Does this "continued vote counting" in some states reek of voter fraud or what?!

originally posted by: Aallanon
a reply to: Greven

You are not worthy of a discussion. Child

Gez, people really don't like when I spoil their party by asking for evidence of claims.

a reply to: Greven

That's not the subject of the discussion. Deflector screens are up captain.

originally posted by: timequake

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: DigginFoTroof


As for voter fraud - what voter fraud? It's been investigated and it remains extremely rare. Not even the investigative team put in place by the Orange Bloviator could find anything meaningful, much to his petulant anger.

Well that isn't true at all. The President attempted to create a commission to investigate potential voter fraud by state, however every single state with a Dem governor refused to comply claiming privacy concerns even though the ballots would not be made public. They had to end the overall commission in the end for lack of cooperation and feet dragging by the democratic party. It does leave one scratching one's head as to why democrats insist that fraud is so rare, and yet scream bloody murder whenever there is something presented to address potential voter fraud... like voter ID's for instance.

Quoted for TRUTH and to make sure it was read.

Who am I kidding, those that need to read it won't.

a reply to: Greven

you are deliberately misstating and ignoring the facts.

Who wants to debate with someone who doesn't play fair?

Not me.

Hey...anyone remember when Broward election supervisor, Brenda Snipes:

Broward elections supervisor illegally destroyed ballots in Wasserman Schultz race, judge rules

...which were ALSO evidence in a court case;

The ballots were the subject of a pending lawsuit, so it would take a court order from the judge in the case to allow their destruction.

www.sun-sentinel.com...

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Greven

BREAKING: Judge finds Broward County violated FL Constitution, orders elected officials to comply by 7pm

twitchy.com...

And this proves....?

That they are in violation of the law.


You are defining insanity.

From that source, a judge ruled: "there is a violation of the Florida Constitution and public records act."

You've claimed that they are stealing the election ('Cheating... to "win" elections'). Please explain what you think the overlap is.

What plausible alternative motive does she have to continue to deny inspectors in violation of the law and court order?

If you, Greven, were in charge, and a judge issues an order "Greven shall conform to the law immediately and share his information and allow inspection that the law provides for", under what circumstances would you decide to keep willfully refusing to share information or open the door to observers and inspectors? Under what circumstances would you choose to keep breaking the law and place yourself in contempt?

Motive for a crime that, so far, there isn't an official allegation of it existing?
Florid a Governor Rick Scott claims election fraud, orders law enforcement investigation

Right now, FDLE is working with DOS and will investigate any allegations of criminal activity or fraud. This morning FDLE communicated with Department of State and they indicated at this time, they had no allegations of fraud. FDLE has offered its assistance in the event any criminal allegations are identified and will continue to remain in contact with the Department of State.

Florida laws give the Governor the ability to direct FDLE to conduct an investigation in writing to the executive director. We do not have anything in writing at this time.

Rather hypothetical. Do you have the wording of the court order?

The judge confirmed she is violating the statute and ordered her to conform to the law. You can watch the hearing online. There's nothing hypothetical to it.
Why would anyone continue to ignore the law (and judge) afterward?
What would make you choose to continue to deny access? Name circumstances a reasonable person, say you, would just give the law and the judge the finger instead of allowing inspection.

Okay, so you have a link to the words that say (other than substituting my handle) the same?

What do you make of the FDLE saying there are no allegations of fraud?

originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Annee

No.

Not like that would ever happen either. Democrats have a lock on this.


Enjoy it, you're "party" gets to create the votes, gets to count the votes, gets to name the "winner". It appeases the masses into giving them the illusion that they get to participate in the voting process.

I know what side of the fence you are on.

If it was the GOP being accused, your "story" would be different.

If the GOP refused to allow observation and inspection of the count and refused to provide even a total number of ballots they hold, I would hope everyone would think that was outrageous.

If you, Annee, were in charge in Broward, why would you refuse to allow inspection according to the law? If a judge sent an order personally naming you, Annee, "you must obey this law and allow inspection and provide total numbers", what would make you ignore it? Under what circumstances would you personally say, "# the law and that judge, I'm not allowing observers or inspection. I'd rather be held in contempt and break the law" ?

Certainly not just for fun, I'd hope.

The Florida Republican Party had a representative present when looking and recording all ballots. There is zero truth to this accusation. provide some and I will shut up.

Ballots can also be transported by private vehicles as long as certain rules are met. The video everyone is citing does not show those procedures were not followed.

Sure. Go watch the judge cite the same law I provided you with earlier. Watch her state Snipes violated the law(s). Watch her order Snipes to allow inspection as provided for under that law along with the information on total ballots she holds by 1900 hrs EST. And see that Snipes has still not complied and ask yourself why.

