Does this "continued vote counting" in some states reek of voter fraud or what?!

originally posted by: stosh64

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: Greven

My response is what will YOU believe? What news sources will YOU listen to?
How can someone get real evidence?

Hannity's opinions aren't evidence of electoral fraud.
The President's opinions aren't evidence of electoral fraud.
Cries that Democrat votes come in late (as is typical of urban areas) isn't evidence of electoral fraud.

A video might be evidence of electoral fraud, if it can be proved that it was shot where it is alleged and is showing what is alleged.

The only problem with that is they will NOT let people film.

Matt Gaetz ‏ Verified account
BREAKING:I took this video as the riot police removed me from where trucks were secretly loading stuff in/out of Broward Supervisors office. All this while they are violating constitutional rights & a court order!

Gaetz Twitter
The video of Gaetz being forced to stop filming the shady goings on is at the link.

Hmm... so the police are in cahoots with the Democrats?

a reply to: Greven

No, Not Sheriff Israel. He is above reproach.

LMFAO

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: Greven

You have dismissed everything that anyone has posted on this thread.
Tell me,how can an average person get their hands on "real" evidence?

You provided a link to a site that has other links, most of which are opinion.

The only potential evidence is that video. I've provided a number of links throughout this thread, and people mostly ignore them.

Links that people have provided, well I think I have commented on all of them

a reply to: Greven

Greven- " Oh, so you would prefer electronic votes which can be altered at the whim of liberals who are more college-educated and much more savvy about technology? 

No thanks. "


Anne- "
She held them in storage for 12 months. 

Yes, it was a mistake -- cuz it should have been 22 months. 

They're still available digitally."


You defy you're own logic by not having issue with an election official who has been charged in the past of something you supposedly fear. Now take in account the shenanigans playing out in this ladies office and you just cant make a connection to what is happening, okay their buddy!

originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: Greven

Greven- " Oh, so you would prefer electronic votes which can be altered at the whim of liberals who are more college-educated and much more savvy about technology? 

No thanks. "


Anne- "
She held them in storage for 12 months. 

Yes, it was a mistake -- cuz it should have been 22 months. 

They're still available digitally."


You defy you're own logic by not having issue with an election official who has been charged in the past of something you supposedly fear. Now take in account the shenanigans playing out in this ladies office and you just cant make a connection to what is happening, okay their buddy!

Perhaps you missed this bit:

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Hey...anyone remember when Broward election supervisor, Brenda Snipes:

Broward elections supervisor illegally destroyed ballots in Wasserman Schultz race, judge rules

...which were ALSO evidence in a court case;

The ballots were the subject of a pending lawsuit, so it would take a court order from the judge in the case to allow their destruction.

www.sun-sentinel.com...

She should have been removed then. How did she get office in the first place?

Who is Brenda Snipes, the Broward County supervisor of elections?

Republican Gov. Jeb Bush asked Snipes to serve as Supervisor of Elections in Broward County – Florida's second-most populous county – nearly 15 years ago.

Broward County has about 1.15 million voters, second only to Miami-Dade’s at about 1.4 million.

Snipes was formally appointed on Nov. 20, 2003, to replace former County Supervisor Miriam Oliphant, who was escorted out of her office and removed from her job.

CBS Miami reported while Oliphant was in office, uncounted votes were found in a cabinet drawer, and the department went a million dollars over budget.

Snipes was reelected in 2004, 2008, 2012 and 2016.

She has lived in Broward County since 1964.

Curious that a Republican appointed her.

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: stosh64

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: Greven

My response is what will YOU believe? What news sources will YOU listen to?
How can someone get real evidence?

Hannity's opinions aren't evidence of electoral fraud.
The President's opinions aren't evidence of electoral fraud.
Cries that Democrat votes come in late (as is typical of urban areas) isn't evidence of electoral fraud.

A video might be evidence of electoral fraud, if it can be proved that it was shot where it is alleged and is showing what is alleged.

The only problem with that is they will NOT let people film.

Matt Gaetz ‏ Verified account
BREAKING:I took this video as the riot police removed me from where trucks were secretly loading stuff in/out of Broward Supervisors office. All this while they are violating constitutional rights & a court order!

