Why do we have to wear a mask if I am vaccinated?

a reply to: neutronflux
Why would the seattle times lie about bankruptcy?
Clearly some yokel in new zealand has dispelled that rumor.
Well with a script from wuhan.

a reply to: chr0naut

You do realize that your argument can be taken to mean that the original shutdowns and mask mandates have extended the duration of the virus as well?

A point that is not being made is that the original shutdowns and mask mandates didn't allow people's immune systems to evolve with the virus.

Because they lied.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: chr0naut

The wave of COVID-19 bankruptcies has begun
February 28, 2021 at 6:04 am

www.seattletimes.com...

There are always bankruptcies. Some businesses are just a bad idea from the start.

But the truth is that overall, there have been fewer bankruptcies in 2020, than there were in previous years.

The economic disaster, and economic reset, is doom porn.

Is it false many of the covid bankruptcies were on hold because of the court systems being shutdown because of covid? And lockdowns resulted in lawyer offices being closed. Now the back log is starting to be cleared?

Heading into 2022 with everybody forced to wear a face diaper, and a recession in progress, will be glorious for republicans.

Even if Joe Biden wasn't a nut job with dementia.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

There have been symptoms, like other colds an flu' also cause, but no-one has tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. Been that way for months.

So you fundamentally misunderstand what an asymptomatic person is.
THEY DON'T SHOW ANY SYMPTOMS.

But people are showing symptoms which may be because of COVID-19, and they are, therefore, getting tested (it's entirely free, you don't even have to be a citizen).

They also test some groups in higher risk situations (like me), such as on the ports, or at airports or around quarantine facilities, periodically, even if they are asymptomatic. No positive tests.

Also source or zip the wastewater testing bs.

Covid-19: Wastewater testing under way in Auckland, Taranaki

And the red scare line you take is yours and chinas alone.

LOL, I have nothing to fear from COVID-19.

It isn't 'circulating', in the country where I live, and I'm fully vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine.

... and I have had a couple of tests, which came back negative.

originally posted by: JIMC5499
a reply to: chr0naut

You do realize that your argument can be taken to mean that the original shutdowns and mask mandates have extended the duration of the virus as well?

A point that is not being made is that the original shutdowns and mask mandates didn't allow people's immune systems to evolve with the virus.

At the rates at which it spreads naturally, it would take years to infect everyone in the USA. At the current case mortality rate for the US, that would mean more than 5 million dead from COVID-19. So it is plain stupid to let nature take its course.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: chr0naut

The wave of COVID-19 bankruptcies has begun
February 28, 2021 at 6:04 am

www.seattletimes.com...

There are always bankruptcies. Some businesses are just a bad idea from the start.

But the truth is that overall, there have been fewer bankruptcies in 2020, than there were in previous years.

The economic disaster, and economic reset, is doom porn.

Is it false many of the covid bankruptcies were on hold because of the court systems being shutdown because of covid? And lockdowns resulted in lawyer offices being closed. Now the back log is starting to be cleared?

Nope. Look at the chart.

a reply to: chr0naut

But people are showing symptoms which may be because of COVID-19, and they are, therefore, getting tested (it's entirely free, you don't even have to be a citizen).

You just don't get it.
And that itself is hilarious

a·symp·to·mat·ic
/ˌāsim(p)təˈmadik/

adjectiveMEDICINE
(of a condition or a person) producing or showing no symptoms.


And the wastewater article you provided contradicts itself.
It states no detection in the early paragraphs then states detection in sewage at a hotel later.
Lol
Too funny.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: chr0naut

The wave of COVID-19 bankruptcies has begun
February 28, 2021 at 6:04 am

www.seattletimes.com...

There are always bankruptcies. Some businesses are just a bad idea from the start.

But the truth is that overall, there have been fewer bankruptcies in 2020, than there were in previous years.

The economic disaster, and economic reset, is doom porn.

Is it false many of the covid bankruptcies were on hold because of the court systems being shutdown because of covid? And lockdowns resulted in lawyer offices being closed. Now the back log is starting to be cleared?

Nope. Look at the chart.

Nope
Look at the seattle times

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: chr0naut

The wave of COVID-19 bankruptcies has begun
February 28, 2021 at 6:04 am

www.seattletimes.com...

There are always bankruptcies. Some businesses are just a bad idea from the start.

But the truth is that overall, there have been fewer bankruptcies in 2020, than there were in previous years.

The economic disaster, and economic reset, is doom porn.

Is it false many of the covid bankruptcies were on hold because of the court systems being shutdown because of covid? And lockdowns resulted in lawyer offices being closed. Now the back log is starting to be cleared?

Nope. Look at the chart.

When was your chart last updated for the USA?

U.S. bankruptcies increased in March in sign backlog may be clearing: Epiq AACER

By Syndicated Content
Apr 5, 2021 | 4:36 PM

wincountry.com...


