Fatal Heart Inflammation Officially Recognized as Being Caused by Pfizer Vax

a reply to: HawkEyi

Actually I asked you for numbers to show the risk is higher with the vaccine. You refuse to do so.

So if covid is more deadly and the vaccine lowers your risk of serious illness and death it shouldn't be taken?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: putnam6

Wait. We have a natural immunity breakthrough infection.

Got a link? all I could find on breakthrough infections are referring to those that have been vaccinated.

Or do you suspect we will have breakouts in those who have had COVID previously? Wouldn't we already see that happening if that was the case?


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An Israeli study of breakthrough infections following full BNT-Pfizer vaccination, 40% immunocompromised

Severe forms of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) linked to high mortality rates might arise in a minority of fully-vaccinated individuals with many co-occurring medical conditions, finds a recent study by Israeli researchers published in the journal Clinical Microbiology and Infection.

According to the Israeli Ministry of Health registry, by the end of April 2021, a total of 397 fully vaccinated patients were hospitalized with the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) after their second vaccine dose – with 234 of them suffering severe COVID-19 and 90 of them succumbing to the disease.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Why do most fight it off with no issue? Do we have innate immunity to sarscov2 from exposure to other corona viruses? What about vitamin d3, or zinc? Do those have an effect? Do ivermectin and HCQ have an effect? What about natural immunity form already being exposed to SARScov2? What percent of the population already had it and didn’t even realize it?

Depending on the answers to the above questions, why would you vehemently push an experimental medical treatment by its very nature, which destroys every cell utilized to manufacture the spike protein and therefore harms the body —before ensuring all of the above options were utilized and tested? What is the Hippocratic oath? Can you answer me definitively that these injections will not harm children long-term?

Please. Everyone pushing these vaccines on the entire human population, stop and think. What are the implications? Why not wait to find out? Most are not at risk and have already built up natural immunity. There is absolutely no sound argument to rush and vaccinate everyone before we are 100% sure this is safe. Anyone claiming this is 100% safe now at this point is lying.

a reply to: marg6043

Then he just tested positive for covid again, I guess the so call Delta, three days now, he said is just like the summer cold and the symptoms totally different, my daughter also had the same symptoms as him but two weeks before the 4 of july.

Wait, did he get the actual cold but still had the covid antibodies, or did he get Covid again?

Right now I have the usual cold. But it's not bad.


Also: I always test positive to Hepatitis B. No I dont have Hep-B, but i got 3 series of shots for Healthcare related work.
Here: www.cdc.gov...
Blood bank won't take my Type O- anymore.

And Chagas which I did get but not till after the 3 shot Hep Shots.

Edit: did any of that make sense to you. I've been very vague for preventing myself from getting sued on every web forum since the dawn of internet. I won't talk about medical diagnosis and such on the internet, because someone will find a lawsuit. Me We/They call it COVER YOUR ASS.

originally posted by: summer5
Reply for CHR0NAUT

No. Nothing mentioned. Just all her "specialist" Dr's are baffled. Her symptoms from a week after 2nd dose were UTI, back pain for 3 months treated with pain, antiinflammatory meds(she thought she hurt her back. I think it was her liver), non stop nose bleeds to the point she needed to have inside her nose to be cauterized, after no relief from her back issues had scans done when they found an enlarged spleen and liver. White count suddenly dropped extremely low, very tired, hard to walk from being out of breath to ending up in ICU weeks ago diagnosed with an enlarged heart and a flap that needs replacing. She retained so much fluid her arms and legs looked like they were going to pop. She's now waiting for open heart surgery.

I have had a lot of back problems over the years, but about six or seven years ago I figured out some of them were from my kidneys. Ibuprophin when taken for a week makes my kidneys spasm and hurt, I had thought that was problems with muscle spasms in the area but figured out that and a few foods make it do that....