Gaetz Twitter
The video of Gaetz being forced to stop filming the shady goings on is at the link.

Hmm... so the police are in cahoots with the Democrats?

You asked for video evidence, I showed they are not allowing video to be taken.

So now I need to prove the police are complicit to you?

You see nothing wrong with that video?
Here is my shocked face

Do some research on Broward Sheriff Scott Israel.

a reply to: Greven

No, I saw you trying to blame the appointer which is illogical and immaterial to the point that you still dont make a connection to current day deferment of duties in this election.

originally posted by: stosh64

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: stosh64

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: Greven

My response is what will YOU believe? What news sources will YOU listen to?
How can someone get real evidence?

Hannity's opinions aren't evidence of electoral fraud.
The President's opinions aren't evidence of electoral fraud.
Cries that Democrat votes come in late (as is typical of urban areas) isn't evidence of electoral fraud.

A video might be evidence of electoral fraud, if it can be proved that it was shot where it is alleged and is showing what is alleged.

The only problem with that is they will NOT let people film.

Matt Gaetz ‏ Verified account
BREAKING:I took this video as the riot police removed me from where trucks were secretly loading stuff in/out of Broward Supervisors office. All this while they are violating constitutional rights & a court order!

Gaetz Twitter
The video of Gaetz being forced to stop filming the shady goings on is at the link.

Hmm... so the police are in cahoots with the Democrats?

You asked for video evidence, I showed they are not allowing video to be taken.

So now I need to prove the police are complicit to you?

You see nothing wrong with that video?
Here is my shocked face

Do some research on Broward Sheriff Scott Israel.

It's a simple remark.

To evaluate the evidence, well... the video is alleged to be taken in 2018, in Broward County, and that those are ballots.
Are those all true?

Okay,I went all the way back to the beginning of this thread.
Creven,the few links that you posted were from MSM sources.
Even in my limited mental faculties,I do not use the following...
Main Stream Media,Google,Facebook...I have been taught to
question everything and believe very little of what I read.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

"By any means necessary!"

Why is it always thousands upon thousands of democrat votes that get discovered after the election? Why not republican votes? In FLA they found 80,000 votes. Then found out they were 82,000 short of winning. "Oh no, lock the doors and start filling out more ballots..."

originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: Greven

No, I saw you trying to blame the appointer which is illogical and immaterial to the point that you still dont make a connection to current day deferment of duties in this election.

I said she should have been removed then.

I was curious as to her history in office and posted what I found. Given that people in this thread are saying she's a Democrat, I thought it interesting that a Republican appointed her.

Can you imagine vote counters breaking the law, not allowing external inspection, "finding new ballots" without a chain of custody several times, having an emergency order issued to force them to share how many total ballots they have and to open for inspectors and to release information? The judge says, "once again, this county is screwing this up".

And it's not news anywhere? If the shoe was on the other foot it would (rightly) be all we heard about.

Now imagine they didn't just ignore the law and refuse access to observers and to issue information as an "innocent mistake" , but continue to refuse access after the court issues the emergency order to compel them. Would anyone offer excuses?


This is what is happening right now. None of those things are theories or based on random internet videos or anonymous sources.

originally posted by: mamabeth
Okay,I went all the way back to the beginning of this thread.
Creven,the few links that you posted were from MSM sources.
Even in my limited mental faculties,I do not use the following...
Main Stream Media,Google,Facebook...I have been taught to
question everything and believe very little of what I read.

Again the infatuation with 'sources.' Why?

Why do you not care about evidence? Why do you only care about who cites said evidence?

originally posted by: RadioRobert
Can you imagine vote counters breaking the law, not allowing external inspection, "finding new ballots" without a chain of custody several times, having an emergency order issued to force them to share how many total ballots they have and to open for inspectors and to release information? The judge says, "once again, this county is screwing this up".

And it's not news anywhere? If the shoe was on the other foot it would (rightly) be all we heard about.

Now imagine they didn't just ignore the law and refuse to issue information as an "innocent mistake" , but continue to refuse access after the court issues the emergency order to compel them. Would anyone offer excuses?


This is what is happening right now. None of those things are theories or based on random internet videos or anonymous sources.

