Natural Immunity Vs. "Vaccine"--What Works Best?

a reply to: markymint

Yankees-Red Sox Game Postponed After Three Fully Vaccinated Pitchers Test Positive For Covid-19

www.thegatewaypundit.com...

When confirmed, it will bring the total of fully-"vaccinated" team members getting China Virus (post "vaccine) to 6.
One could argue that team "vaccination" is protecting nobody on the team from getting and spreading China Virus.

Considering that these are all young and healthy professional athletes with no comorbidities...they would've achieved natural immunity on their own with little to no risk.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Is that ill with it or just testing positive using the PCR test that picks up everything and tests mangos positive test?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: IAMTAT

Is that ill with it or just testing positive using the PCR test that picks up everything and tests mangos positive test?

LOL...I'm guessing PCR. The article doesn't say.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: IAMTAT

Is that ill with it or just testing positive using the PCR test that picks up everything and tests mangos positive test?

Of course, if PCR test was used...everything concerning accuracy would depend on the scan cycle threshold rate used.
Hopefully, the team doctor did not use 35-45 the CDC used to initially diagnose China Virus.

Since they were all "fully-vaccinated" the CT used was likely 28 or less.

a reply to: IAMTAT

I suppose it depends on how much they want to scare us with big, bad Delta doesn't it?

They want to drive home the message that it's dangerous, very, very bad, force the unvaxxed to get vaxxed, and they need a reason for folks like myself who are like, I had the shot, so what if you didn't, to be skeered again and demand measures.

So they need to make someone like me be afraid, be very afraid.

a reply to: ketsuko

I suppose what they really want is "vaxed" people like you to hate "unvaxed" people like me...and vice-versa.

You don't hate me, do you, K?

...cause I don't hate you.

a reply to: IAMTAT
The vaccines target leukocytes (natural defense system) not the virus.

Asymptomatic people (unvaxxed-healthy) can still donate blood to blood banks any day of the week.

People vaxed are asked to come two weeks after being vaxxed.

Blood banks and red cross aren't campaigning for blood and plasma donations like normal, despite the ongoing need.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Hence the marks around the word "vaccine" in my OP.

Well the process is the same, the anti bodies are basically the same, there is no gene therapy...lol

Both the mRNA and Virus produce spike protein the same way, The body reacts to both and does its thing. The big difference is the virus is in a massive production mode and its spike protein make new viruses while mRNA is limited its spike protein does nothing.

Now maybe one or the other will recognize more variants, but who knows...

originally posted by: MykeNukem

OP:

I trust my own immune system when it comes to colds or flu.

Well until you are in the hospital for weeks on the verge of death...lol You might be young, but there is a reason older people get the flu shot, as they would like to live longer.

originally posted by: ketsuko
The thought process with any vaccine should be risk/reward. What is the risk of me getting this disease v. the risk of taking this vaccine as there is always some risk in taking any vaccine. If the disease itself is more dangerous to you, then you take the vaccine.

That is the bottom-line here, but both my sons 18 and 21 got the vac while one of them had COVID already. They got it because they didn't give a crap about either the virus or vaccine, and getting the vaccine makes their life easier in different ways. People keep trying to make out that the vaccine is some life or death decision while they use other drugs etc that are much much worst like birth control pills..lol

I have yet to decide whether this is anything other than typical government overreach coupled with democrat power issues where they decide that if a thing is good, it's good for everyone NO MATTER WHAT. Don't delude yourselves; that is the impulse common to most every progressive piece of anything that comes out of Democrat governance.

Welcome to Goverment control...Wait until half the population is on subsistence living then they will tell you everything what or what not you can do. Many states outside of a few have been totally stupid in only protecting one's ass (political career) approach to everything. Because of this they decided that 70% vaccinated was the measurement for success with total disregard to young people and those who got it already. When the Goverment does surgery, as example, it uses a chainsaw approach, and people need to understand that.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: MykeNukem

OP:

I trust my own immune system when it comes to colds or flu.

Well until you are in the hospital for weeks on the verge of death...lol You might be young, but there is a reason older people get the flu shot, as they would like to live longer.

Sadly, vaccine didn't help my father...ten years ago, he got the flu vaccine...got the flu...got pneumonia...and died from pneumonia.
His cause of death was not listed as "Flu".

originally posted by: Salander
Natural immunity, acquired immunity, is superior to what most vaccines can provide.

