Does this "continued vote counting" in some states reek of voter fraud or what?!

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert
Can you imagine vote counters breaking the law, not allowing external inspection, "finding new ballots" without a chain of custody several times, having an emergency order issued to force them to share how many total ballots they have and to open for inspectors and to release information? The judge says, "once again, this county is screwing this up".

And it's not news anywhere? If the shoe was on the other foot it would (rightly) be all we heard about.

Now imagine they didn't just ignore the law and refuse to issue information as an "innocent mistake" , but continue to refuse access after the court issues the emergency order to compel them. Would anyone offer excuses?


This is what is happening right now. None of those things are theories or based on random internet videos or anonymous sources.

Again,
Timeline: 2018 Florida Election Reporting, Recount and Certification

Nov. 6: General Election Day

In each respective Florida county's time zone, preliminary election night returns are due no later than 7:30 p.m. – a half hour after polls close – and in 45-minute increments following until all results are completely reported.

Provisional and overseas vote-by-mail ballots do not fall under that category.

Nov. 8: Provisional Ballot Deadline

The deadline for provisional ballots to count – requiring evidence of eligibility – is 5 p.m. on Nov. 8.

Nov. 10: Deadline for First Unofficial Returns

County canvassing boards are required to turn in first unofficial returns no later than noon on Nov. 10. The decision on whether a machine recount is required is determined by the Florida Secretary of State and the Divison of Elections.

A machine recount is legally required under Florida law for federal, state or multicounty races or issues if the margin between candidates/issues is below 0.5 percent.

The results of the machine recount are declared as the second set of unofficial returns.

Nov. 15: Deadline for Machine Recount Results

The results of the machine recount, determined to be the second set of unofficial returns, are due no later than 3 p.m. on Nov. 15.

At that point, the Florida Secretary of State and the Divison of Elections will determine whether the returns of those results meet the statutory threshold for a manual recount.

A manual recount is legally required under Florida law for federal, state or multicounty races or issues if the margin between candidates/issues is below 0.25 percent.

Nov. 16: Overseas Ballots Deadline

In compliance with the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act, the deadline in Florida for overseas ballots from applicable military and civilian is Nov. 16.

The ballots must be postmarked or signed and dated on or before the Nov. 6 Election Day.

Nov. 18: Official Returns Deadline

County canvassing boards have a noon deadline on Nov. 18 to produce official returns.

Nov. 20: Official Returns Certified

The Elections Canvassing Commission, which is made up of the Florida governor and two members of the Florida Cabinet selected by the governor, meet in Tallahassee at 9 a.m. on Nov. 20 to certify the official returns from federal, state and multi-county offices

'Finding' more votes is likely to happen until at most the 16th in many precincts, when overseas ballots are due.

Do you not want our troops to vote?

Actually (and once again) every other precinct in Florida has all votes accounted for by the deadline (30 minutes after the closure of the polls). What you are misstating is the rule that allows for counting of already-accounted-for votes only.

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven
Do you not want our troops to vote?

That's your big takeaway? LOL

That's your best attempt to brush away the crimes currently taking place?

I hope CTR gets a refund

You've completely brushed away the actual deadlines for ballots

What does a judge saying vote counters are breaking the law, ordering them to stop breaking it, and they still refuse have to do with ballot deadlines. Nothing. Are you a bot? Or is English not your first language? Both?

originally posted by: timequake

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert
Can you imagine vote counters breaking the law, not allowing external inspection, "finding new ballots" without a chain of custody several times, having an emergency order issued to force them to share how many total ballots they have and to open for inspectors and to release information? The judge says, "once again, this county is screwing this up".

And it's not news anywhere? If the shoe was on the other foot it would (rightly) be all we heard about.

Now imagine they didn't just ignore the law and refuse to issue information as an "innocent mistake" , but continue to refuse access after the court issues the emergency order to compel them. Would anyone offer excuses?


This is what is happening right now. None of those things are theories or based on random internet videos or anonymous sources.

