Corona Virus Updates

a reply to: ketsuko

Removing them from a quarantine is fine but they need to regulate the process. Don’t use civilian airliners, repurpose something, put them in military housing for a couple weeks, even a hospital ship in the ocean. You don’t let them stretch their legs at airports and come into contact with other civilians.

I’m all for it because if you get some who are infected you can see this disease from beginning to end and gather valuable data. Plus they’ll get much better medical intervention from our people if they develop a pulmonary or inflammatory syndrome from the disease.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Just remember, this is how we got the dossier too. One news outlet picked it up and everyone else ran with it assuming it had been verified because of the first source.

True, but that was in the middle of a media race to find dirt... as far as the Wuhan Pox is concerned, it's disturbing to see how much the media is trying to avoid finding any dirt and how eerily quick they all seem to be to latch onto official narratives without question, so the Australian media doing something different stands out a lot more to me.

a reply to: WeAllWait Viral rate spread has been slow with only few infected or suspected outside of mainland China there is however likelihood of many more asymptomatic spreaders not yet counted for. The recovering outside of mainland China seem to be well with no cases of death yet.

As it has been mentioned before nobody really knows how at what rate virus is progressing and when it will start slowing. I think within the next week or we will see a short spike in isolated suspected cases and infections but the infection spread slows down exponentially at the latter part but there will still be a risk of becoming infected.

Worst case scenario is that the virus is not showing signs or slowing and infection/mortality rates go up elsewhere and most concerning is possible viral mutation as this virus could mutate in to new and potentially more deadly strain though adversely it could make a less volatile strain that it is which would be good news. We also have to consider whether this strain could pose a threat to livestock and pets for example there is also a potential for a mutation that could cross over.

I'm not sure if it is confirmed whether domestic or livestock animals can be infected by the Coronavirus so source me if so. Bats are carriers apparently.

It's a new and unknown viral strain everyone is becoming a little bit fearful of so observation right now is key. Remember morality rates are higher in those who are very young or old or those who suffer from immune conditions or other underlying conditions that could prove fatal for these groups. As far as we know chronic pneumonia and heart conditions are the big causes of death and in small cases other conditions.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

''cured is hell''

I've read a couple of reports that explain

- We do not 'cure/beat' the virus, we bring a persons immune response up to the required level to fight it on its own
- The quantity of drugs administered is damaging intestines and the stomach lining of patients
- People who are severely inflicted have collapsed lungs and are placed into a coma

Take it for what its worth, there's no proof - this is just online talk from apparent family and friends

a reply to: fatalxception

It stinks because that data is useless, we don’t know any public health or patient history from these patients. Early studies with small samples and similar data did state that many had underlying chronic conditions that weaken the immune system and could cause them to go into sepsis from abnormal signaling.

We have much better treatment protocols for treating inflammation, as long as we don’t run out of supplies or resources.

when we see 7000+ infected currently, are we only looking at the number of people who are currently showing symptoms? If people can go 14 days being asymptomatic, while being able to spread the virus, then our current infected numbers are possibly 14 days old, with a virus that increases its infected rate at about 1.5x per day.
Not be uber doom-porny but if that's the case, we could be rocking a 3.5M+ infected rate currently.

As one member noted, how many have died in their own homes not yet listed as deceased.

China's and world government's reaction to the crisis doesn't need an overactive imagination to conclude something very very serious is going on

Throw in China's human rights record, the WHO being affiliated with the UN (what a joke), The collective interest of nations to preserve the global
markets (no matter what)
I think its fair and reasonable to assume it's worse than what's being reported.

This sickness is completely new to the human body and biosphere


Though i'm hoping the poster will be correct who stated as it sweeps through western nations our over all health and medical services will dull its effect

a reply to: fatalxception

the real concern is the 1000's of people who were turned away from hospitals LAST WEEK because they were full

none of them were tested, they were told to go home and self isolate.

Now, people are locking them inside their own homes so they cannot come out

Just in I think 3 hours ago:

WHO to hold 2nd emergency meeting

www3.nhk.or.jp...

The World Health Organization says it will hold its second emergency meeting on Thursday to assess whether the coronavirus outbreak constitutes an international health emergency.

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said, "The continued increase in cases and evidence of human-to-human transmission outside China is deeply concerning. Although the numbers outside China are still relatively small, they hold the potential for a much larger outbreak."

The UN health agency held its first emergency meeting a week ago. It concluded it was too early to declare an international health emergency. At that point in the outbreak, human-to-human transmission had been discovered only in China.