These shots are not true vaccines.

I think you just pulled that out of your butt... We can test it... Go get Ebola and I'll get the mRNA vaccine for it and we can see which one does better.

But I guess a better way to say your statement is what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, so go roll the dice my friend...lol

originally posted by: IAMTAT

I suppose what they really want is "vaxed" people like you to hate "unvaxed" people like me...and vice-versa.

You don't hate me, do you, K?

...cause I don't hate you.

If you are like under 40 and healthy I say good choice, if you are over 40 and/or have preexisting conditions I would say you need to relook at the risk to reward.

In the end I'm vacced so why should I care about you unvacced one way or another, that part I don't get. I might be a health risk to you by having COVID in me and not really knowing it, but its your choice and if you stand next to me without a mask its all on you.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

Sadly, vaccine didn't help my father...ten years ago, he got the flu vaccine...got the flu...got pneumonia...and died from pneumonia.
His cause of death was not listed as "Flu".

Sorry to hear...well in the end the flu and COVID isn't what kills you... In your father's case they basically spin a wheel of fortune as to what they think the flu variants will be and they give you like 3 different ones. It is hit or miss and they miss a good deal sad to say.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: ketsuko

I suppose what they really want is "vaxed" people like you to hate "unvaxed" people like me...and vice-versa.

You don't hate me, do you, K?

...cause I don't hate you.

I'm getting tired of the rhetoric and scare tactics on both sides. It's just ridiculous.

The problem is not the vaccine as such... the problem is the delivery system.

Before its emergency authorization, it has only ever been used in animal tests, never humans.

My gf, who is a genetisist told me the way they used to do test in animals during her studies is that they have a lot of subjects and then they discard the ones who doesnt show a positive result towards the goal.
Because they had so many test subjects they werent specifically focused on the delivery system.

But she told me that mRNA breaks down very easily.

The real problem is this shell with the spike.
The code inside the shell tells our immune system how to react isnt the problem.

The lipid can traverse into the bloodstream if you are unlucky... and the spike can break off, become free roaming and lodge itself in tissue.

The code inside the delivery system does more or less the same as what the live virus does, sans the delivery system.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: MykeNukem

OP:

I trust my own immune system when it comes to colds or flu.

Well until you are in the hospital for weeks on the verge of death...lol You might be young, but there is a reason older people get the flu shot, as they would like to live longer.

What's that have to do with me?

I'm 47, haven't had the flu in at least 20 years.

I don't plan on getting the flu shot when I'm older, either.

If I die because of that decision, tough titty for me.

Did you see anywhere where I said I was against the flu shot?

Me either...

ETA: I love the way you added a ".....lol" after talking about me being on the verge of death.

Made me feel warm.

a reply to: loveguy
In the UK it is 28 days AFTER any symptoms have gone and that includes 28 days AFTER your sore arm has gone!
Will there be a shortage of blood?

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The problem is, the virus is overpowering people's immunity and killing them. Hence over 4 million deaths thus far. I'd rather not play Russian roullete with my life and contract it, that's why I got the vaccine.

Odds are, given the history of natural immunity vs. vaccine immunity is that natural will prove to be the "more effective and longer lasting". This has been true with nearly ALL vaccinate-able diseases (measles, chicken pox, pertussis etc.). Nobody until COVID was disputing this.

The issue historically and argument by the medical community, and this is a legitimate issue with many diseases, has been that the RISK of getting the disease and thus getting the immunity the natural way was significantly high enough that it wasn't worth intentionally letting yourself risk getting the disease.

This is not the case with COVID. There are literally hundreds of millions that now have the natural immunity without having experience any real issue nor did they put themselves at any real risk due to their demographic. The ones that have experienced issues have been almost entirely elderly or high-risk demographics.

This is why many many are opting for accepting the risk, getting a stronger long-term immune response, and just not getting this vax. There are many many who have been vaccinated for the higher risk things and are not anti-vax as they keep trying to paint them.

They just don't feel the need for this one, especially in it's emergency use form. Even after approval, for MOST of the population, the risk is similar to flu, so they will probably continue to have limited vaccination rates in the most robust demographics as it is with the flu.

But they shouldn't be downplaying the efficacy of natural immunity. It's dishonest and makes people further question the motives of authority.