Again,
Timeline: 2018 Florida Election Reporting, Recount and Certification

Nov. 6: General Election Day

In each respective Florida county's time zone, preliminary election night returns are due no later than 7:30 p.m. – a half hour after polls close – and in 45-minute increments following until all results are completely reported.

Provisional and overseas vote-by-mail ballots do not fall under that category.

Nov. 8: Provisional Ballot Deadline

The deadline for provisional ballots to count – requiring evidence of eligibility – is 5 p.m. on Nov. 8.

Nov. 10: Deadline for First Unofficial Returns

County canvassing boards are required to turn in first unofficial returns no later than noon on Nov. 10. The decision on whether a machine recount is required is determined by the Florida Secretary of State and the Divison of Elections.

A machine recount is legally required under Florida law for federal, state or multicounty races or issues if the margin between candidates/issues is below 0.5 percent.

The results of the machine recount are declared as the second set of unofficial returns.

Nov. 15: Deadline for Machine Recount Results

The results of the machine recount, determined to be the second set of unofficial returns, are due no later than 3 p.m. on Nov. 15.

At that point, the Florida Secretary of State and the Divison of Elections will determine whether the returns of those results meet the statutory threshold for a manual recount.

A manual recount is legally required under Florida law for federal, state or multicounty races or issues if the margin between candidates/issues is below 0.25 percent.

Nov. 16: Overseas Ballots Deadline

In compliance with the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act, the deadline in Florida for overseas ballots from applicable military and civilian is Nov. 16.

The ballots must be postmarked or signed and dated on or before the Nov. 6 Election Day.

Nov. 18: Official Returns Deadline

County canvassing boards have a noon deadline on Nov. 18 to produce official returns.

Nov. 20: Official Returns Certified

The Elections Canvassing Commission, which is made up of the Florida governor and two members of the Florida Cabinet selected by the governor, meet in Tallahassee at 9 a.m. on Nov. 20 to certify the official returns from federal, state and multi-county offices

'Finding' more votes is likely to happen until at most the 16th in many precincts, when overseas ballots are due.

Do you not want our troops to vote?

Actually (and once again) every other precinct in Florida has all votes accounted for by the deadline (30 minutes after the closure of the polls). What you are misstating is the rule that allows for counting of already-accounted-for votes only.

Again,

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: timequake

Strange that you only mention three states. What about Georgia, where the person who is ahead was in charge of the election and a whole lot of disturbing evidence has emerged about that election? Why not mention that I wonder? Oh well, moving on...

Florida (one...), Arizona (two...), Georgia (three....) Yay!!! And in that state, no sir, the person in charge in GA does not count the ballots, the supervisor of elections does. All he would do (had he not resigned from that role to dispel partiality) is certify the votes.

Problem with your explanation: they weren't yet elected by a narrow margin as the vote count had not completed, because the election boards had not returned official counts. The Florida official election count is not yet done. Projections by media outlets aren't final decisions on elections.



Is it the 20th yet? Then the counts are not official. They aren't yet elected.
They aren't 'post deadline votes.'

Your understanding and that of those in this thread is flawed.

That is the deadline for counting them, not for magically discovering new ones. That deadline was 30 minutes after the polls closed.

Apologies, that wasn't clear.

Ballots are due for... what 30 minutes after the polls close?

That sounds in conflict with this:
Election Day Voting

The polls are open on Election Day, from 7 a.m. until 7 p.m. Any voters waiting in line at 7:00 p.m. will have the opportunity to cast a ballot.

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven
Do you not want our troops to vote?

That's your big takeaway? LOL

That's your best attempt to brush away the crimes currently taking place?

I hope CTR gets a refund

You've completely brushed away the actual deadlines for ballots

What does a judge saying vote counters are breaking the law, ordering them to stop breaking it, and they still refuse have to do with ballot deadlines. Nothing. Are you a bot? Or is English not your first language? Both?

The judge is saying they are violating open records law. The deadline was an hour ago, today. Did they meet that?

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: timequake

Strange that you only mention three states. What about Georgia, where the person who is ahead was in charge of the election and a whole lot of disturbing evidence has emerged about that election? Why not mention that I wonder? Oh well, moving on...