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a reply to: Agit8dChop

The last point is concerning because if that starts to occur it means a few things. It’s how SARS killed people. It means there is significant exposure to virus in the lower airway, they are developing significant amounts of mucous and probably blood and they are suffering acute lung injury which either ruptures part of the lung causing it to collapse or the alveoli (air sacs) are getting stuck together and unable to operate. Chances of this increase substantially if they have prior lung injury or disease that impacts circulation or the airway.

The second bullet is pretty normal for severe infections, it’s a side effect of systemic inflammatory signaling that could be compounded by drugs.

The first one is spot on, if they’re not actively looking for and treating inflammation and eventual sepsis, the patient is looking at terrible survival rates, only 2/3 survive with treatment as they go into septic shock and blood pressure/perfusion crash leading to coma and cardiac arrest.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

that's terrifying. Sounds like we are gonna see a huge spike in numbers across the board. Well, if they get reported, that is.

Bus tour guide in Osaka infected with coronavirus

Well since I live here and Osaka as you all may know is a big city and high density living conditions. This is just in and to be honest with you, I'm going out today and stock up on some can foods. What many Japanese do not know is that many of the vegetable processing places (the pre-package cabbage, lettuce and salads) have young Chinese workers in there. (proof, well I worked in one ) and they mostly go back to China for the New Year holiday. So if they are returning now with the virus, seriously people , the unknown may just happen. I know there are a few of us living in Japan, China, Vietnam and maybe Thailand on this forum and we are most likely to be informed what is "really" happening.

The report: Hey guys just been warned of my post. Mistake so here is the link : www3.nhk.or.jp...


Japan's health ministry officials say a female bus tour guide living in Osaka has been confirmed infected with the new coronavirus.

This is the eighth confirmed infection in Japan.

The officials say the tour guide in her 40s tested positive for the virus on Wednesday.

They say she complained of symptoms, including fever and a cough, before going to a clinic. She is currently hospitalized.

They note she was on a bus with tourists from Wuhan, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak. It was driven by a driver in his 60s from Nara Prefecture who was confirmed infected on Tuesday.

As the tour guide did not travel abroad in the past month, health officials believe it likely that she was infected in Japan.

Official China report for the last day

At 04:00 on January 29, 31 provinces (autonomous regions and municipalities) and the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps reported 1737 new confirmed cases (the first confirmed case in Tibet), 131 new severe cases, and 38 new deaths. (37 cases in Hubei and 1 in Sichuan), 21 new cases were cured and discharged, and 4148 suspected cases were added.
　　As of 24:00 on January 29, the National Health and Health Commission has received a cumulative report of 7711 confirmed cases, 31 cases of severe cases, 170 death cases, and a total of 170 patients who have been cured and discharged. There were 124 cases with 12,167 suspected cases.
　　At present, 88,693 close contacts have been tracked. Of the 2,364 people who were released from medical observation on the same day, a total of 81,947 people are receiving medical observation.
　　A total of 25 confirmed cases were reported in Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan: 10 in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, 7 in the Macao Special Administrative Region, and 8 in Taiwan.

www.nhc.gov.cn...

a reply to: burdman30ott6
Great way to fake ones death.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

So refuse to get sent somewhere all the time just in case there happens to be a problem in the meantime?

If you accept a six month assignment to an otherwise stable country, there is no way you could have seen something like this coming down the pike to even have had the chance to refuse.

Now if your boss comes to you today and asks you to go? Different story.

a reply to: Dolby_X

yikes

new update -

7811 confirmed

a reply to: musicismagic

Likely she and the driver both got it from the tourists.

a reply to: Dolby_X

So based on what we’re hearing and sifting through their filth, 7,711 confirmed cases, 12,167 cases we could not test for some reason, we can just add 88,693 and 81,947 together for people turned away who could be sick but we’ll just do some watchful waiting and label them as “tracked or under observation.”

Now if we only knew how many hospitals are reporting and have direct real time data connections to their public health system.

@Reuters

China's two emergency hospitals to deal with the coronavirus are rapidly progressing.

Video clip: twitter.com...

Reminds me of ant colonies which also build very quickly.

a reply to: deviant300


Good work and thanks for including substance to your argument.

Your concern for spread to animals and surrounding beings is warranted.
The Coronaviridae family is sickeningly deep. These nasty buggers seem to infect any and everything.

Southern China, 2017-2018: 20,000 dead piglets

Sound familiar? Mutated human corona virus that was was eventually sourced to bats.

Check this out.

If you read the research of all the scientific teams over the years you can make all these links.

It is going to either have to mutate or die right here.