interpretation of vac. by my dear friend, a clinical lab scientist.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
Part one

Dr. Charles Hoffe, a Canadian physician discussed the mechanism of the vaccine and how it functions in the body. 40 Trillion mRNA particles in vaccine 75% of these particles leave the arm and travel through the lymphatic system into the blood circulatory system These particles enter the lining cells of your blood vessels and insert themselves and cause your cells to reproduce the spike protein of the viral capsule of the CoronaVirus. Results are that the previously smooth linings of your blood vessels are now roughly spiked. This causes an activation of the clotting system in the body resulting in platelets adhering and causing a clot at the site, just as if your body has an injury. Certain parts of the body are unable to heal if a clotting event occurs, for example the heart, brain, lungs etc. Why would anyone want to modify their DNA with an experimental vaccine, which is gene modification due to it consisting of mRNA which inserts itself into your cells, causing your own cells to change. Cited the below from the CDC website:

Charles Hoffe, a Canadian physician

Part two

Vaccines contain the same germs that cause disease. (For example, measles vaccine contains measles virus, and Hib vaccine contains Hib bacteria.) But they have been either killed or weakened to the point that they don’t make you sick. Some vaccines contain only a part of the disease germ. A vaccine stimulates your immune system to produce antibodies, exactly like it would if you were exposed to the disease. After getting vaccinated, you develop immunity to that disease, without having to get the disease first. This is what makes vaccines such powerful medicine. Unlike most medicines, which treat or cure diseases, vaccines prevent them.

Interpretation by, Sunshadow

:The vaccine does not contain particles of the Covid virus, it contains messenger RNA that inserts itself into your cells and modifies them to produce the capsule spike protein found on the surface of the viral particle. Your body then, sees it as a foreign particle and produces antibodies to the capsule protein

She Will be posting as Sun shadow, and like to debate or answer any questions you might have.

This Dr Charles Hoffe?
"Anti-vaxx group Future Z targeting schoolchildren with misleading leaflets" inews.co.uk...

The spike proteins of the virus attaches at the ACE receptor of our cells, the lungs are a rich source of these receptors. A healthy immune system can usually clear the virus as it has a 99.95 something percent survival rate. The immunocompromised, elderly and people with co-morbidities have a lower survival rate as well as those individuals on ACE inhibitors for high blood pressure.
With the injection, the spike proteins are created within the body causing damage to any organ such as heart, lung, brain etc
which is why healthy young people are having heart problems

a reply to: Falenor

The ground glass opacity is nasty, we image COVID patients in virtual autopsies. It has a nasty way of really modifying inflammatory signaling to allow it to gain a foothold. Basically it can suppress dendritic cells and other antigen presenting cells that are supposed to present viral antigen to the lymph nodes. Then it likes to up regulate the release of hyaluronic acid which is a protein that holds up to 1000 times its weight in fluid. It does this in the lungs and with messing with inflammatory signaling combined with this it can get ugly. It also increases clotting factors, which can cause other issues.

Now we know that the viral spike protein messes with the angiotensin renin system and increases inflammation, blood pressure, basically all the stress responses in vulnerable hosts. There’s a debate on whether or not the spike protein generated from the vaccine can also cause these issues like the spike protein from virus.

Basically it would need to consist of a few issues occurring or we would be seeing it far more. Maybe the spike proteins are being released and there is a failure in endocytosis. Or there could be a problem with MHC complex presentation which takes antigen, breaks it down, and presents portions of the spike to the immune system. Say you have someone with an inflammatory condition or a nasty comorbidity of the vasculature and they get into a aberrant reaction like the unfolded protein response. Then you could have issues with inflammation and problems expressing protein properly which could be exasperated by inflammation generated by the vaccine. People are even producing antibodies against platelet factors which would make this a reality instead of us being able to break it down. Which should occur in most patients.

Now I am really confused?

Your opinion as a clinical lab scientist is the answer is Jesus?

originally posted by: sunshadow1220
I do not know if there is a comeback from this modification caused by the vaccine, but I do know that the Highest Authority in all creation has the power to regenerate and is the answer for all our questions He is Jeshua our Messiah

originally posted by: sunshadow1220
The spike proteins of the virus attaches at the ACE receptor of our cells, the lungs are a rich source of these receptors. A healthy immune system can usually clear the virus as it has a 99.95 something percent survival rate. The immunocompromised, elderly and people with co-morbidities have a lower survival rate as well as those individuals on ACE inhibitors for high blood pressure.
With the injection, the spike proteins are created within the body causing damage to any organ such as heart, lung, brain etc
which is why healthy young people are having heart problems

Do you have any evidence for any of this bs?

Anything at all?

I'm waiting on an answer as to if spike proteins are actually spikey.


a reply to: Oldcarpy2

The spike protein is not a spike like a nail or pin, to explain
the protein is found on the outside of the viral particle
the injection of mRNA enters your cells and changes them (your cells) to create the spike protein on your epithelial cells (blood vessels)
the body's immune response recognizes the spike as foreign and mounts an immune response (antibodies)
the antibodies bind to the spike protein on your body's own epithelial cells
the body than recognizes these complex molecules of antibody/spike protein as foreign
and sees this as a damaged blood vessel
then your clotting system activates as if you had a puncture in your blood vessel
then clots occur

originally posted by: sunshadow1220
The spike protein is not a spike like a nail or pin, to explain
the protein is found on the outside of the viral particle
the injection of mRNA enters your cells and changes them (your cells) to create the spike protein on your epithelial cells (blood vessels)
the body's immune response recognizes the spike as foreign and mounts an immune response (antibodies)
the antibodies bind to the spike protein on your body's own epithelial cells
the body than recognizes these complex molecules of antibody/spike protein as foreign
and sees this as a damaged blood vessel
then your clotting system activates as if you had a puncture in your blood vessel
then clots occur

