoxs

What you are observing is the blind, frothing fervor of someone who has become a zealot of a personality cult.



Holy crap, the man lives in your head still, and you talk about "blind, frothing fervor"...lol look in the mirror my friend. Also, no Trump wasn't the best President, has a ton of flaws we all know about, but holy crap, whatever Trump has Biden is 10 times worst without anything good to offset as Trump had.

Trump is gone, so maybe you and others need to look at the person now in the WH.



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 11:38 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: MDDoxs

What you are observing is the blind, frothing fervor of someone who has become a zealot of a personality cult.



Holy crap, the man lives in your head still, and you talk about "blind, frothing fervor"...lol look in the mirror my friend. Also, no Trump wasn't the best President, has a ton of flaws we all know about, but holy crap, whatever Trump has Biden is 10 times worst without anything good to offset as Trump had.

Trump is gone, so maybe you and others need to look at the person now in the WH.


Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Should something like the OP's topic just be ignored?



posted on Dec, 10 2021 @ 12:04 PM
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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Should something like the OP's topic just be ignored?


Sure have at it... Its been investigated over and over. We have had 5 years of total faked news on top and made-up stories along the way. The false narratives from the left are never ending, so are you suggesting we "look into" everyone? Actually I'm tired of it all, and I thought they would calm down once orange man was gone, but I guess not.

There is no history here and the real one we got the left wants to change to something different, so your question is moot.



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