I thought back over the years and I think that that accounted for about a quarter of the back pain I had during that time, I gave up ibuprophin and now take one aspirin and it does not happen nearly as much anymore. Bummer that I did not figure it out earlier.

a reply to: putnam6

The poster said he got covid twice. I replied to it. I would expect natural immunity to be similar to the vax, unlikely to get a reinfection except by variants like Delta.

a reply to: carewemust
Please watch this video: from what you describe as you wife's symptoms, it seems like she has these specific side effects (endothelial damage) from the shot. If that's the case. I'll pray for your wife.
citizenfreepress.com...

a reply to: Bigburgh

He tested positive for covid, but he said feels like a cold, he has a teen age daughter, she tested positive for covid too, but in her case she is having body aches and pains, beside the sore throat and fever.

That is one of the things my daughter finds weird, most of the people coming to the ER are testing positive but they have the same cold type symptoms.

a reply to: rickymouse


You have to be careful with over the counter pain killers, they are toxic to the liver and kidneys, I do not take any of them, I take natural pain killers I buy at the health store, they works just the same and no side effects.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: BatSars

What are the early symptoms? My wife has been getting tired easier since making the stupid decision to be vaccinated in June. This morning during our walk, she could hardly talk...short of breath...tired.

You need to take her to the doctor they can check easily for heart inflammation. Any time you have these symptoms doesn't hurt to get checked out. You said it was from June unlikely to be from the vaccine because her body would have stopped producing antibodies by now. In a small percentage of people, dysregulation can occur, where your immune system will attack you. your immune system has an auto-antibody formation, “meaning you develop antibodies to your own antigens,” which suggests an underlying or preexisting dysregulation.

Myocarditis usually goes away by itself within a couple of days to weeks. But if it does turn out she has it she will need to take something like Lisinopril or Ramipril.

originally posted by: Bigburgh
a reply to: BatSars

Oops,
I didn't type that right.

I said,
Thank you for signing up and becoming a member here on ATS ( Above Top Secret ).

You are distributing very good information.

Ahhh - that makes a LOT more sense. haha.

And thank you - I appreciate the kudos and am happy to be here. It's nice to be somewhere that has academia in mind AND conspiracy. That's not a combo I've found anywhere else and it's quite refreshing.

Great community so far.

originally posted by: Boadicea

As was I. Specifically, the age old ethic of "First, do NO harm." Not "First, just do a little bit of harm." Or "First, don't do too much harm." Nope. It's "NO harm".

Tell that to the doctor that refuses to prescribe pain medication because he's afraid of the government coming down on him. If they took "do NO harm" literally, they wouldn't prescribe very many things given that nearly everything in life has side effects.

But given that the phrase "Do no harm" is not found anywhere in the original Hippocratic Oath or the modern version, I think you've fallen prey to folklore and hyperbole.

What is in the modern Hippocratic Oath, however, is this: "I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure." It is preceded by this: "I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability."

The original calls upon the divine and swears by Apollo, Aesculapius, Hygeia, and Panacea. Forgive me if I have a hard time taking an oath seriously that takes "to witness all the gods" and goddesses. lol

Thank you for clarifying. So what you really want to know is just how much harm we can impose/inflict on others and still be "ethical." Gotcha.

Strawman. I never said that.

Oh... my bad. Apparently it's ethical up to the point of death? And then it becomes unethical? Have I got that right.

Or permanent damage, yes.

Of course "community" has place in weighing right from wrong, but your premise seems to be that there is only one "right" course of action for the community -- vaccination -- and that it's okay to harm some to for the benefit of others. We don't know who will react in what way to the vaccine, and even one death, even one long-term adverse outcome, even one person suffering needlessly, is too many.

Incorrect - my premise is NOT that there is only one right course of action. Yet another straw man. I'm more in favor of treatment than I am the vaccine given that we do not know what the long-term effects of the vaccine.

What I was referring to was A vaccine, not this vaccine. We were discussing moments when a vaccine mandate may be ethical, in my opinion. If a vaccine prevented thousands of deaths and the vaccines had only mild side effects, I don't see anything wrong with that. I'm fine with someone disagreeing with this because it's just my opinion, but please don't put words in my mouth.