Florida (one...), Arizona (two...), Georgia (three....) Yay!!! And in that state, no sir, the person in charge in GA does not count the ballots, the supervisor of elections does. All he would do (had he not resigned from that role to dispel partiality) is certify the votes.

Problem with your explanation: they weren't yet elected by a narrow margin as the vote count had not completed, because the election boards had not returned official counts. The Florida official election count is not yet done. Projections by media outlets aren't final decisions on elections.



Is it the 20th yet? Then the counts are not official. They aren't yet elected.
They aren't 'post deadline votes.'

Your understanding and that of those in this thread is flawed.

That is the deadline for counting them, not for magically discovering new ones. That deadline was 30 minutes after the polls closed.

Apologies, that wasn't clear.

Ballots are due for... what 30 minutes after the polls close?

That sounds in conflict with this:
Election Day Voting

The polls are open on Election Day, from 7 a.m. until 7 p.m. Any voters waiting in line at 7:00 p.m. will have the opportunity to cast a ballot.

Its isn't. Those in line are accounted for. The closure rule is for votes coming in via mail or other provisional ballots.

The deadline to request that a vote-by-mail ballot be mailed is no later than 5 p.m. on the 6th day before the election. However, the ballot must still be received by the Supervisor of Elections no later than 7 p.m. on Election Day if the voted ballot is to count. Exceptions exist for overseas military and civilian voters.

Vote-by-Mail - Florida Division of Elections

And

A voted vote-by-mail ballot must be returned by mail, in person or through someone else on behalf of the voter so that it is received no later than 7 p.m. in the county in which the voter is registered. An overseas voter has the option to also return by fax his or her voted ballot and signed Voter’s Certificate. If the overseas voter faxes back the ballot and certificate, it must be faxed directly to the fax number provided by the Supervisor of Elections or to a fax number provided by Federal Voting Assistance Program of the Department of Defense.

Military and Overseas Citizens - Florida Division of Elections

Seems pretty clear cut to me.

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven
Do you not want our troops to vote?

That's your big takeaway? LOL

That's your best attempt to brush away the crimes currently taking place?

I hope CTR gets a refund

You've completely brushed away the actual deadlines for ballots

What does a judge saying vote counters are breaking the law, ordering them to stop breaking it, and they still refuse have to do with ballot deadlines. Nothing. Are you a bot? Or is English not your first language? Both?

The judge is saying they are violating open records law.

Violating the records law by not sharing information on the vote tally and refusing to allow observors or external inspection. And they still are not. The deadline was 9 NOV 2018, 1900hrs EST. They are in contempt.

originally posted by: timequake

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: timequake

Strange that you only mention three states. What about Georgia, where the person who is ahead was in charge of the election and a whole lot of disturbing evidence has emerged about that election? Why not mention that I wonder? Oh well, moving on...

Florida (one...), Arizona (two...), Georgia (three....) Yay!!! And in that state, no sir, the person in charge in GA does not count the ballots, the supervisor of elections does. All he would do (had he not resigned from that role to dispel partiality) is certify the votes.

Problem with your explanation: they weren't yet elected by a narrow margin as the vote count had not completed, because the election boards had not returned official counts. The Florida official election count is not yet done. Projections by media outlets aren't final decisions on elections.



Is it the 20th yet? Then the counts are not official. They aren't yet elected.
They aren't 'post deadline votes.'

Your understanding and that of those in this thread is flawed.

That is the deadline for counting them, not for magically discovering new ones. That deadline was 30 minutes after the polls closed.

Apologies, that wasn't clear.

Ballots are due for... what 30 minutes after the polls close?

That sounds in conflict with this:
Election Day Voting

The polls are open on Election Day, from 7 a.m. until 7 p.m. Any voters waiting in line at 7:00 p.m. will have the opportunity to cast a ballot.

Its isn't. Those in line are accounted for. The closure rule is for votes coming in via mail or other provisional ballots.

Explain how those in line are accounted for BUT ALSO ballots must be done by 30 minutes after the polls close.

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven
Do you not want our troops to vote?