These are facts. I watched it. So can you. You're the only one disputing them for some reason. You should watch instead of just making up # like you did all over the other thread.

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Greven

It means you don't understand. So stop telling people they are wrong just because you don't understand.

Ask more than speak. Learn.

What's the link between open records laws being violated and electoral fraud to steal an election for Democrats against Republicans?

I can't make that leap of faith. I don't see the logic.

Because you refuse to. You know there is no reason for her to continue to break the law outside of that. You just can't say it.
It's fine. Noone else can come up with a scenario outside of voter fraud wherein one chooses to deny inspectors and place themselves in contempt either.

The thought never entered my mind, so you've failed as a psychic.

There is no logic to link 'someone violated open records law' to 'someone is committing electoral fraud.'

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Greven

That's not the subject of the discussion. Deflector screens are up captain.

You're complaining about oversight, and saying a county is not allowing it.

Scott is the governor of Florida, right now. I guess he is a very bad one?

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Hey...anyone remember when Broward election supervisor, Brenda Snipes:

Broward elections supervisor illegally destroyed ballots in Wasserman Schultz race, judge rules

...which were ALSO evidence in a court case;

The ballots were the subject of a pending lawsuit, so it would take a court order from the judge in the case to allow their destruction.

www.sun-sentinel.com...

She held them in storage for 12 months.

Yes, it was a mistake -- cuz it should have been 22 months.

They're still available digitally.

a reply to: RadioRobert

What would make you choose to continue to deny access? Name circumstances a reasonable person, say you, would just give the law and the judge the finger instead of allowing inspection.

You have asked this many times, of many different people, in different threads.

Not ONE person has answered.

Very telling. There is NO legit reason for her to ignore the law and court orders.

There are only nefarious reasons for Snipe to do so

originally posted by: Aallanon
a reply to: Greven

you are deliberately misstating and ignoring the facts.

Who wants to debate with someone who doesn't play fair?

Not me.

Yes, namecalling when asked to provide evidence is you wanting to debate. Sure.

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: IAMTAT

I would like to know who made you boss?

I'm the current holder of the sacred Golden Spatula.

...still not seeing any sammies. Tick Tock!

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Hey...anyone remember when Broward election supervisor, Brenda Snipes:

Broward elections supervisor illegally destroyed ballots in Wasserman Schultz race, judge rules

...which were ALSO evidence in a court case;

The ballots were the subject of a pending lawsuit, so it would take a court order from the judge in the case to allow their destruction.

www.sun-sentinel.com...

She held them in storage for 12 months.

Yes, it was a mistake -- cuz it should have been 22 months.

They're still available digitally.

They were evidence in a pending court case.
Destruction of evidence...illegal...correct?

Regardless, I think some scholars have even presented evidence that as far back as Lyndon Johnson elections were being rigged.
a reply to: DBCowboy

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Hey...anyone remember when Broward election supervisor, Brenda Snipes:

Broward elections supervisor illegally destroyed ballots in Wasserman Schultz race, judge rules

...which were ALSO evidence in a court case;

The ballots were the subject of a pending lawsuit, so it would take a court order from the judge in the case to allow their destruction.

www.sun-sentinel.com...

She should have been removed then. How did she get office in the first place?

Who is Brenda Snipes, the Broward County supervisor of elections?

Republican Gov. Jeb Bush asked Snipes to serve as Supervisor of Elections in Broward County – Florida's second-most populous county – nearly 15 years ago.

Broward County has about 1.15 million voters, second only to Miami-Dade’s at about 1.4 million.

Snipes was formally appointed on Nov. 20, 2003, to replace former County Supervisor Miriam Oliphant, who was escorted out of her office and removed from her job.

CBS Miami reported while Oliphant was in office, uncounted votes were found in a cabinet drawer, and the department went a million dollars over budget.

Snipes was reelected in 2004, 2008, 2012 and 2016.

She has lived in Broward County since 1964.

Curious that a Republican appointed her.

All these pages and noone can answer the question of why Snipes continues to break the law and place herself in contempt of court...
Noone can figure out why she would refuse legal access to inspectors and observers.


It's just a big mystery.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

LBJ's was definitely stolen.

a reply to: Greven

My response is what will YOU believe? What news sources will YOU listen to?
How can someone get real evidence?

originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: RadioRobert

What would make you choose to continue to deny access? Name circumstances a reasonable person, say you, would just give the law and the judge the finger instead of allowing inspection.

You have asked this many times, of many different people, in different threads.

Not ONE person has answered.

Very telling. There is NO legit reason for her to ignore the law and court orders.

There are only nefarious reasons for Snipe to do so

I'll keep asking because they know. But it makes it clear when you break if down that way.