Does it really? Where is your evidence?

originally posted by: sunshadow1220
The spike proteins of the virus attaches at the ACE receptor of our cells, the lungs are a rich source of these receptors. A healthy immune system can usually clear the virus as it has a 99.95 something percent survival rate. The immunocompromised, elderly and people with co-morbidities have a lower survival rate as well as those individuals on ACE inhibitors for high blood pressure.
With the injection, the spike proteins are created within the body causing damage to any organ such as heart, lung, brain etc
which is why healthy young people are having heart problems

Can you provide any evidence for this?

a reply to: bastion

It binds ACE2 not ACE, the comorbidities cause the problem, the drugs are secondary. There is an underlying cause for some of these responses in people, we just don’t know what yet but it’s not a typical immune response. In most patients, the spike from the vaccine should not, because of structural changes, cause these issues and we have the cells preventing this as they are trained to do. The last thing they want to do is present foreign antigen that can cause problems so they break it down into inactivated complexes for the immune system to analyze.

There will be cell damage just like with any inflammatory response, that’s why it hurts or you get sore but we regenerate, otherwise we would all be dead with COVID and all the pathogens and vaccines we get exposed to in our lifetimes.

ETA: it is also showing the ability to bind CD209/DCSIGN as a coreceptor and potentially as it’s own receptor.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

:The vaccine does not contain particles of the Covid virus, it contains messenger RNA that inserts itself into your cells and modifies them to produce the capsule spike protein found on the surface of the viral particle. Your body then, sees it as a foreign particle and produces antibodies to the capsule protein

And this is the reason I will not get this darn jabs, how do I know that my body will no react to the modified protein and then my body will keep fighting this for the rest of my life, causing my immune system to go wild.

Is call chronic inflammation, a lot of the medical treatments out there suppress the immune system in order to stop the body from reacting to them with inflammation.

Most people that are on long term treatments have deficient immune system already.

originally posted by: sunshadow1220
The spike protein is not a spike like a nail or pin, to explain
the protein is found on the outside of the viral particle
the injection of mRNA enters your cells and changes them (your cells) to create the spike protein on your epithelial cells (blood vessels)
the body's immune response recognizes the spike as foreign and mounts an immune response (antibodies)
the antibodies bind to the spike protein on your body's own epithelial cells
the body than recognizes these complex molecules of antibody/spike protein as foreign
and sees this as a damaged blood vessel
then your clotting system activates as if you had a puncture in your blood vessel
then clots occur

I and Mrs Carpy have had both jabs. We both had sore arms and felt lousy for a couple of days. Not had any clotting yet.

Millions upon millions have had 2 jabs. It ain't happening.

Welcome to the real world. You ain't true.

Welcome to ATS.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
Part one

Dr. Charles Hoffe, a Canadian physician discussed the mechanism of the vaccine and how it functions in the body. 40 Trillion mRNA particles in vaccine 75% of these particles leave the arm and travel through the lymphatic system into the blood circulatory system These particles enter the lining cells of your blood vessels and insert themselves and cause your cells to reproduce the spike protein of the viral capsule of the CoronaVirus. Results are that the previously smooth linings of your blood vessels are now roughly spiked. This causes an activation of the clotting system in the body resulting in platelets adhering and causing a clot at the site, just as if your body has an injury. Certain parts of the body are unable to heal if a clotting event occurs, for example the heart, brain, lungs etc. Why would anyone want to modify their DNA with an experimental vaccine, which is gene modification due to it consisting of mRNA which inserts itself into your cells, causing your own cells to change. Cited the below from the CDC website:

There are many who would disagree with how much protein make it into the circulatory system since the mRNA has a very short time period in your body, about a day at best. What is written above sounds more like the virus itself as it will move throughout the body making RNA/protein over weeks on end. The RNA is actually a molecule and not a particle, so it's pretty freaken small...lol Calling it a particle makes it sound like some big thing floating in your system. mRNA is also not gene therapy in anyway. Your cell as a nature process has RNA in it all the time making protein for cell reproduction. The virus RNA does the same, it makes protein for virus reproduction. mRNA is not DNA and it doesn't get into the mechanics of the cell, just uses the cell process to make the protein as 200k other RNA in the same cell is doing.

More than millions and millions.

It's over a billion double dosed worldwide now.


a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Calling someone a troll is not a valid argument.



a reply to: CrazyWater

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: CrazyWater

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: sunshadow1220
The spike protein is not a spike like a nail or pin, to explain
the protein is found on the outside of the viral particle
the injection of mRNA enters your cells and changes them (your cells) to create the spike protein on your epithelial cells (blood vessels)
the body's immune response recognizes the spike as foreign and mounts an immune response (antibodies)
the antibodies bind to the spike protein on your body's own epithelial cells
the body than recognizes these complex molecules of antibody/spike protein as foreign
and sees this as a damaged blood vessel
then your clotting system activates as if you had a puncture in your blood vessel
then clots occur

I and Mrs Carpy have had both jabs. We both had sore arms and felt lousy for a couple of days. Not had any clotting yet.

Millions upon millions have had 2 jabs. It ain't happening.

Welcome to the real world. You ain't true.

Welcome to ATS.

yes because youre such an authority and SO MUCH of the things you say are dead on.

Give us a break , tbh youre the LAST person that should be casting stones at people and claiming fake information.

Fake information? We both had the jab and what I said is the truth. You calling me a liar? And a troll?

You havent provided ANY information about ANYTHING , especially none to refute the claims laid forth in this thread.

I have no idea if youve had the jab or not, it really doesnt matter, it doesnt have a DAMN thing to do with how the vaccines work or the issues that are actually happening

Refute the information with your own information , instead of just screaming "not true"