That's your big takeaway? LOL

That's your best attempt to brush away the crimes currently taking place?

I hope CTR gets a refund

You've completely brushed away the actual deadlines for ballots

What does a judge saying vote counters are breaking the law, ordering them to stop breaking it, and they still refuse have to do with ballot deadlines. Nothing. Are you a bot? Or is English not your first language? Both?

The judge is saying they are violating open records law.

Violating the records law by not sharing information on the vote tally and refusing to allow observors or external inspection. And they still are not. The deadline was 9 NOV 2018, 1900hrs EST. They are in contempt.

Likely so, but that's a different matter than committing electoral fraud.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical

The deadline to request that a vote-by-mail ballot be mailed is no later than 5 p.m. on the 6th day before the election. However, the ballot must still be received by the Supervisor of Elections no later than 7 p.m. on Election Day if the voted ballot is to count. Exceptions exist for overseas military and civilian voters.

Vote-by-Mail - Florida Division of Elections

And

A voted vote-by-mail ballot must be returned by mail, in person or through someone else on behalf of the voter so that it is received no later than 7 p.m. in the county in which the voter is registered. An overseas voter has the option to also return by fax his or her voted ballot and signed Voter’s Certificate. If the overseas voter faxes back the ballot and certificate, it must be faxed directly to the fax number provided by the Supervisor of Elections or to a fax number provided by Federal Voting Assistance Program of the Department of Defense.

Military and Overseas Citizens - Florida Division of Elections

Seems pretty clear cut to me.

You missed this part about overseas ballots:

A 10-day extension exists for overseas voters. The overseas voter’s vote-by-mail ballot must be postmarked or dated by Election Day and received within 10 days of the election in order to be counted, provided the ballot is otherwise proper. This 10-day extension only applies in presidential preference primary elections, general elections, and special elections and special primary elections (by operation of section 100.191, F.S.)

November 6th + 10 days is November 16th, as cited previously.

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven
Do you not want our troops to vote?

That's your big takeaway? LOL

That's your best attempt to brush away the crimes currently taking place?

I hope CTR gets a refund

You've completely brushed away the actual deadlines for ballots

What does a judge saying vote counters are breaking the law, ordering them to stop breaking it, and they still refuse have to do with ballot deadlines. Nothing. Are you a bot? Or is English not your first language? Both?

The judge is saying they are violating open records law.

Violating the records law by not sharing information on the vote tally and refusing to allow observors or external inspection. And they still are not. The deadline was 9 NOV 2018, 1900hrs EST. They are in contempt.

Likely so, but that's a different matter than committing electoral fraud.

You've provided no other remotely plausible scenario in which a person would willingly place themselves in contempt and in knowing violation of election laws regarding observers, inspection, and sharing of information used to prevent ballot-box stuffing.
No one can.
There isn't one.

a reply to: Greven

I'm not feeling beat right now to keep the dance going, but do me/yourself a favor. Question that intellectual superiority you were secretly bolstering about, if it is soo highly visible to the "untrained" observer, does it truly exist? You might actually understand what's been happening in recent years.

originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: Greven

I'm not feeling beat right now to keep the dance going, but do me/yourself a favor. Question that intellectual superiority you were secretly bolstering about, if it is soo highly visible to the "untrained" observer, does it truly exist? You might actually understand what's been happening in recent years.

What are you talking about?

Sure seems like a lot of people 'knowing' what I think in this thread and then writing it down as if it's true.

a reply to: Greven

Explain how those in line are accounted for BUT ALSO ballots must be done by 30 minutes after the polls close.

Just have to keep holding your hand don't I...? The rule is to prevent stuffing the ballot box from votes being found after-the-fact. The people in line being in line to vote do not fall under this rule because you can physically see them and account where those votes came from. In other words, those rules are specific (like I already stated earlier) to mail in votes and certain provisional ballots.


Are we clear or do I have to point it out again?

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven
Do you not want our troops to vote?

That's your big takeaway? LOL

That's your best attempt to brush away the crimes currently taking place?