Again,
Timeline: 2018 Florida Election Reporting, Recount and Certification

Nov. 6: General Election Day

In each respective Florida county's time zone, preliminary election night returns are due no later than 7:30 p.m. – a half hour after polls close – and in 45-minute increments following until all results are completely reported.

Provisional and overseas vote-by-mail ballots do not fall under that category.

Nov. 8: Provisional Ballot Deadline

The deadline for provisional ballots to count – requiring evidence of eligibility – is 5 p.m. on Nov. 8.

Nov. 10: Deadline for First Unofficial Returns

County canvassing boards are required to turn in first unofficial returns no later than noon on Nov. 10. The decision on whether a machine recount is required is determined by the Florida Secretary of State and the Divison of Elections.

A machine recount is legally required under Florida law for federal, state or multicounty races or issues if the margin between candidates/issues is below 0.5 percent.

The results of the machine recount are declared as the second set of unofficial returns.

Nov. 15: Deadline for Machine Recount Results

The results of the machine recount, determined to be the second set of unofficial returns, are due no later than 3 p.m. on Nov. 15.

At that point, the Florida Secretary of State and the Divison of Elections will determine whether the returns of those results meet the statutory threshold for a manual recount.

A manual recount is legally required under Florida law for federal, state or multicounty races or issues if the margin between candidates/issues is below 0.25 percent.

Nov. 16: Overseas Ballots Deadline

In compliance with the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act, the deadline in Florida for overseas ballots from applicable military and civilian is Nov. 16.

The ballots must be postmarked or signed and dated on or before the Nov. 6 Election Day.

Nov. 18: Official Returns Deadline

County canvassing boards have a noon deadline on Nov. 18 to produce official returns.

Nov. 20: Official Returns Certified

The Elections Canvassing Commission, which is made up of the Florida governor and two members of the Florida Cabinet selected by the governor, meet in Tallahassee at 9 a.m. on Nov. 20 to certify the official returns from federal, state and multi-county offices

'Finding' more votes is likely to happen until at most the 16th in many precincts, when overseas ballots are due.

Do you not want our troops to vote?

a reply to: Greven

Evidence? How can the average person get any real evidence?
I am not a reporter,I am not an investigator,I am an old granny.
Please,tell me how I can get any real evidence?

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: Greven

No, I saw you trying to blame the appointer which is illogical and immaterial to the point that you still dont make a connection to current day deferment of duties in this election.

I said she should have been removed then.

I was curious as to her history in office and posted what I found. Given that people in this thread are saying she's a Democrat, I thought it interesting that a Republican appointed her.

That is how corruption gets a foothold. They use a sympathetic republican (in name only), to "recommend" a person they have in mind, which is of course, a democrat with corrupt intentions. This also works in reverse mode as well and has been happening.

Republicans and democrats conspire together and pretend to represent America, but only represent their own self interests, while telling the people they are trying but the other side stopped them. Saw this happen with Bush, and especially with Obama.

But these voting fraud things are far more blatant and insidious and should be punished with deadly force. Oh, yeah, the democrats don't seem to ever get prosecuted too much, because of the dirt they have on those on the other side who help them.

originally posted by: Greven
Do you not want our troops to vote?

That's your big takeaway? LOL

That's your best attempt to brush away the crimes currently taking place?





I hope CTR gets a refund

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Regardless, I think some scholars have even presented evidence that as far back as Lyndon Johnson elections were being rigged.
a reply to: DBCowboy

It makes me wish I could go back in time and trust what NBC, the nightly news was telling me and to scoff at conspiracy theorists.

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: Greven

Evidence? How can the average person get any real evidence?
I am not a reporter,I am not an investigator,I am an old granny.
Please,tell me how I can get any real evidence?

You've already provided one piece of evidence in that link.

If the claim that it's from Broward County in 2018 and what is being filmed is ballots, then it could be a strong piece of evidence for electoral fraud.

Other crap in this thread has not been near that.

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven
Do you not want our troops to vote?

That's your big takeaway? LOL

That's your best attempt to brush away the crimes currently taking place?

I hope CTR gets a refund

You've completely brushed away the actual deadlines for ballots in favor of embracing an idea that the ENEMY TEAM is stealing a WIN from YOUR TEAM.

What's 'CTR'?