There is plenty that we can do -- collectively, individually and officially -- to help everyone do what is best for themselves and their circumstances without forcing anyone to do anything.

We force people to do things all the time. It might be a little off base here, but we force people into confinement after committing petty crimes, we force them to pay fines, we force them to obtain state-sanctioned identification to vote, we force them to update their addresses on their driver's licenses, etc.

It would be a very difficult stance to take that we can do everything without forcing anyone to do anything. If that's not what you intended to say, then forgive me, but that's how I read it.

I appreciate that you are trying to reach a middle ground, but I just can't appreciate compromising or sacrificing anyone's well being in the process -- no matter how mild or benign it might seem.

I don't disagree with this statement yet stand firm in my opinion that community needs do have weight in decisions we make as individuals. The SCOTUS actually agrees too, btw. Not that it matters but there is legal justification for my process of thought.

At any rate, I appreciate your candor and civility!

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: BatSars

What are the early symptoms? My wife has been getting tired easier since making the stupid decision to be vaccinated in June. This morning during our walk, she could hardly talk...short of breath...tired.

Get her examined...... if not vaccine related, then could still be heart related. I had something similar and it took quite some effort and exageration to get the doctors to do the tests that found my valve insufficiency

originally posted by: BatSars
United States of America: Land of the Free-ish, home of the Naive. lol
a reply to: loam

They are pushing the vax in other nations too, and the people there are just as naive.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

A tad more analogist would be you go to a bar. Drink your cytotoxin laced cocktail. Go home without a concussion, however, 2 years later your immune system is so compromised that you're constantly sick and extremely susceptible to cancer.

Not knowing the long term effects of an experimental vaccine being injected into you is literally gambling you health in the future. Remember, there has NEVER been an FDA approved mRNA vaccine or even for that matter, ANY mRNA therapy has ever been FDA approved.

Granted, I do think mRNA will revolutionize medicine, however I think we are still decades away from it being as common as Aspirin. However, we have nearly a billion people currently in the largest clinical trial the world has ever seen.

a reply to: Bearack

In a few months we will have an FDA approved mRNA vaccine. Then what will your argument be?

Don't like mRNA, take a different vaccine, there are others.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: BatSars

What are the early symptoms? My wife has been getting tired easier since making the stupid decision to be vaccinated in June. This morning during our walk, she could hardly talk...short of breath...tired.

If her experience is anything like mine, it will go away, but takes a minute.

I got the shot - was fine (not even injection pain). Got the second shot and felt drunk for about 5 hours and woke up tired but not sick. I then felt run down and had some kind of cough/infection for what seemed like 6 weeks and I’m just now starting to feel “normal” again.

After reading more about how the shot works I’ve found fatigue and worse athletic output to be the most common. Coworker of mine was complaining they added 3 minutes t their normal run time after the shot.

I can say that for me, I’m feeling probably 90% of the energy I had pre-shot and I’m losing weight again. All others who I know that were fatigued are more-less back to where they were and improving.

Makes since given our bodies are fighting most anything in our bodies that’s deemed a virus/infection by our bodies - people are drained. As an odd aside, I was HUNGRY after my second shot. Like couldn’t satiate my appetite. That’s finally getting better now too.

a reply to: BatSars

Just a couple things...

I didn't mention the Hippocratic Oath, or attribute it to the Hippocratic Oath, but you are obviously quite aware that it has been attributed to the Oath, so you obviously are also quite aware that it is an age old ethic. I need not fall for anything to accept and adopt it as my ethic, and not simply in medical matters. It makes for a very good all-purpose guiding principle in life.

If you're determined to think that anyone has that kind of power over others, think long and hard about the law of unintended consequences. Your idea of what pain and suffering is acceptable will not be others' idea of how much pain and suffering is acceptable... absurdities quickly become atrocities. And once we go there, there's no going back.

I'll stick with "First, do NO harm."