I hope CTR gets a refund

You've completely brushed away the actual deadlines for ballots

What does a judge saying vote counters are breaking the law, ordering them to stop breaking it, and they still refuse have to do with ballot deadlines. Nothing. Are you a bot? Or is English not your first language? Both?

The judge is saying they are violating open records law.

Violating the records law by not sharing information on the vote tally and refusing to allow observors or external inspection. And they still are not. The deadline was 9 NOV 2018, 1900hrs EST. They are in contempt.

Likely so, but that's a different matter than committing electoral fraud.

You've provided no other remotely plausible scenario in which a person would willingly place themselves in contempt and in knowing violation of election laws regarding observers, inspection, and sharing of information used to prevent ballot-box stuffing.
No one can.
There isn't one.

You're trying to assign motive and plausibility to a crime that as of yet there is no allegation for.

The Latest: Palm Beach, Broward judges side with Scott

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement says no elections fraud allegations have been made, and there isn’t an active investigation.

It’s always nice to hear from people who have absolutely zero knowledge how the system works chime in with ignorant op’s. Here is an idea. Get off your lazy buttt, and sign up to be a poll worker. Then you will have an answer to your ignorant questions. Of course I already know the reality. It’s a lot easier to sit in your parents basement and believe in crazy conspiracy theories than go live in reality. a reply to: DigginFoTroof

originally posted by: timequake
a reply to: Greven

Explain how those in line are accounted for BUT ALSO ballots must be done by 30 minutes after the polls close.

Just have to keep holding your hand don't I...? The rule is to prevent stuffing the ballot box from votes being found after-the-fact. The people in line being in line to vote do not fall under this rule because you can physically see them and account where those votes came from. In other words, those rules are specific (like I already stated earlier) to mail in votes and certain provisional ballots.


Are we clear or do I have to point it out again?

I don't suppose you have a link to those rules you keep citing.

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven
Do you not want our troops to vote?

That's your big takeaway? LOL

That's your best attempt to brush away the crimes currently taking place?

I hope CTR gets a refund

You've completely brushed away the actual deadlines for ballots

What does a judge saying vote counters are breaking the law, ordering them to stop breaking it, and they still refuse have to do with ballot deadlines. Nothing. Are you a bot? Or is English not your first language? Both?

The judge is saying they are violating open records law.

Violating the records law by not sharing information on the vote tally and refusing to allow observors or external inspection. And they still are not. The deadline was 9 NOV 2018, 1900hrs EST. They are in contempt.

Likely so, but that's a different matter than committing electoral fraud.

You've provided no other remotely plausible scenario in which a person would willingly place themselves in contempt and in knowing violation of election laws regarding observers, inspection, and sharing of information used to prevent ballot-box stuffing.
No one can.
There isn't one.

You're trying to assign motive and plausibility to a crime that as of yet there is no allegation for.

No. The crime took place. I've posted the video twice. The laws were clearly broken. They are clearly in contempt. The judge ruled they were in violation. What's the alternative motive for placing themselves in contempt and in knowing violation of election laws regarding observers, inspection, and sharing of information used to prevent ballot-box stuffing?

a reply to: Greven

Voter Fraud

A person who commits or attempts to commit any fraud in connection with voting, votes a fraudulent ballot, or votes more than once in an election can be convicted of a felony of the third degree and fined up to $5,000 and/or imprisoned for up to 5 years.

www.browardsoe.org...

From the horses mouth

Also:

Voter fraud means intentional misrepresentation, trickery, deceit, or deception, arising out of or in connection with voter registration or voting, and the prescribed offenses set forth in Chapter 104 - Florida Statutes.

a reply to: Greven

Question, how can it be verified that the ballots were received on time?

The pace of counting is a particular concern in Broward County. The county elections supervisor, Brenda Snipes, told reporters on Thursday that she could not say how many votes were left to count, only that all mailed-in ballots had been taken out of their envelopes.

Well After Election Day, Florida and Georgia Voters Still Wonder Who Won - NYT

If the postmark is to be used to determine whether or not a mail in ballot is eligible, and the ballots have been removed from said envelopes, what method of verification is used?