U.S. bankruptcies had declined through much of the pandemic year, a fact Epiq AACER officials suspect involved a delay in filings due to the flow of fiscal support to consumers or even courthouse closures during the peak of the pandemic.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TzarChasm
Yeah ... no. I am pissed at the government. They know the problem isn't vaccinated people and punishing us isn't changing anyone's mind.

The unvaccinated can't impose mandates.

The vast majority of unvaccinated aren't doing anything except minding their own business. Those who are vaccinated (3 times over in some cases) are panicking for reasons that haven't been clearly explained, something to do with "vaccines are helping, but not enough" which has me scratching my head. Either it works or it doesn't.

a reply to: TzarChasm
Oh
It definitely "works", if you get enough shots.
You should get half a dozen or so.

There's zero data to support mask wearing has any influence on COVID at all.

originally posted by: chr0naut
At the rates at which it spreads naturally, it would take years to infect everyone in the USA. At the current case mortality rate for the US, that would mean more than 5 million dead from COVID-19. So it is plain stupid to let nature take its course.

Really? Look at what you just said.

"At the rates at which it spreads naturally, it would take years to infect everyone in the USA."
So what was the big rush to shut down everything last year?

"At the current case mortality rate for the US, that would mean more than 5 million dead from COVID-19."
How do you validate that number? It is known that COVID-19 was NOT the cause of death for most people. It was a contributing factor. Very few people died just from COVID. I saw a Death Certificate that listed "Traumatic Head Injury w/COVID-19" as the cause. The man died in a motorcycle accident. How many people died from complications because the Government and Media had them afraid to go to the Emergency Room? My Cousin is a Senior ICU nurse at our local hospital. At no time was their ICU at maximum capacity. I can go on and on. The USS Comfort was sent to New York City. It wasn't used. When this is far enough in the past, the numbers will be crunched and we will find out how we have been played, by then though it will be too late to do anything about it.

originally posted by: SeventhChapter
a reply to: Brassmonkey

The medical authority in the US and around the world have lost the respect of the people, with their unprecedented overreach and flip-flopping. The testing, the lockdowns, the restrictions, the fear driven propaganda.... They clearly either have no idea what they’re doing, or have some other agenda altogether.

So, so very true

a reply to: TonyS

Shame I can only give you a star for that.

originally posted by: JIMC5499

originally posted by: chr0naut
At the rates at which it spreads naturally, it would take years to infect everyone in the USA. At the current case mortality rate for the US, that would mean more than 5 million dead from COVID-19. So it is plain stupid to let nature take its course.

Really? Look at what you just said.

"At the rates at which it spreads naturally, it would take years to infect everyone in the USA."
So what was the big rush to shut down everything last year?

Because they are trying to stop it spreading to everyone in the country and for that many people to die.

If you stop it early, it has less of an impact and fewer people will die.

"At the current case mortality rate for the US, that would mean more than 5 million dead from COVID-19."
How do you validate that number?

According to the John's Hopkins COVID-19 dashboard, in the USA there have been 34,652,522 cases tested positive with COVID-19. On the same dashboard, there have also been 611,675 deaths attributed to COVID-19.

This gives a case fatality ratio (CFR) of 1.7651673376038834922318208181211 %, but you could round it down to 1.7%

According to Worldometer, the current population of the USA is 333,103,989. If everyone in the USA had COVID-19, then there would be 333,103,989 cases.

Using the previously calculated CFR for that many cases, shows that there would be 5,879,842 deaths for that population number.

It is known that COVID-19 was NOT the cause of death for most people. It was a contributing factor. Very few people died just from COVID. I saw a Death Certificate that listed "Traumatic Head Injury w/COVID-19" as the cause. The man died in a motorcycle accident. How many people died from complications because the Government and Media had them afraid to go to the Emergency Room? My Cousin is a Senior ICU nurse at our local hospital. At no time was their ICU at maximum capacity. I can go on and on. The USS Comfort was sent to New York City. It wasn't used. When this is far enough in the past, the numbers will be crunched and we will find out how we have been played, by then though it will be too late to do anything about it.

A fraction of a percent of cause of deaths are wrongly attributed. To suspect that every doctor across the USA is 'cooking the books', for no personal advantage to themselves, is a really, really, stupid thing to believe.

The vast majority of people who die from COVID-19 complications do so in a hospital, on a ventilator, with a team of doctors and medical staff around them, and from no other primary cause.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
There's zero data to support mask wearing has any influence on COVID at all.

Effectiveness of Face Masks in Preventing Airborne Transmission of SARS-CoV-2

a reply to: chr0naut

You

you stop it early, it has less of an impact and fewer people will die.

But it wasn’t stopped at all for the mean centers of population, and a new variant is on the rise…. Time for a third shot.